Double mastectomy OR other "drug" prevention treatment?
So, I am about the celebrate 7 years of surviving the news that I had BC!
I was 36, and without any family history (I am now the history), when I was told that I had IDC; I went through a lumpectomy, none of the nodes removed were positive and my cancer was triple negative; as for treatment I did four rounds of A/C and 33 radiations; since I was triple negative, I was not put in any hormone suppressant or any other medication.
For the past seven years I had the routine blood work, mammograms and ultrasounds done since my breast tissue is very dense. The ultrasounds of my good breast have revealed cysts; a fine needle biopsy on the good breast, back in 2005, revealed only fluid. Besides keeping an eye on persistent cysts, again, on the good breast, nothing else went on... until the beginning of this summer.
At age 43, my yearly ultrasound came back with the usual cysts... but this time, the radiologist (different from before) showed concern about the ‘walls', ‘sound'...; so I was told to see a surgeon, which in turn just told me to have a double core fine needle biopsy on the good breast (because the radiologist showed concern... to tell you the truth he could not care less... one of those that has seen ‘one, two many cows!').
The results of the double core biopsy were 50/50... one biopsy came back fine... just a cyst, but the other biopsy came back as Focal Atypical Duct Hyperplasia.
About a month ago I underwent a biopsy with needle localization (and used a different surgeon, nothing like firing some 'a$$'), wherein he removed the "suspicious" area and the results were negative for any carcinoma. Hurray.
Now comes the trick part... my new surgeon wants me to go on Tamoxifen, because of my age and my personal history. He is ‘just a surgeon', not an oncologist. He's young and I trust his opinion and love his bed side manners.
I personally do not want to take any drugs like Tamoxifen or... they are good for one thing, but bad for something else and when you take one, you always end up taking something to contra-react the effects.
I am more inclined to have a double mastectomy, sometime next year. (I don't know about reconstruction yet, as my head is still "stuck" in how can I minimize any future risk). I also know that it is very difficult to predict what, when and if I am going to develop, future wise, any further cancer and that no answer ‘is the right answer'.
I am seeing a breast cancer specialist (highly recommended) for a second opinion as to what should I do future wise... keep an eye on the girls, take a drug, go for mastectomy, or....
I know this is all personal and to 'each it's own'... but what would you do knowing what you know now regarding your own health, treatment, diagnosis, if you were in my position?
Thanks for your time. Looking forward to reading your "two cents" to my question.
Always me, Lilia
PS: BCRA1 and BCRA2 testing about five years ago was negative.
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If everything were equal, I would try to drug first, because you can always change your mind and still have the surgery later if you have SE you don't like. I am very conservative about having irreversible procedures done. And any kind of surgery has risks, and can have unintended SE too. But those you can't eliminate by just not taking a pill. Of course, you will want to hear what the specialist has to say; he/she will no doubt have insight and knowledge that may make the best way to go more clear to you. Best of Luck! Ruth
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Lilia, good news that there was no malignancy. I've got the BRCA2+ so my situation is different. When I got my second bc, I had the bmx. But losing breasts is a big issue for many of us. Others are ok with it. Best to get more medical opinions and for sure, talk to a medical oncologist even though you like the surgeon. Best wishes.
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Hi Lilia. One thing that helped me make a decision about this was to meet with a high risk oncologist (and then a second and third opinion from different institutions). Getting their estimation of my personal lifetime risk of invasive disease was really important for me so that I could determine what risk I was willing to take. All the best,
Kelly
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Lilia, I think in your situation I would do exactly what you're planning to do - see a bc specialist. The pros and cnos of any treatment, including no treatment, can be discussed. After that you can decide what to do, or if you need another opinion, etc.
Best of luck with whatever you decide.
Leah
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Lilia,
Tough decisions that seem to require more expert opinions from oncologists and fact finding, in my opinion. Tamoxifen may not help you in the future, especially if your BC was triple negative!!! Only you can decide what is best..based on your risk toleration, especially given your very young age of onset. Best wishes.
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Congrats on surviving 7 yrs and for ensuing the treatments.
Except for the original carcinoma (which I never had as far any of my tests ever revealed....but who knows, right?), the rest of your pattern is similar to mine. Started with a lumpectomy on the L side 6-ish yrs ago for atypical hyperplasia. Monitored with MRI, occassional biopsy under MRI, digital mammograms, ultrasounds. Evolved into atypical ductal AND lobular hyperplasia (ie risk to get lobular cancer includes the healthy breast with lobular atypia). I did opt to take tamoxifen and hated every day of it, worried about the potential side effects, mostly the potential for pulmonary embolism (pretty fatal and a medical emergency). I worried less about endometrial cancer because they agreed to monitor that very closely, and in fact after 3 yrs on the drug I developed atypical endometrial cells, so I had a radical hysterectomy, including ovaries. That was 2 yrs ago. I opted not to go back on tamox, since the only side effect I could have been left with was pulmonary embolism. Now, 2 yrs drug free, I have many more nodules and suspicious calcifications in BOTH breasts. My MRI 6 months ago was risk 1 for the L and risk zero for the R. MRI 2 wks ago was risk 3 (=some doubts) for both sides. So as of Friday, the decisions I face are to have a prophy double mastectomy or wait until the next MRI (I am dumfounded as to why they recommended another 6 months before repeated the next MRI, given the rapid decline in health over the previous 6 months). I am not interested in playing roulette. The painting is on the walls. I don't want to become a potential risk 5 (=cancer) by waiting. I also do not believe that no matter how many tumour boards review a case and no matter how many smart people may be reviewing them, that the conclusions WILL NOT be based on medical fact. Because there are too few medical facts in breast cancer to rely on. I believe that the decision boils down to do you want to live in fear and risk crossing the healthy line versus do you want to live without breasts. That's why they say that only you can make the decision. I know that I want the mastectomies but I wonder why I am apprehensive about that. Why does psychology place so much emphasis on having breasts versus living with a risk. So the answer on what to do is obvious for me, now I just have to get my head in order. Good luck to you and your family with whatever you decide.
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Sorry for the confusing sentence above.
To clarify:
I also DO believe that no matter how many tumor boards...etc for the rest.
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What2do: If I were you I wouldn't wait another 6 months - I would have my MRI films (the one's you have already done) reviewed by a bc specialist.. I had my biopsy sre read at Vanderbilt but there are plenty of pathology labs, radiology labs and hospitals that specialize in cancer. You don't have to wait the 6 months you have the right to call your bs and tell him/her to get in touch with your radiologists group and have them send all of you past MRI's to the radiology group of your choice.. Good luck and I hope if you do follow through with a "second opinion on your breast MRI's you get a less fearful result!!! Best, Deirdre
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n by N; we have such similar histories. my tumor in 2003 was 5mm but grade 3. we are both tn. we both live in cities named springfield! there is one in every state in the nation I hear.
I am older; just turned 55.
We both face the same fork in the road. As Yogi Berra used to say "when there is a fork in the road, take it!" Now you know I'm from Jersey.
I do not agree with your bs putting you on tamoxifen for TN. It's so routinely done now that my own bs said the same thing till I mentioned I was TN. the bs would not be prescribing it anyway. I went to a breast specialist, a female surgeon who had done an extra year at sloane-kettering specifically in breast oncology. my previous surgeon had trained with her in oncology surgery but did not stay for the extra year for specifically breast. they call themselves breast surgeons based on the % of breast pts they see in their practice. so I was a bit misled 7 yrs ago. I am a nurse and still did not know any better.
So here is my current dillemma. i have put off my decision all summer b/c I first wanted to visit my new grandson in FL. last april I had a big scare in my unaffected breast. after wks of testing and results, i was told that it was just 7mm of breast tissue that "lit up". My breast specialist strongly agreed with my intention of having a pdm. True she makes $$ from surgery, but she is independently wealthy and already has more pts than she can handle.
Part of my decision to do it is that I am a worrier by nature. I am waiting for the other shoe to drop. I will never forgive myself if I allow another cancer to grow. I was very lucky the first time that I caught it so early. I was in a fog for the first 5 yrs; going from check-up to check-up waiting to hear of a recurrence or new primary. Now I realize that I am still at risk d/t the tn status. I wish I had the mastectomy 7 yrs ago rather than the lumpectomy/radiation but that was the contemporary thinking back then. "You get the same results either way" I was told by many docs. That statement is being questioned in the medical literature now. for TNs. so much knowledge has evolved over the past 7 yrs. I keep asking my doc if there is something coming down the pike for TNs. he tells me it is discussed at every conference but there are no preventative trials at this point. I do go for my Evista IV treatment once a yr b/c i have osteoporosis and biphosphanates curb growth of new cancers. I wish there was more to do preventatively. I know that exercise and diet are preventative measures. Can't hurt to do them! I'm leaning toward the PBM right now. it's time for me to make some appts. first I will look at all the pix of my grandson (we never had a boy!) I have many reasons to fight to be around for a long time, as we all do. good luck in your decision.
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I know it's a difficult decision for anyone and hindsight is always 20/20, but honestly its a loss that could make the fear I had prior to having the mastectomy lool like a day at the park! If I could do this again I would treat the fear rather than the breasts! Just my opinion but the other thing is the fear doesn't entirely leave you! I know we all have to make the best decision we can and I honestly thought I had - I'm hear to say that I make the wrong decision for me and after speaking with quite a few women that had bi-lateral mastectomy they too feel they were either encourage into it by the doctor's or as Eileen said above fear made the decision for us.. Why not try to treat the fear rather than give up our breasts? Again I respect all of your decision and I just want to let you know what the road can look like from the other side.. Best and I hope you all come out of this with peace!! Best, Deirdre
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Deidre; I appreciate hearing your view "from the other side" of a mastectomy. and I also appreciate that you understand that each situation is different for each of us. It helps, tho, to hear differing opinions such as yours.
I looked at your previous posts and saw that your dad died of breast cancer. Deidre, that is a real red flag for family members. FWIW I think you made the absolute right choice, tho I am truly sorry that it caused you so much angst and reconstruction disappointment. It's too bad the docs did not take time to help include you in the choice, tho I really should not always blame the docs. Sometimes the situation is just horrible. You had lost a father to this dreadful disease and then you lost your breasts. Too much loss with not enough time to absorb the grief.
The fear that you might have developed an aggresive bc is not an over-reaction. With regular follow-ups you might not have picked it up till it was invasive.
Maybe someday you will be at peace with your decision to do pdm. Some fears are over-reactive for sure. But you legitimately had reason to fear for your life had you not had the pbm.
Your post is helping me sort out my thoughts. Loss of breasts is horrible. I know it. But down the road I see the piece of mind that I will have. I may need to go back on Celexa b/c I have a history of depression; why wait till I am deeply depressed? thank you, Deirdre and I wish you all the best. eileen
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Best to you too Eileen - it's one of the most difficult decision a women can make for herself and I know you are in deep pain.. What ever you decide will be difficult so I wish you all the best and warm thoughts!! I'm so sorry you are having to go through this.
For anyone out there who has a father who had or has bc - a male member of the family having bc USE to be a big flag but BRCA had lessened the posibilities of us eventually developing bc - mine was negative and the doc's knew that, but honestly none of us know what to do when it if it is the father that carries our fate when it comes to bc.. But again, with the new information that I know now I had no higher risk than any other women whose first female relative had bc..
Eilene if you have a history of depression PLEASE seek out your therapist now while you are going through this horrrendous time as so many of us experience depression after the mastectomy.. a therapist might be able to help you not only with the decision but also with your recovery!!! My warmest thoughts are with you! Best, Deirdre
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Deirdre; I am so sorry that I gave incorrect info. Thanks for gently updating me on the risk of bc with an male immediate family member with bc. I stand corrected.
So now I REALLY get it about you regretting the bpm when you were Her negative. My thoughts go out to you.
Thank you for recognizing that I was only trying to help, tho I now realize that some of my info is not up to date and should not be stated with such absolute certainty.
I'm sorry you had to go thru this. eileen
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Eileen: You are so sweet - thank you so much for your concern, but I am finally looking ahead instead of back.. It took me the better part of 3 years though to get through my depression after my bi-lateral mastecomty and I didn't have a history of depression prior.. so please take good care of yourself and I'll be keeping you in my prayers as you go through your journey! Best, Deirdre
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