Bilateral or Unilateral Mastectomy? Implant risks?

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  • ailenroc
    ailenroc Member Posts: 308
    edited July 2010

    Before you are considering any surgery on your breast, lumpectomy, bi or unilateral mastectomy ... and are reviewing my lists above of pros and cons, research links, etc. consider this:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/health/20cancer.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&sq=earliest steps to find breast cancer are prone to error&st=cse&scp=1

    http://www.forbes.com/2010/07/27/breast-cancer-detection-technology-breakthroughs-nanotechnology.html?boxes=financechannelmostemailed

     The articles state some disturbing facts about the detection--and misdiagnosis--of an early form of breast cancer called ductal carcinoma in situ (DCIS). According to the piece, a study by the breast cancer survivors' organization, Susan G. Komen for the Cure, estimated that in 90,000 cases, women who receive a diagnosis of DCIS either did not have the disease or their pathologist made an error that resulted in incorrect treatment. Worst of all, prominent experts went on the record in characterizing the diagnosis of certain breast lesions as a "flip of a coin."

     Please read the whole articles for more information.

    My personal advice on the matter is, especially if your diagnosis is DCIS or DCIS with possible microinvasion, to get a second opinion on your biopsy. Have your slides send to a reputable clinic / research hospital that has a dedicated breast cancer pathologist and see if they agree with the original biopsy. It is amazing how many differences in opinion there are (in my case too, although not for the better) and you do want to be darn sure about your diagnosis before taking drastic steps.

    Never rush into surgery. An acquaintance of mine (Ginny) recently did. After being diagnosed with DCIS on a Thursday, her surgeon promised her 'to take care of this right away' and scheduled her for a lumpectomy the following Tuesday. As it turned out in her case, the lumpectomy was not sufficient because, contrary to the original pathologist's opinion she had IDC not DCIS and she had multifocal disease not an isolated lesion. 3 months later, after radiation treatments had already begun, she had a mastectomy. It turned out that her surgeon had only done the surgery so immediately because she was going on a 3-week vacation and wanted to clear her schedule ahead of the vacation, not because Ginny's medical condition required it - although Ginny was under the impression that she was rushed into surgery because she had an aggressive tumor that required 'immediate' surgery. That was not the case, and getting a clearer understanding of her situation could have saved her a lot of stress and an unnecessary second surgery.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited July 2010

    Last week I was seriously considering bilateral but my surgeon talked me out of it. He said unless my MRI showed something he didn't support removing healthy tissue. My initial feeling is if they couldn't find this one till it was 6cm x 4cm (I'm an A cup) because of my dense tissue how the hell are they going to find anything in the other one if BC should occur there.

     Well my MRI did show 4 suspicous spots on the other breast. Chances are these are not cancer but they could be precancerous so biopsies would be needed. I also have very dense cystic breasts.

    Now my surgeon feels I should do the bilateral because there is no way the other breast can be monitored with a mammogram. MRIs tend to show lots of false positives. This could be lots of biopsies in my future.  So I'm back to doing the bilateral.

     Actually I feel better about this. No more wondering if the other breast has BC hiding. No more mammograms. Matching breasts and maybe even no more bra! Yes I am going for a pair of A cups again.

    I hope I find out about my surgery date next week when I meet with the surgeon again.

    So far I plan for immediate reconstruction with implant expanders. After chemo (don't know about radiation) they will continue the reconstruction process with gummy silicon.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited August 2010

    Few more things I want to add after speaking with 2 plastic surgeons:

    INFECTIONS:That will always be a risk with surgery of any kind. I wouldn't let this stop me. Just go to a good surgeon and listen to what they say to prevent this.

    CAPSULAR CONTRACTURE after first implant (29%) that needs re-surgery: Again this is minor surgeory. Talk to your plastic surgeon to explain this. This isn't going to stop me.

    REVISION every 10 years: All this means is the implant lasts about 10 years. They just replace it. Again this is not major surgeory. Talk to your plastic surgeon about this. This isn't going to stop me.

     implants can LEAK or BLEED: This is why they use the "gummy" silicone implant. The "gummy" has a much better record that the old kind of silicone. They also put the implant behind the muscle which reduces rupture. I was also told the casing of the implant is much better (thicker) than they used to be. The research also shows that even if it does there doesn't seem to be and side effects or sickness associated with it. That's why the FDA put silicone implants back on the market. Again talk to your plastic surgeon about this. Some do monitor the implants with MRI after the 1st year and 3rd year and every 2 years after that as the FDA recommends.

    I think saline has more chance of rupture. Saline really isn't an option for me because I'm looking to stay the same size… small boobs.

    Much of this info is at least 4 years old. Take that into consideration when you read. Also consider that not all silicone implants are the gummy ones : http://www.fda.gov/MedicalDevices/ProductsandMedicalProcedures/ImplantsandProsthetics/BreastImplants/default.htm

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited August 2010

    ailenroc, good information!  And a very important warning about getting a 2nd opinion about the pathology before heading into surgery, particularly for women diagnosed with DCIS.

    lago, you mention some valid concerns and I agree that it's important that anyone heading into implant reconstruction understand these concerns, but as you say, for most women these are not reasons to not proceed with the reconstruction.  Since this is an educational thread, continuing the list that you've started, here are some other things to be aware of before starting implant reconstruction: 

    IMPLANT RUPTURE (highly cohesive gel implants, i.e. silicone gummies; information is from Allergan):  For primary reconstruction patients in the MRI cohort, the rupture rate was 7.2% through 5 years. For revision-reconstruction patients in the MRI cohort, the rupture rate was 9.5% through 5 years. This means that through 5 years, approximately 7 of every 100 primary reconstruction women and 10 out of 100 revision-reconstruction had at least one ruptured breast implant...Across all patients in the Pivotal Study, all ruptures were intracapsular. There were no cases of migrated gel.

    IMPLANT RUPTURE (cohesive gel implants, i.e. silicone but not gummies; information is from Allergan): For primary reconstruction patients in the MRI cohort, the rupture rate was 11.4% through 7 years. For revision-reconstruction patients in the MRI cohort, the rupture rate was 0% through 7 years. This means that through 7 years, approximately 11 of every 100 primary reconstruction women had at least one ruptured breast implant. There were no revision reconstruction patients with a ruptured breast implant... Across all patients in the Core Study, all ruptures were intracapsular with 1 case of extracapsular gel (one rupture progressed to extracapsular gel following exploratory surgery to confirm the rupture and then implant replacement was delayed). There were no cases of migrated gel.

    UNSATISFACTORY RESULTS (either type of cohesive implant):  Unsatisfactory results such as wrinkling, asymmetry, implant displacement (shifting), incorrect size, unanticipated shape, implant palpability, scar deformity, and/or hypertrophic scarring, may occur. Some of these results may cause discomfort.

    PAIN (either type of cohesive implant):  Pain of varying intensity and length of time may occur and persist following breast implant surgery. In addition, improper size, placement, surgical technique, or capsular contracture may result in pain.

    ADDITIONAL SURGERIES (highly cohesive gel implants, i.e. silicone gummies; information is from Allergan):  In Allergan's Pivotal Study, the reoperation rate for Highly Cohesive Shaped Implants was 39% for primary reconstruction patients and 29% for revision reconstruction patients during the first 5 years after receiving the implants.... For women receiving primary reconstruction implants, the three most common reasons for reoperation were scarring, capsular contracture, and implant malposition.

    ADDITIONAL SURGERIES (cohesive gel implants, i.e. silicone but not gummies; information is from Allergan): In Allergan's Core Study, the reoperation rate was 53% for primary reconstruction patients and 40% for revision-reconstruction patients, which means that 53 out of every 100 women who received Cohesive Round Implants for primary reconstruction and 40 out of every 100 women who received Cohesive Round Implants for revision-reconstruction had a reoperation during the first 7 years after receiving the implants....For women receiving primary reconstruction implants, the three most common reasons for reoperation were implant malposition, asymmetry, and capsular contracture.

    OVERALL COMPLICATION RATE (highly cohesive gel implants, i.e. silicone gummies; information is from Allergan):  The results indicate that the risk of at least one occurrence of any complication (including reoperation) at some point through 5 years after implant surgery is 47% for primary reconstruction patients and 51% for revision-reconstruction patients... The most common complication primary reconstruction patients experienced within the first 5 years of implantation was reoperation (39% or approximately 39 patients out of 100). The most common complication revision reconstruction patients experienced was also reoperation (29%).

    OVERALL COMPLICATION RATE (cohesive gel implants, i.e. silicone but not gummies; information is from Allergan):  Allergan's results indicate that the risk of at least one occurrence of any complication (including reoperation) at some point through 7 years after implant surgery is 70% for primary reconstruction patients and 73% for revision-reconstruction patients.... The most common complications experienced within the first 7 years of implantation for primary reconstruction patients were reoperation (53% or approximately 53 patients out of 100) and implant removal with replacement (24% or approximately 24 patients out of 100). The most common complications experienced within the first 7 years of implantation for revision-reconstruction patients were reoperation (40%), asymmetry (13.3%), and implant malposition (13.3%).

    Here's the information source for this data: http://www.allergan.com/assets/pdf/11174_Recon_Labeling_7308.pdf  

    All this information is not to scare anyone away from having implant reconstruction!  However I think that anyone going into this procedure should be aware of these risks, and of the fact that about half of the women who have implant reconstruction do require revision surgery.  Additionally, there are other threads on this board that talk about post reconstruction pain.  Many women who have reconstruction have some level of discomfort at one time or another although usually this isn't severe or problematic, just annoying. Personally, I'm 4 years out since my replacement surgery and when I do something strenuous (I did some heavy lifting this morning), my chest muscle over my implant aches. It's uncomfortable but something I can live with.  However unfortunately for a few women, the pain can be on-going and severe. 

    None of these are reasons to not go ahead with implant reconstruction - in the end, most women are satisfied with the results and most women are comfortable (most of the time) with their implants.  But it's important that anyone starting off on this road be prepared for what lies ahead.  I hope that this helps in that regard. 

  • ailenroc
    ailenroc Member Posts: 308
    edited August 2010

    Beesie and lago: Thank you very much for taking the time to update the info regarding implant risks. What a comprehensive list it is!

    I hope that reviewing all the potential problems does not have the effect of scaring some women away from implant reconstruction or reconstruction altogether. That is not the intent and would be too bad.

    I remember reviewing 2 yrs ago such laundry lists of risks and it sure made me doubtful about whether I wanted to do a recon and even more scared of the mx. And if anyone had told me back then that I would fall into the 70% who have a reoperation (right implant floated; pocket needed to be restitched and implant exchanged), I might not have done a recon at all - I hate surgeries. BUT that would have been a mistake!

    I enjoy having the looks of breasts. While not perfect (but the originals weren't either) they give me a sense of 'wholeness'. I look great in a bathing suit, and like 'nothing ever happened' in clothes. My hubby appreciates them too. For me, it would have been far more disturbing in the long run (despite all the surgery hassle) to be breastless that early in my life (or ever). Despite the scars (one of them hypertrophic), I appreciate that I have a 'whole' body. I have sometimes wondered what it would have been like if I had stayed flat (which I was for about 6 months, and I am certain that I wouldn't have preferred that.

    BTW: for those facing the big surgeries and decision making: I just realized that I forgot my anniversaries of both D-Day (diagnosis) and mastectomies, 5/30 (or was it the 28th?) and 7/30 respectively. No celebration, day of mourning, depression, deep reflection, not even a toast - I simply forgot. Life goes on.

  • kingston123
    kingston123 Member Posts: 1
    edited November 2010

    you chose a good topic for discation.thanks for this post.it's helpful for lot of peoples.

     Alina's List

  • grammajan627
    grammajan627 Member Posts: 117
    edited November 2010

    I've been following this discussion and want to thank everyone for their wonderful posts and support of each other. I had bilateral mastectomy Nov. 08 and said I wouldn't have reconstruction. My surgeon evidently did some 'skin saving' even though I asked her not to. So after almost two years of looking at myself in the mirror, I decided (at age 60) to have expanders/implants. My story is similar to many of yours. My mastectomy/surgery set me back six weeks (off work) with continued sharp pain around my sternum. The 4 drains were a pain, but don't remember those as painful. It took more than nine months to have the deep pains and the sternum pain subside.

    My surgery for expanders was Oct. 7 - the drains were definatley the worst part - such a relief to have those removed! I also feel like I have an iron bra on and feel the expanders mostly when I lean over. I wear a soft cami under my work clothes with no tension on the chest. I have my first fill Nov. 8 - they will start slow with 60 ccs, but stated they would like to do 120 ccs every two weeks after that. Is that normal? What is normal?

  • ailenroc
    ailenroc Member Posts: 308
    edited December 2010

    kingston123: Thank you so much for letting me know that this thread has been helpful. Because I searched after my diagnosis so desperately for information - QUICK & COMPREHENSIVE INFORMATION - I tried to make it an educational thread and am grateful that others, like Beesie and Iago helped to make it just that. And I am glad that it is still helpful for those freshly diagnosed and confused.

     Grammajan: sorry for responding only now - I don't go here every day anymore - life goes on, but I still do care. Perhaps you already had your exchange but if not keep taking charge of your health, your expansion, and all other procedures. Normal is what normal feels to you. Never be shy to tell your surgeons / doctors what you need or what is uncomfortable. It is your body.

  • iamaster
    iamaster Member Posts: 1
    edited January 2011

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  • KellyMaryland
    KellyMaryland Member Posts: 350
    edited January 2011

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  • beatrixx
    beatrixx Member Posts: 1
    edited February 2011

    You are really doing a great job by sharing such threads. Such type of issues must be placed to let the people know more and more. Keep it up..

    columbia star

  • shylohjacobs
    shylohjacobs Member Posts: 1
    edited March 2011
    Thank you for sharing your story and I admire your courage. My gene pool is very poor things from breast cancer to canavan disease. My mother had dual implants over 30 years ago and has had no problems. I would say choose a doctor and talk to some of their patients. In my mind, all of those risks and troubles are up to the doctor who does them. Goodluck!
  • ailenroc
    ailenroc Member Posts: 308
    edited September 2015

    Wow! It is 7 years after my original post above. Hard to believe. That makes me a 7-year survivor. I hadn’t thought about it. It all seems not that long ago. As far as I know, I don’t have any bc recurrence. However, I’ve since then collected squamous cell carcinoma, a melanoma - on my nose no less - and an autoimmune disease that the docs are struggling to diagnose clearly. Frustrating and sad. I was so glad to have put the bc behind me, but in one way or another 2008 marked a turning point in my life. Health problems ever since with some good periods in between, but always preoccupied with the next thing.

    I just realized that my question in my post topic was whether there are implant risk. That reminds me to look at implants now again as a possible source for the autoimmune disease I developed since then.

    I never regretted the decision to have a bilateral mastectomy; however, I am wondering now if the implants have anything to do with my current health problems and I would caution anyone to educate herself about the current research on the topic. I will have to do the same.

  • CarolinaAmy
    CarolinaAmy Member Posts: 281
    edited September 2015

    ailenroc, I'm just beginning to make my way through this post, but already I have found it incredibly helpful in navigating these overwhelming choices. Thank you so much for sharing your honest experiences and the entire journey; it's a huge help to hear someone else's thoughts as she walks through this. These are exactly the debates I'm having in my head and needed to hear from someone farther into the journey than I am. Thank you so much.

    *****

    I've now read through the entire thing and can't tell you how grateful I am for the information you provided in here. As you said, it's really hard to find quick, comprehensive info ANYWHERE on these issues! You raised several points, even five years ago, that I've wondered about myself, such as the older surgeons supporting prophylactic mx not so much due to 'old school' mentality but from experience of seeing young women coming back again later for a mastectomy after a recurrence or additional primary cancer.

    I'm terribly sorry to hear that you're having autoimmune issues now, though. It seems like you should get a pass from all other health issues after walking through BC, doesn't it? Please keep us posted on that, as I also wonder what you'll find out regarding any possible role the implants may have played. I do wish you all the very, very best.

  • ailenroc
    ailenroc Member Posts: 308
    edited October 2015

    Amy,

    I’m happy that the info I compiled here is helpful to you. Yes, it seems the questions that we have and the problems we run into have not much changed in the years since I put all this info together. One needs all the help one can get with. Don’t be shy to keep asking for help.

    Regarding my autoimmune disease, I am seriously beginning to wonder if that is due to my silicone implants. The highly contradictory research is not helping so far. Decades of discussion about a link to autoimmune disorders and innumerable individual accounts, many court cases in favor of the patients, and many studies in support but no official ‘proof’. It doesn’t help that many of the studies I am reviewing were financed with grants from the big implant makers Mentor, Allergan, etc.

    I’m only at the beginning of my research and decision making but will report back once I know more.

    Anyone who can contribute to my initial question from 7 years ago about “implant risks” is encouraged to contribute.

    All the best to you Amy. You will get through this. I keep with Winston Churchill’s quote:

    If you are going through hell, keep going.

  • CarolinaAmy
    CarolinaAmy Member Posts: 281
    edited October 2015

    Thank you so much, allenroc.

    Hug

    And I am praying right now that there is resolution to your autoimmune issues as well as answers for whether they're related. The uncertainty is often worse than bad news. :(

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