Stage IIB, had bilat mast- should I do rads? Did you?
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Obvious answer is ask your doctor...but none of them can agree. One ONC says no, one says yes, surgeon says it is a gray area and I have to decide. I am now 36 (two small children, disabled husband- I am the breadwinner), had 7cm tumor at dianosis, did dose dense AC+T neoadjuvant chemo, bilateral mastectomy, ALND. After the chemo, at surgery, my tumor had shrunk to 1.4cm and I had two nodes with micromets and two nodes with ITCs (of 18). Since original ONC said no need for rads, have fully expanded TEs an implant exchange surgery scheduled. Furthermore, new onc says I should have oophrectomy and hysterectomy, too, and I am out of FMLA.
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Stage II mastectomy patients- did you do rads? -
What does your radiation onc say? I had similar varied opinions after my unilateral mast, but the rad onc I ended up using pointed out to me that taking advice on rads from my local onc (my one "no" vote), would be like her telling me not to do chemo -- technically, not her area of expertise, especially in a "gray" situation.
If you've had a "yes" from a rad onc, I would pin them down on the specific concerns about your surgical pathology that make him/her believe RT is in your best interest. In my case, I had an unspecified close margin, as well as extracapsular extension in my positive node -- both things I had a better understanding about after they were explained to me. The rad onc I chose was also able to allay my concerns about heart/lung damage and LE.
I tried very hard to find support not to do RT, but in the end, I did it, and it wasn't any big deal -- far easier than chemo.
Good luck making a decision you feel good about. Deanna
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I did neo chemo and had no cancer left at all and still did rads. At the time a lady on here thought she had a complete response, and I cant remember if she didnt do rads, or it took her a while to do them, anyway, her surgeon had MISSED her positive node at surgery and by the time they figured it out, she was stage four and passed away pretty quickly. I remember at the time she was urging everyoone to get into rads asap. I was 38 too when diagnosed, and it wasnt that bad, just got a little tired towards the end.
Laura
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I was stage 2B also - had neoadjuvant treatment as well, which shrunk a 4cm tumor down to less than 6mm. My 2 nodes that were definitely positive prior to treatment via PET and US both came back negative as well as the other 10 they took out. My medical onc said it was up to me, my rad onc said it was up to me, my surgical onc said "I would". I was 37 at dx with a new baby. I decided to do rads because I wanted to do everything that was within my power to never have to go through treatment again and to raise my baby. Of course, there are never guarantees and I do often wonder if I wouldn't have developed LE if I didn't do rads, BUT my priority was to live and so far I am doing that. It is a very personal decision and ultimately you will be the one deciding. Good luck in whichever choice you make.
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I had the same question and got different answers depending on the doctor I asked. But the latest information states that if you have any lymph nodes positive you should have it. I had a/c chemo to try and shrink it, which didnt work, then a lumpectomy w 13 nodes removed.2 positive. The lumpectomy didnt get it all, so I had 12 weekly taxol chemo, followed by a bilateral mastectomy (didnt want to ever go through this again) w/ tissue expanders, and tomoxifin, then a hysterectomy and 5 1/2 weeks of radiation.
I felt that I needed to do everything possible to see my children graduate and grow up! I would recommend if you do have the hysterectomy, you find someone who will do it laproscopically. I did, and I had it on Wednesday and was back to work on the next Monday. I just finished the radiation last week and depending on how I heal, i hope to get my implants by Christmas! Keep it up- you can do it!
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I am wondering too. I also hear if nodes are positive you should do rads. I also hear if your tumor is larger than 5cm then they recommend rads even with mastectomy. I have clear margins, 5.5cm no nodes. Meet with oncologist tomorrow. I'm hoping I don't need rads but my tumor is/was grade 3 & HER2+ (aggressive) so they may want to be more aggressive. So far they have been very aggressive with me but I know I'm really going to question the rads.
I didn't do chemo before. I'm glad I didn't. This way I know for sure they are not in my nodes. Of course now I don't know if the chemo will work but that's cancer. Glass is always half full and half empty.
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Two years ago I was in your position in deciding the rads question. My suggestion would be to get a second or even a third opinion from different rad oncs. I had 1/15 positive nodes. The research about the benefits/risks of rads for those with 1-4 nodes is very mixed. Some studies seem to show a benefit, while others do not. Rads are not without risk for various side effects, including lung damage and an increased risk for lymphedema - only you can judge your own feelings about the benefits of rads v. the risks.
The first rad onc with whom I consulted wanted to do rads, even doing the intramammary node region even though my tumors were on the outer edge. I had a second consult with a wonderful rad onc who took over an hour and a half with my consult, taking a complete history, reviewing my path report line by line, and even calling the pathologist directly to get more information. She agreed that I was right on the borderline, and would be comfortable if I decided to do rads, but would also be comfortable if I decided to decline them.
She gave me great advice - she said to do my research, get my second opinions, then let the decision rest. Pick a day a few weeks from now and tell yourself you will decide on that day. Let everything you've learned percolate in your subconconsious, but don't actively think about it during that time. When "decision day" arrives, go with your gut feeling and make that decision. Then let the decision sit for a week and revisit it. If your gut still tells you that's the right decision, then your decision is made.
For my particular case, I declined rads. But everyone's case differs on things like tumor size, location, margins, tumor grade, etc. I would get as many second opinions as you need to feel comfortable when you make your decision. Then once you make it, don't second guess yourself months down the line. You make the best decision you can at the time with the facts you have at hand.
Good luck as you make your decision.
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I've worked with several women in our area to connect them to docs at Dana-Farber. I had this question come up recently and checked with my rad oncologist, an assistant professor at Harvard. She recommended standard radiation treatments for the lady I was inquiring for. She was under age 50. Age was a factor in my doc's opinion for the type of radiation she recommended.
I was at risk for heart and lung damage. I'm doing well. (Praise the Lord!)
Radiation is not that bad... It's more an inconvience than anything. Yeah, you're a little more tired than normal but for the peace of mind and the increased odds for survival I think it is worth it.
Kathy
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I am having to go through this decision myself. My pathology test after my bilateral mastectomy showed the sentinel lymph node positive but 2 and 3 negative. I currently have expanders in and have not started my fills so I am not looking forward to adding radiation on top of it. I have read articles about the less than 3 positive nodes not making much of a difference. I am thinking of maybe doing radiation later after I am done with breast recontruction.
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I would check with your oncologist about doing radiation after reconstruction. I had a bilateral mastectomy and had the start the reconstruction process right away. I am undergoing chemo and have been expanded twice already. My oncologist told me there was a chance I would need radiation due to 2 of my nodes being positive and that it would have to be done before the final swap in the reconstruction because the radiation damages the implants. Make sure your team, all involved know what is going and talk to each other. Good Luck to you!
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KS: bc patients have tons of rights. Forget FMLA...take time under ADA (google) as George W. Bush rewrote it just before leaving office to protect us from just this kind of nerve-wracking madness. Also, I too am IIb, had bmx w/recon, am about to start TAC 6 every 3 and they suggested rads after chemo and swap out foob surgery. I hate to empty the only 2 cancer fighting bullets I have in my gun on one event but, to be honest, I will go through with it. How are you feeling after AC+T? Did you lose all hair (lashes, brows, other stuff!?!?!?!?) and when do they want you to start rads? A lot of people work through rads but if you don't want to, you can take time off for rads under the ADA. It is up to you.
Be well,
Liz
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I definately agree with Nadine's comments about rad before ps. Tissue is changed by rads. Ask what your PS is willing to work with. I think that as women we often forget this is about saving our lives. Second, quality of life; third cosmetic appeal. When discussing reconstruction with my rad onc and making some of these tough choices about "when" to do "what" I captured that reality: "I am more than a breast" and "this is about saving my life, first!" I gave my rad onco the final decission based on what was in my best interest for saving my life. Some docs don't like to commit. I looked my docs straight in the eye and said, "For you... What if this was YOUR diagnosis? What would you choose?"
Another thing I found: my PS was able to remove some of the rad tissue during the reconstruction. That made me VERY happy.
Just read an article from a reliable source about studies conducted on rads. The article stated that the quicker rads for older women were started the more affective. This research trial may have been done on older women but having been a part of a clinical trial for H/T/C (staged 0- earlier 3) at Dana-Farber I know that a select group is chosen but finds cross lines to others. I had to travel 80 miles each way for app'ts. So glad I did!!
Kathy
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Kathy: rads should definitely be done after recon. Your PS will/should insist. The med community puts your life before foobs but the PS needs to do their work before any tissue damage occurs as a result of rads. Nadine made a very good point. If you call your PS and explain rads could be on the menu, they will tell you swap out on the foobs before rads. Good luck to you-
Liz
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I had BMX with TE and some fill. PS is doing 1 fill (today) and maybe some more before chemo. If I do Rads I will have to wait 6 months before any additional expanding/exchange.
My PS feels treating cancer is first. Cosmetic is second. Even on my surgery consent form it states "I understand that this operation is not an emergency nor is it medically necessary to improve or protect my physical health."
If you decide to delay radiation be sure you find out if that will reduce its effectiveness or not.
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