NYT article on DCIS

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  • AnnieBear
    AnnieBear Member Posts: 96
    edited August 2010

    Deirdre:  Thank you.  I will check into a second opinion. 

  • mikita5
    mikita5 Member Posts: 373
    edited August 2010

    I had DCIS in one breast. My oncologist tried to talk me out of a bilat mx. And my surgeon thought I needed more tests. I knew, yrs ago, if I ever got cancer, I'd have a bilat. I went thru with it and the pathology report came back with more DCIS in that breast that didn't show in any tests.

    I don't regret  my decision at all. 

  • Deirdre1
    Deirdre1 Member Posts: 1,461
    edited August 2010

    Mikita5:  It's good when your intuition is spot on!  I'm really glad there are some women who are happy with their decision afterwards, I expected to be one of them - it just wasn't to be..  Best, Deirdre

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited September 2010

    What does it mean if they don't put any of these notations in your diagnosis.  Mine does not have LCIS, DCIS, OR IDC listed.  I had one node positive out of 27 taken and a lump about 2.5 cm.  They gave me Chemo, Rads, after the lumpectomy to remove the lump and now I am on my second 5 years of Arimidex.  So after reading these posts I am confused as to what group I am really in now. Does anyone hear know?  None of my Oncs have ever discussed this with me.  I just know what I know because I found a letter that was written to my surgeon from my radiologist discribing my bc. However, none of these above terms were included.  They did not even mention what Stage or Grade I was in the letter.   Thanks for your help.

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited September 2010

    Medigal,

    Do you have a copy of your actual pathology report?  It may not say "IDC" but it probably says "invasive ductal carcinoma" or "infiltrating ductal carcinoma" or "invasive lobular carcinoma".  The key words to look for are "invasive" and "ductal", which means you have IDC, or "invasive" and "lobular", which means you have ILC.  Since you had chemo and a positive node, what's certain is that you had an invasive cancer and not pure DCIS or LCIS, since neither of these diagnoses can lead to nodal involvement and because chemo is not required for those who have pure DCIS or LCIS. 

    About 80% of breast cancer is ductal so it's most likely that you had IDC.  

    The grade of your cancer should be mentioned in your pathology report.

    As for staging, that is determined based on the size of the area of invasive cancer, the number of nodes involved, and whether or not there is mets.  With a 2.5 cm tumor and 1 positive node, you would be Stage IIB.  Here is a website that explains staging:  http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/treatment/breast/HealthProfessional/page3

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited September 2010

    Bessie:  Thank you so much for the link to that page.  I was never given a pathology report ever.  And now I have moved to a different state with a new Onc and I have no idea what he has.  When I see him in November I may ask him what my diagnosis shows.  The info I got was on a letter sent to my surgeon from my radiologist thanking him for sending me to him.  The letter just seems to leave out a lot of details.  I will get it and check it against what you wrote and stuff on that webpage and see if I can find more info about my diagnosis.  I appreciate so much your reply and the information you have provided.  Thanks again!

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited September 2010

    Bessie or anyone who knows this stuff:  I found that letter I have about my bc.  My lump was actually 3.2 cm with Poorly diferentiated carcinoma w/negative surgical margins of resection.  1/27 Nodes and ER+ PR+ HER-2 neu positive.  Diagnosed 8/4/03 Right Breast Lumpectomy.  Does this still put me in Stage 11B ?  If not do you have a site where I can find how they figure out what Grade and Stage we are in?

    I also would appreciate knowing what the Poorly differentiated etc. stuff means.  If you don't know I will wait until this November when I see my Onc and try to get him to tell me.  It's like "Don't Ask Don"t Tell" in his office.  Thanks for any info you can provide. 

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited September 2010

    Medigal,

    The website that I provided the link to in my previous post explains how to determine your stage based on the size of your tumor and the number of nodes affected.  Specifcally, your tumor, being 3.2cm in size, is designated as being a T2 tumor because it's between 20mm (2cm) and 50mm (5.0cm) in size.  Your nodal status is N1, based on your having only one node affected, and you are M0 (no mets).  So your full staging is T2, N1, M0, which is Stage IIB.

    As for the grade, your letter indicated "Poorly differentiated", which means Grade 3.  This website explains that:  http://www.imaginis.com/breast-health/histologic-grades-of-breast-cancer-helping-determine-a-patient-s-outcome-2

    And as for the type of cancer, lobular is more rare so if you had lobular, it would certainly be specified; since it's not, I think it's safe to assume that you have IDC, invasive ductal carcinoma. 

    The treatment you received - chemo, rads and Arimidex - are all consistent with this diagnosis.  Being HER2 positive, if you were diagnosed today, you would also receive Herceptin, but Herceptin was still in test and not yet approved at the time of your diagnosis.

    In terms of how many of us include our diagnosis line at the bottom of our posts, yours would be:

    "Diagnosis 8/4/03, IDC 3.2cm, Grade 3, Stage IIB, 1/27 nodes, ER+, PR+ HER2+"

    Hope that helps!

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited September 2010

    Bessie:  Are you some kind of a medical professional?  Maybe I should make my appointments with you instead of that Onc of mine.  Thank you SO much for clarifying this for .  I am going to take your diagnosis to him and ask him if that is what he has done for me.  If he doesn't, maybe you can give him classes in how to understand this stuff.  I really appreciate your helping me understand this.  It only took 7 years for me to find out and I am not amazed that it was from one of you on this forum. You are so smart!!!  Much appreciation.

  • lwd
    lwd Member Posts: 1,084
    edited September 2010

    Hi alll,

    I believe Poorly Differentiated means a more aggressive cell.  Mine were Well Differentiated, and I was Grade 1.  This was when I was first diagnosed at Stage 0-1, 13 years ago.  Back then, I had a lumpectomy and radiation.  My tumor was 9 mm, so very tiny.  They didn't think Tamoxifen would decrease my chances of recurrence by more than about 3%.  So I didn't take it.  I had no node involvement.  But, still, 12 years later I was diagnosed with mets to bone and lung pleura.  No new tumors in the breast, and normal mammos for 12 years.   So, cells had still spread and were dormant for all that time.  I was ER+, so they were sensitive to estrogen, and somehow they started to grow again, 6 years after menopause.  Now, I'm on Femara and Zometa, and am NED.  The little suckers are starved for estrogen, at least for now.  I'm grateful to have Femara, and that it's working.  We still produce estrogen, even after menopause.  I know.......lots to think about for those out there who are ER+.  We just never know!  My best to everyone.

    Lane 

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited September 2010

    Lane:  I think you are right about what the "Poorly Differentiated" means unfortunately.  The one thing I remember about it was when I was getting radiation and I asked the Radiologist Oncologist for some info on what type of bc I had.  He said the one thing I should always be grateful for is that I got it at such a late age.  If he had to give the diagnosis to a young woman it would be much worse.  He said but at my age (I was in my  60's then) he said I probably had an 80% survival.  I hope 80% is good but I knew from the way he reacted to me, I needed to be very aggressive in doing whatever my Oncs felt I had to do to protect myself.  This bc is such a "sneaky" disease!  Your experience certainly shows it but thank goodness you are still surviving.  Best of luck to you!

  • meglove
    meglove Member Posts: 267
    edited September 2010

    I am hoping to have a 2nd opinion too. but probably after my surgery next Monday (?). Who should I ask for when request a 2nd opinion, the surgeon who will operate on me, my family doc, or the oncologist my surgeon will hook me up? Thanks so much.

  • elpajarito
    elpajarito Member Posts: 1
    edited October 2010

    I was diagnosed with DCIS in July.  I wanted to have a 3rd opinion, the hospital were I was diagnosed doesn't want my original pathology slides to go out of State. The hospital have also kept copies of my mamograms .  They said they have a policy regarding pathology slides.  I have asked them for a copy of that policy, and they said it is an internal policy.  I don't know who should I contact regarding this issue.  What did you hear about Dr. Lagios? 

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