Newly diagnosed, send help!
Early in October, I was diagnosed with 'high grade ductal carcinama in situ with comedonecrosis, calcifications and lobular cancerization.' The calcifications span at least 45-50 mm and the main grouping measures 11 mm.
This whole thing has been a like a dark comedy. Two days after I had the followup mammogram, we accepted an offer on our house and plan to move to another state. The biopsy results came in while I was in the other state looking for a new house. Because of that, and since that time, communication has been lousy. I only found out the diagnosis after getting copies of my medical records.
To be clear, my health care professionals are not to blame. They were left with the impression that the move was imminent and I would continue with the MRI and surgery in my new location. The problem was that I never actually received the exact diagnosis, only that I needed to schedule the MRI asap. That left me thinking that the diagnosis was still in question and more testing was needed.
Now that I've read the pathology report and am clear on what I'm dealing with, I wonder how urgent this situation is. My move to the other state has been delayed by 30 days. I have no idea how soon this treatment needs to begin. Do I have some time? Can I wait until I move?
I do have a call in to my doctor so I can ask her these questions, but I haven't heard back from her yet and stumbled upon this wonderful place full of information. I'm hoping someone can give me some general guidelines on how soon this treatment needs to begin. I'm hoping to ease my mind a bit I guess.
One last thing. How do you go about finding a breast cancer doctor in a new location? Any suggestions?
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Annie, first, a dcis diagnosis, presumably based on a core/needle biopsy? gives you some time. Many women on this board took months to research treatment options, doctors and hospitals before proceeding.
your doctors should be able to advise whether to have the mri in your current location and they might have some advice on new doctors/hospitals. An mri will provide more information - whether there is more dcis than was already detected. you are fortunate that that is part of you diagnostic plan. Will your insurance change? that might be an issue for you to consider regarding whether or not to have the mri with your current providers. Also it would be helpful if you said where you were moving. There are like 77,000 women on this site who might help with recommendations!!!!
Take deep breath, you have alot going on, much of it happy and exciting! New home! New state! and some of it worrisome, bc, we are here to share it ALL with you.
Julie E
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If you schedule an appointment with a breast surgeon in your new community he/she will be able to order the tests you need and perhaps follow-up with your treatment (don't forget to have a second opinion on you biopsy slides!).. First things is to get in to see a breast surgeon now and that will get you started down the road to completion of your treatment.. I'm so sorry you are in this situation and I hope that everything turns out well for you.. It's difficult to keep the anxiety down but we do have some time when we are faced with a cancer decision - a true DCIS dx'ed gives you a great deal more latitude but this doesn't sound like a complete dx of DCIS - so really nothing can really fully be understood without a biopsy (breast MRI is usually first).
Now the other things that jumps into my head is your insuance, If you have left a job (or your SO has left a job) where your insurance was covered, make sure you get a COBRA coverage so that you will be covered in your new location. You must request a COBRA it isn't usually offered (except in some large companies) so that you don't fall off the grid with coverage - but you must make the request and fill out some forms at the old company that carried the coverage (the employer usually has a package or can order you one but I wouldn't wait too long).. Tests can be expensive and you are usually only covered for a month with your old employment insurance then you must fill in with new insurance or get into a COBRA situation. Your situation will be a bit costly so please let insurance be one of your first goals.. If you have private insurance (one you pay for on a monthly basis at home rather than connected to any group) you will be OK if you keep paying the premiums.. Best of luck, my thoughts are with you! If we can address anything else please don't hesitate to ask...
So my suggestion would be schedule a breast surgeon consult asap and make sure you have insurance in place. You will have more question when your new breast surgeon reviews your reports.. so take care and we'll TTYL!!!! Best, Deirdre
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Here are some good resources someone posted for me.
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http://cancercenters.cancer.gov/cancer_centers/map-cancer-centers.html
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http://www.castleconnolly.com/doctors/index.cfm?CFID=8789884&CFTOKEN=18730440
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The issue that someone raised about insurance is a very good one. Sadly enough, treatment for BC, if you are in the US, is costly. There will be thousands for surgery and even more if you go to radiation. Typically insurance covers most of it but if you are starting new insurance or dealing with cobra or whatever, you may not have the same coverage as you would if you stayed with your current plan. I think that is the first thing you need to sort out.
Otherwise, I concurr with the idea that --particularly if your diagnois is DCIS--you can take some time with finding a doctor and settling on treatment, even if your DCIS is grade 3 etc. I was diagnoised on November 16, 2009 and didn't go for surgery until February 1, 2010.
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Thank you all for the wonderful information. Fortunately, my insurance is not changing. Thank heavens for that. I had a stereotactic needle biopsy and I read the diagnosis from the pathology report. So I think the diagnosis is pretty straightforward, unless I'm missing something. Because of my move out of state, they wanted to do the biopsy asap even if it meant doing it before the MRI.
I am moving to Oklahoma City and the current plan is that I will find a new doctor and proceed with the MRI and a referral to a surgeon. It sounds like even with the 30 day delay of the move, I still have plenty of time to deal with this. Thanks again for helping me ease my mind. I feel fortunate to have found this community.
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Hi, I live in OKC and there are many good places to go for a breast MRI and surgery. I used Breast Imaging in Edmond, Ok for my breast MRI and had my surgery at Mercy Hospital the surgeon being Dr. Beverly Talbert. I am sure you will get other suggestions here, we all seem to think we have the best doctor and hospital. Kathleen
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Review the reports and get referrals for your new healthcare team. You need to have a team of doctors. An Oncologist, a Surgeon, and Radiologist. They need to be on the same page of your treatment. My first experience with Breast Cancer was wonderful and I was given royal treatment. It made the ordeal easier because I had good doctors in place that were concerned for me.
Three years later the Cancer returned. I then had the Bi-Lateral Mastectomy. I wish I had done that the first time around. The second surgery was rushed....no team of doctors and no real communication. I had to do all the registration and lab scheduling on my own. The surgery went fine as far as the scar healing.....When complications arose....everyone was in denial and no one had any answers for me.
So get a team of doctors, don't just go blindly into this. Take charge of your own care. You have alot of people cheering you on. Good luck.
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Please read my post. I've literally had DCIS for 17 years, nothing invasive ever happened. There is an excellent article online "Take the Carcinoma out of DCIS and Ease off Treatment." I'm not saying this is right for you. Every case is personal. I'm just not sure we need all this surgery and radiation.
Just to give you a little hope, I was rediagnosed with DCIS and we will see what happens. I have an appointment next Tues. with the surgeon. They put a marker in where the area is. If we can watch it, I will. By the way this is the second pathology opinion...I may get a third.
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Annie,
DCIS is not urgent, so yes, you do have time to move and then get this taken care of. But keep in mind too that all DCIS is not alike. With what may potentially be an area of up to 5cm of high grade DCIS with comedonecrosis, you have what possibly is a high risk case of DCIS. This type of diagnosis is a world apart from the type of DCIS diagnosis that articles such as the one Rianne referenced talk about. So while a 30 day delay shouldn't be a problem, you should take action within a reasonable period of time. Hopefully your final diagnosis will still be DCIS once all the surgery is done and all the affected breast tissue has been analysed, but you should be aware that in about 20% of cases where DCIS is found in a needle biopsy, something more serious is found once more breast tissue is examined. Usually the "something more serious" is only a microinvasion (which I had) but sometimes it's more. For those who have high grade DCIS and for those who have large areas of DCIS, the risk is greatest.
So get your move done, and then get to the new doctor for your surgery. Good luck with the move, the appointment with your new surgeon and with the surgery!
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Hi Annie in OC, I saw that you were in the middle of a move and wanted to tell you the same thing happened to me. I moved in the middle of my treatment from OK to TX everything turned out fine and I hope the same for you. My diagnosis was confirmed on my hubby's first week on a new job. My Dcis was diagnosed in April and I didn't finish my treatment until July so I don't think it is an emergency situation. The stress of moving and finding a new dr is the worst but take care of you. Good luck and enjoy OK its a gr8 state! My OKC Oncologist was Dr Toma and she is pretty good (she's blunt but she has awesome nurses). I wouldn't recommend my surgeon sorry. Let me know if you have any questions.
Karen
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Looks like I will be staying put here in California for awhile because the sale of my house fell through. So incredibly disappointing but I have been able to pursue treatment for my DCIS so that is a blessing.
I have read so many different opinions about DCIS and honestly, it is all very confusing. I met with my breast surgeon yesterday and I informed him that DCIS is not really cancer. He didn't buy that, lol. He agreed with you, Beesie, that DCIS comes in many different forms and there is no 'one treament fits all' and my DCIS needs to have surgery and most likely radiation.
So I will have an MRI on Saturday and I guess surgery will be scheduled soon. He advises a lumpectomy with radiation and a consult with the oncologist for tamoxifen. He says if the margins are good, no further surgery will be required. It sounds like a good plan to me and I'm happy that he didn't mention mastectomy.
I have large breasts and so I'm thinking/hoping that if the DCIS is contained, I won't have to think about mastectomy even if a large area needs to be removed.
Thanks again for all your help and great information. It really is a comfort to talk to women who have been through all this.
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Annie, I'm sorry that the sale of your house fell through. But it sounds like you have a good surgeon and a good plan.
Good luck with the MRI - hopefully there are no surprises. And good luck with the surgery. Let us know how everything goes.
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I saw my breast surgeon and plastic surgeon this morning. After talking to the breast surgeon last week I was left with the impression that a lumpectomy, radiation and tamoxifen would be the treatment.
I was quite shocked today to hear that a double mastectomy is recommended. Apparently, at 7 cm and right up against the nipple, the surgeon feels that a lumpectomy with clear margins would be challenging.
Okay, I'll buy that but taking the other breast seems like crazy talk to me. There doesn't appear to be any cancer in the other breast. Only some odd patterns that would need to be biopsied.
His justification is that I'm fairly young (50 years old) and my chances for getting cancer in the good breast are now increased because I've already had cancer once already. A double mastectomy would eliminate further breast cancer (I think that's what he said).
I feel like I need to get another opinion for something this drastic. It is drastic, right? Maybe I'm overreacting and this is the standard of care but I still think it sounds crazy.
I live in Mission Viejo, California. Anybody know a good breast surgeon for a second opinion?
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I would definitely get a second opinion or three. Dr. Sheryl Gabram, google her, was my surgeon for many years. Although she never performed surgery on me when many insisted I needed it. She's not in Mission Viejo, but she will analyze all the information. I called her after 10 years and she called me right back! Her website has the info.
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Whoa. Go get yourself a second opinion. I'm not surprised that a mastectomy was recommended for your breast with BC - the area of calcs is quite large - but there is absolutely no medical justification for a bilateral. My suggestion is that you seek the opinion of another surgeon but also an oncologist. An oncologist is the doctor you should be talking to when it comes to decisions about your other breast. An oncologist deals with future risk levels; that's not an area of expertise for a surgeon. Surgeon's operate on whatever is there now.
My situation wasn't much different than yours. I had over 7cm of high grade DCIS with comedonecrosis, along with a microinvasion of IDC. After my MRI showed my right breast to be full of "stuff" (all of which turned out to be DCIS) and showed my left breast to be clear, I made the decision to have a single mastectomy. A lumpectomy was simply not a feasible option. But there also was no reason to remove my healthy breast. My surgeon never suggested that I get a bilateral mastectomy. From what he's said to other patients I know, I believe that he would have agreed to a bilateral if I'd requested it, but he would have been very relucant and he would have tried to talk me out of it.
In talking to my oncologist, he explained that because I have been diagnosed with BC one time, my risk to get BC again, in my remaining breast, is about double the average for a woman my age. I was 49 when diagnosed. The average 49 year old has about an 11% lifetime risk of getting BC (to age 90); this meant that my risk was 22%. That's high but it also meant that there was a 78% chance that I wouldn't ever get BC again. For me, the 78% chance of not getting BC again is why I was never tempted to have a bilateral mastectomy. And as each year passes, my remaining lifetime risk goes down. This is a concept that isn't often well explained but I was lucky that my oncologist explained it to me. We all know that the risk of BC increases with age. That's true - our annual risk does go up. When you are young, your annual risk to get BC is less than 0.1% per year. By the time you are in your 70s, your annual risk is more than 0.3% per year. But as you age, because you have fewer years left until you turn 90, your lifetime risk goes down. So although my lifetime risk to get BC again was 22% when I was diagnosed at the age of 49 five years ago, today, having not been diagnosed over these past 5 years, my lifetime risk is down to 20%. Every year that I'm not diagnosed, my risk continues to drop.
For those who have a single mastectomy, one option to address the higher risk for the remaining breast is to take Tamoxifen. It's often recommended. I considered it but to my surprise, my oncologist actually recommended against it for me. He felt that my risk level, and the small benefit that I'd get from Tamoxifen, didn't warrant the risks and side effects of the drug. Although taking Tamoxifen for 5 years can reduce the risk of a new BC by about 45%, this risk reduction doesn't last forever. Studies have shown that the full benefit extends at least 10 years and possibly 15 years but after that, the benefit wears out. I had 41 years of risk to deal with; taking Tamoxifen would only help me for the first 15 of those 41 years. The total benefit in terms of risk reduction from Tamoxifen for me would have been about 4%, taking my lifetime risk from 22% to 18%. For many women, this amount of benefit warrants taking the drug but for me, it didn't.
The main point of all this (sorry it's so long!) is that my diagnosis was similar to yours and yet I had a single mastectomy - with no suggestion of a bilateral - and my oncologist didn't even recommend that I take Tamoxifen as a preventative for my remaining breast. So your surgeon, in recommending a bilateral mastectomy, is way on the other end of the caution/treatment scale.
Just some things to consider..... What it comes down to is that if you want to have a bilateral mastectomy, that's one thing. But I feel that your surgeon was completely out of line in recommending it.
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Thank you both for your feedback. I think a second opinion is definitely in order.
Beesie, did you have recontruction and did they have to do anything to the good breast to make a matching set?
I am so so so disappointed that I need a mastectomy. I do not want to have implants. I really don't. But I'm not sure I'm ready to go through the rest of my life with no breast. After talking to my plastic surgeon, there are no reconstruction options for me that don't involve implants. That means the good breast needs surgery if I want a matching set and the matching part is important to me, same size and shape. So either the good boob gets lopped off for no good reason that I can see, or it gets cut open, lifted up, and gets an implant. Neither option sounds good to me!
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Annie,
I'm sorry about your diagnosis. I live in near Rancho Santa Margarita. My breast surgeon is Lisa Curcio. She's located in Mission Viejo and operates at Mission Hospital and Saddleback. She is a breast cancer survivor herself. She was 37 when she was diagnosed, I believe. While I did have a bilateral mastectomy, she did not push that on me at all. Here's her website:
http://mybreastcarespecialist.com/
If you want to talk or have coffee, let me know. I was diagnosed almost a year ago, and I'm almost done with reconstruction. Good luck.
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Annie, yes I had implant reconstruction. My breasts were small and still quite perky so I really didn't need to have anything done on the 'good' side to get a good match. However I decided to make lemonade out of lemons and to go just a bit larger. The breast I was losing was the slightly larger one, plus I'd had two excisional biopsies over the years on the "good" side so if my PS went for a match with that breast, I would have ended up smaller than before. Instead I had a small implant added on the good side so that I'd end up a full "B". I have to admit that although I'm just a small bit larger, it really improves my shape and how I fit in clothes, and honestly, I love the look and size of the enhanced breast. Never thought I'd say that! The reconstructed breast is a reasonable match but an implant breast is really just a facsimile of a breast, it's not a breast. So I don't love that one. It's there and it does it's job - it fills my bra cup so that I don't need a prothesis.
You are right. There are no good options. You just have to decide which of the not-so-good options you can live with the best.
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I also have been just diagnosed and am scheduled to meet with a surgeon today and oncologist tomorrow. Don't know what to expect, and am just trying to get my head around the whole thing. What kind of questions should I be asking?
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