Skin S.O.S. - Scar Remedies
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I ordered the Tropol-Active-S. I got the discount using the code LouAnn gave us, my order arrived in 2 days (I live nearby) and they sent me 2 travel size face creams and 2 travel size eye serum for free! Sweeeeeeett!!!
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Hello all: Kate, great deal on the Tropol-Active S. What was interesting to find out is that not only are they using the active ingredient in T-AS for scar growth but it supposedly is a miracle for wrinkles and hair and eyelash growth (in other products, of course).
My PS confused me, saying I should be careful about anything genetically engineered ie. that it uses synthetic growth hormone.
But then again, PS had not heard of T-AS nor about Invicible! Perhaps we on BCO might be "ahead" of what some of the PS know? Also, PS said pec exercises WERE ok, but here I have read they are not. PS also was against underwire bras. So many contradictory opinions. Sometimes I wonder, as you have said, Kate, if they are making it up as they go along!
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whitedove- Yup, I think you are right. Kind of off topic but I just had a bra fitting at Nordstrom's where some of the salespersons are specially trained in fitting post mastectomy women. The way she explained it to me was if you are wearing the proper size the underwires actually keep your implants in place as they are healing. The danger would be if you're wearing the wrong size and the wire is pressing where it shouldn't. She said even women who have had augmentation are told to wear underwire for the same reason otherwise their implants can shift as you are healing. It made sense to me.
I think a lot of times we are ahead of all of our surgeons! LOL!
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Kate33
WOOOO HOOOO....dontcha just love freebies
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Linda- Yes, I do! It was like getting a little unexpected present!
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OK, I'm sold. I am ordering the Tropol-Active S as soon as I finish posting here. Thank you very much whitedove, for starting this thread.
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I ordered the Tropol-Active and just received it yesterday. I just started using it today so we'll see how it goes. I hope it works. Thanks whitedove for this suggestion. I agree with you guys about the PS making things up as they go along. I really think they do.
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Off topic but to clarify, I meant to say PS was against underwires immed after xch but said it was OK after 6 weeks.
Kate-I'll try to get the freebie as well. Giselle- no prob re: thread, I am learning a lot too. Important point: I was also advised to start any scar treatment within 21 days: that that is when the scarring process (actually the healing process) begins. After that, you are dealing with an already established scar and the process takes much longer. I plan on taking a photo comparison to see which remedy works best. I think I am going to try both the InvinCible, the Scar Tape and the Tropol Active S.
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I ordered the Tropol -Active cream using the discount of 3.50 that was automatic. It arrived in two days with the free samples for face and eyes. Will let you know how it goes.
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I ordered the Tropol-Active S as well. Disappointed that a keloid is forming on my SNB site. I had not put anything except cocoa butter on it (sporadically). The scar is 3 months old. I will try (try: as I am all thumbs with technology) to keep pics of the scars once I get a good comparison of the remedies: 1) Scar Away Tape 2) Tropol-Active S and 3) Invincible.
I've been hesitant to use my 40,000 EUs of Vit E oil after learning that it may not be good for scars at all. Hope that if I start within the 21 days that I can prevent this from happening to my newer scars. I believe I waited too long with the old scar. Question: Does cancer or cancer treatment slow down skin healing? I am used to having my skin heal faster.
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If you ordered the Tropol-Active-S - commit to applying it 2 times per day - 3 if possible - it does not take much! If I am watching TV at night - I will massage it into my scars - Be patient! You will not see results overnight - but you should see some changes within 4 weeks (I did!).
One thing that I have found is that after a day of flying (I am a flight attendant) the redness on my left breast scar is a bit more pronounced than when I left that day - by the next morning, the redness is gone. Weird - may have something to do with the pressurization of the airplane!
Whitedove- It will be interesting to see which of the 3 products you see more results with - please keep us posted!!Also - I don't think you have waited to long to help heal your scars - just keep them away from the sun!
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You are so right about the sun. I am mad at myself for neglecting a couple of scars on the top of my foot. With the summer sun, they turned so dark! Initially they were imperceptible in color. Thanks for the tips. And yes, sounds like the air quality/pressure has something to do with it.
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Just received my order of Tropol along with the other goodies. We will be a good test case for this product. I will post pics once I am able to do so. Thanks everyone for the advise.
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Hello.
I had been doing the silicone strips for about 2 months and recently stumbled upon a few articles that tape may be just as effective. It's suspected pressure is what flattens the scar tissue, not the silicone. I bought some waterproof (peachy color) Curad tape from Target and covered the scars. The tape stays put and I'll need to keep an eye on the skin to see if I build up a reaction. I just started last week...so who knows?
I also massage the tissue while I'm in the shower with soap to help soften the scars.
Looking forward to reading everyone's comments.
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Article about scars-re: InviCible
http://www.pr1.org/1/picking-the-best-scar-cream/
06.03.2010 | Author: Minas Chrysopoulo MD |Many people faced with problematic scars turn to a scar cream to improve the appearance or texture of their scars. Scars can be caused by a variety of reasons: surgery, cuts, stretch marks and acne, to name just a few. These scars can cause embarrassment or social stigma, causing many individuals to seek treatment with one of a number of over the counter scar products.
The good news is that you don't need a prescription from a doctor for most scar products. The bad news is that most popular scar treatments are successful because of clever marketing rather than true science. Before you commit, research the ingredients to find out what science, if any, exists to support the claims made on the packaging.
Vitamin E is the perfect example. Most people think vitamin E is the best treatment for scars. In reality it causes contact dermatitis in 33% of people who use it topically and it doesn't even do anything for scar healing! Scientific and clinical studies have shown this time and time again yet scar products continue to include it as an ingredient because of marketing.... because people expect it.
Another great example is Onion Extract (the main ingredient in Mederma skin care). Again, many companies, including the "chain store own brands", have jumped on the onion extract bandwagon despite studies showing it fares no better than plain petroleum jelly in improving scar appearance.
One vitamin that HAS been shown to improve scar healing is vitamin C which normalizes collagen production within the scar tissue. Scientific studies have also shown repeatedly that silicone scar therapy, either in the form of gel or sheeting, helps fade and soften scars. Silicone is the topical treatment that all others are measured against.
Most scar creams contain water which encourages the growth of bacteria. These bacteria are introduced into the cream once the container is opened by the user's hand. To prevent this growth of bacteria and potential infections, skin care companies use preservatives like parabens, methylparabens and formaldehydes. While there are plenty more to choose from, these are the most commonly used preservatives. Unfortunately, they are also among the most irritating and cause contact allergy in as many as 9% of users.
It's not jut the picking the right scar cream that's important. Some people don't actually take care of the fresh wound as they should. Use an antibacterial, skin-friendly soap like Dial to keep the affected area clean and decrease the risk of infection. Fresh skin wounds should also be kept covered for the first few days. Half-strength peroxide works well to clean dirty wounds but should be avoided once the injury has been cleaned of all debris. This is because peroxide not only kills germs, but also the "good" skin cells needed for wound healing.
Once the top layer of skin is healed over (and any sutures are removed), start using your scar therapy of choice. Keep using it until you stop seeing an improvement. This takes some patience though. Even the most effective scar treatments need time to soften and fade scars.
Also protect newer scars (less than 2 years old) from the sun with sun block or clothing. Repeat, prolonged exposure to the sun can cause scars to become dark or more red, making them even more noticeable. Color changes are not as likely once the scar is more than 2 years old.
Lastly, scar massage is also very important which is why most plastic surgeons recommend it. Massage your scar cream into your scar firmly for the best results. Firm massage helps break up scar tissue and will lead to a softer, flatter scar.
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Whitedove: Thank you so much for starting this thread. Kate sent me over because although I heal pretty well without much scaring, what I do have tends to turn white, which, from what I understand can be fixed with tatooing, mentioned earlier on this thread. What I have is a slight dogear. I had my PS put tape on it yesterday to see what it does, but it is just a slightly poofy area right at the end of my original incision line which they didn't cut into at my exchange. Will any of these products help with this? Anyone?
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MBJ I have something like that (just at the inside of my MX breast at the very end of the original MX incision). My PS told me she can fix it if it doesn't somehow fix itself by the time she does my areola/nipple graft. I guess she will go in and cut a little? I didn't ask. I have noticed it's better since the original MX and better since my exchange in May.
Thanks for this thread White Dove!
Re: Vitamin E -- Val reported a few months ago that her PS says Vitamin E can actually act as a steroid and toughen the scar (rather than soften it). Give that and the above info from that article, I'm avoiding Vitamin E
I think simple massage without creams (or maybe using cocoa butter) will probably do wonders for most scars. But as long as these products are benign it doesn't hurt to use them.
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where can you buy the cream for scars?
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Hi Beija, Welcome to the thread. Go to Page 1 of this thread.
You will see the websites for Tropol-Active S and for InviCible.
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-MBJ, You are lucky to have scars that heal easily! Can you bottle that?
http://www.realself.com/question/how-can-minimize-scars
-- above is a forum with Dr.s opinions about scar treatments.
-- below is an article about foods that foster tissue repair for scars:
http://ezinearticles.com/?How-to-Heal-Scars-Faster-with-Food&id=448996
How important is the quality of your food intake to wound repair?
...A study issued in Dermatologic Surgery tackled this question...
The researchers found that elderly patients with chronic leg ulcers have low levels of vitamins A, E, carotenes, and zinc compared to the patients not predisposed to chronic wounds. Based on these findings, the examiners concluded that nutritional deficiencies or increased consumption of nutritional elements in these patients may influence wound healing rates.
Sources of Wound Repairing Foods
Vitamin A: Carrots, tomatoes, sweet potatoes, apricots, spinach
Vitamin E: Sunflower oil, sunflower seeds, walnuts, shrimp
Carotenes: Red and yellow peppers, collards, mustard greens, bok choy, cabbage, kale, mango, orange, onions, carrots, apricots (dark green and dark yellow fruits and vegetables)
Zinc: Yogurt, green peas, beef steak, oysters, black beans, crabmeat
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whitedove - Why isn't champagne on this list?
Thank you for posting this information.
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http://www.fitnessmagazine.com/beauty/skin-care/clear/best-scar-treatments/
Skin The Best Scar Treatments
Cuts and scrapes don't have to mark you for life. We found the latest strategies for treating old scars and preventing new ones.--By Karyn Repinski
If you're like most women, you have a few battle scars: lifelong reminders of the time you wiped out on your bike at age 6, the knee surgery you had in college, a recent run-in with a paring knife. "Any skin injury that's more serious than a superficial cut or scrape will leave a scar," says David J. Leffell, M.D., a professor of dermatology and surgery at Yale School of Medicine and author of Total Skin (Hyperion, 2000). Composed mainly of collagen, a protein fiber normally found in the skin's second layer, these marks are the body's way of repairing itself.
Fortunately, many scars will fade in time. For those that don't, new procedures like laser treatments can minimize them considerably. But your best bet is prevention. "Treating wounds promptly and properly will go a long way in decreasing the appearance and development of scars," says Dr. Leffell. The following do's and don'ts will help you keep new scars at bay-and may even erase that pesky memento of the first time you shaved your legs!
DON'T swab wounds with hydrogen peroxide. "The bubbles make it look like something good is happening, but hydrogen peroxide is known to destroy the new skin cells that immediately begin to grow," says Dr. Leffell.
DO cover a cut. Allowing a fresh cut to "breathe" is an old wives' tale that will actually delay healing by as much as 50 percent. "Moisture prevents the formation of a hard scab, which acts as a barrier to the development of new tissue," says dermatologist Bruce Katz, M.D., an associate clinical professor at Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons and director of Juva Skin and Laser Center in New York City. He advises treating the affected area daily with an antibiotic ointment like Neosporin (which will prevent infection, another hindrance to healing) and keeping it covered with a bandage. After a week, switch to plain Vaseline petroleum jelly, and continue using it underneath the bandage until new skin grows over the wound.
DON'T treat with vitamin E. Despite what your grandmother may have told you, vitamin E has been shown in a University of Miami study to impair wound healing. (In addition, one-third of the patients tested also developed an allergic reaction.)
DO maintain constant pressure on the wound with special bandages or silicone sheeting pads. According to several studies, coverings like these help to flatten scars-including keloids, scars with ropy tissue that grows uncontrollably over their natural boundaries. (Though it's not known why, darker-skinned individuals are more prone to this type of scar.) to try: Curad Scar Therapy Cosmetic Pads, ReJuveness Pure Silicone Sheeting, Scar Fx and Syprex Scar Sheets.
DON'T expose new scars to the sun. Ultraviolet rays can slow the healing process and, since they stimulate melanocytes (the cells that produce pigment), can cause dark discoloration. When you're outdoors, always slather on a broad-spectrum sunscreen with an SPF of 15 or higher. to try: Neutrogena Healthy Defense Oil-Free Sunblock SPF 30 and L'Oréal Ombrelle Sunscreen Lotion SPF 30.
DO gently massage the mark once the surface is completely healed. "Massage helps break down the dense bands of collagen that attach to underlying tissue-a common reaction to cesarean sections, appendectomies or hand wounds," notes Robert Bernard, M.D., a plastic surgeon based in White Plains, New York, and president-elect of the American Society for Aesthetic Plastic Surgery. Once skin has grown over the site, gently massage the area with lotion in a circular manner for 15 to 30 seconds a few times a day. Another preemptive strike: Apply Mederma, a nonprescription ointment that contains onion extract, which has been shown to inhibit the formation of collagen.
DON'T ignore a scar that becomes raised, itchy or red. It may be a sign of infection or an allergic reaction to the antibacterial cream or even the bandage. Injections of corticosteroids can reduce inflammation and break down excess scar tissue. Also, if you know that the scar isn't one you'll be able to live with (for instance, if it's on your face or particularly disfiguring), speak to your doctor early on about laser treatment. Lasering scars when they're "fresh" (six to eight weeks after an injury) can improve them tremendously. "That timing is key," notes Dr. Katz, whose studies show that when treated early, one half of scars became undetectable and the other half improved significantly.
DO ask your physician to remove external stitches before they leave "track" marks. To prevent those little bumps that form on either side of the incision and become permanent reminders, Dr. Bernard routinely removes stitches after a week.
DON'T discount laser treatments for old scars. The same lasers used on new scars can also diminish those acquired even decades ago, says Dr. Katz. "The improvement is highly variable and unpredictable, but mature scars often respond to some degree-sometimes remarkably well." For instance, the pulsed-dye laser helps flatten and remove redness from scars, including keloids. Nonablative lasers (like the Cool Touch, Smoothbeam and Nlite) are best for treating acne scars because they stimulate the production of collagen without marring the skin's surface. Finally, ablative lasers (like CO2 and erbium), which vaporize the scar, allowing smoother skin to take its place, are the favored fix for shallow scars with soft, irregular borders. All of these treatments frequently require more than one zap and can range in price from $300 to $600 per session.
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Lilah: My PS put some surgical tape on it and I am hoping it will go down. I was so concerned with size
that I failed to mention the dog ear (had no idea this is what it's called) until my drain was taken out! I ordered the cream mentioned above and plus my dr gave me something called Mupirocin ointment to use after the tape comes off. We shall see.
Whitedove: thanks for all the additional info on healing
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I have been using the Tropol Active s and so far so good, seemed to take the angry red from it. Only been using it for a short time now. Even my PS thought the scars looked good.
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PB22 - glad to hear the 'angry red' is starting to subside - that is what the Tropol Active has done for me!
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is anyone else using the eye and face cream that was sent as a freebie. I like how it feels on my skin and it doesn't have a strong scent.
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Great thread. I've been using a couple of things and am wondering if anyone else has tried either one. Kelo-cote, advanced formula scar gel, is one I'd read about and purchased on-line. The other is Scar Gel, by dermae, something my DH got for me. At first, I didn't think either one was great, so I'd stopped using them after maybe 2 weeks. But recently (a few weeks after I'd stopped using them) I've noticed that my DIEP scars seem a lot more faded. Not sure if it's actually due to either one of them or just time, but I'm going to go start using them again since I still have some of each. Just wondering if anyone else has used either one, and how they compare to the other options discussed. My scars are from May 08 & Aug 09, so not sure how much improvement I should still expect compared to using anything on newer scars, or if this makes a difference. Deanna
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I ordered the Tropol Active S cream and I entered Facebook for a larger discount than the CRBS. With the Facebook as your discount code you get a third off.
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Welcome DLB! Thanks for the mention of Kelocote and Scar Gel. Who else was it that used Kelocote? That is great news that you are noticing fading. How long had you been using them? With what frequency did you use them? Did you use massage?
Sescape-thanks for the FB tip for the Tropol.
PB22-This is encouraging news about the Tropol. They state main ingredient is used in a lot of face creams and hair restoratives.
JEANS CREAM - Here is a link to a cream for breast cancer patients developed by a two-time breast cancer survivor from Mass. It purportedly targets the effects of radiation & chemo induced dermititis.
http://www.jeanscream.com/brochure.pdf
http://www.eworldwire.com/pdf/10031.pdf
Wonder if any BCO sisters have tried this
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