CompreSleeve
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O2 and Ellie, does it bend? How flexible is it? Does it take long to get on?
Thanks!
Binney -
Binney... I am not sure how to answer your question...the sleeve is flexible in that I can straighten and bend (not completely, but I can do the 'flex my muscle' pose with it on). I personally think my sleeve may be a just a smidge too big (medium, should have went with the small but figured it out too late and am stuck). It was a bit stiff at first but is more flexible with wear.
It is not too hard to put on (altough I have punched myself in the nose/jaw a few times when tired and in a hurry) plus you can 'adjust' the fit to a point once you have it on. For example, the velcro only allows you to tighten up the fit to a point, once you overlap the velcro catch you cannot tighten it up any further.
I think if you have help with fitting it would be a good investment.
I hope this information helps...
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Thanks, Michelle. That's very helpful. And I do know about punching myself in the mouth when putting on garments
<sigh!>
Be well,
Binney -
I recommend Compresleeve often, as it is adjustable and affordable. For those with hand difficulty, yes I recommend hand compression bandaging in conjunction with it, NOT AN ELASTIC GLOVE. IF the fingers are a problem, BiaCare also carries a medifit glove that can be worn with it. But as I always tell my patients, compression bandaging is the gold standard. Once you master that and understand the idiosyncrasies of your swelling, then you can look into inelastic nighttime compression.
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Jane, I'm just wondering if you've received and tried out your new size CompreSleeve and if so, do you like it?
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Hi Sher--
So sorry to be so delayed in answering. I was a away and came back to a huge storm which
left us without cable or internet. It just came back up this after noon.
I love my CompreSleeve! Indeed, size small regular is the one for me. It packs well, it
bends well, and it is quite comfortable on.
It does nothing for your fingers, period. It gives the same type of compression on your
hand as it would get from a gauntlet--Soon as I get some batteries, will take pictures and
post them. I will definitely be ordering another for my right arm.
The CompreSleeve is lightly foam padded, and it has channels, so when you take it off in
the morning, you have "road maps" which Linda Lou has kindly posted pictures of on another
thread.
As far as donning it, the website shows that you should put the velcro on the loosest on the
entire sleeve and put your arm in and pull it up with the "velcro tool" that is supplied. I
found this very frustrting, since no matter how I tried, I could not get the thumb in
properly so it did not rub, and I simply could not get the sleeve high enough to reach my
axilla.
So, I totally took apart all the velcro tabs, put the sleeve on starting with my hand and
gave it gentle pulls up as I attached each velcro tab to the other side of the velcro. (I
hope thats makes sense.)
Then I would gentle pull the sleeve a bit higher and adjust the next velcro tab, until I was
all the way to the top, the sleeve was right under my axilla, and then I would go back down
starting at my wrist, and re-tightened each velcro closure. For me, this worked much better
and actually took less time than trying to pull up the sleeve that already had the velcro
tabs attached, allbeit they were loose.
Kira--it definitely needs something on your fingers/hand if that is where you have a
problem. No at all effective on fingers as-is.
Binney: It bends enough to go into the fridge and you can easily exercise with it on. It
bent beautifully to fit into my carryon when I was travelling.
Sisterinspirit: No, I do not think you could fit a swell spot or chocolate bar in it, but
remember, it has foam channels so you will be getting the benefit of differnt densities of
foam compression.
OB and 32 Elliemae--which part of the thumb hole is irritating you? The top or the bottom?
I think that could have something to do with length or just how you are donning the sleeve?
Since I started taking it apart to don it, I have no thumb problem--when I was pulling it up
already with velcro attached, I did not get it high enough and I had an irriration at the
bottom of my thumb.
OBHealtlhly: my first sleeve (I too ordered a medium) did not have enough velcro to tighten it properly and I promptly returned for a size small. If you are stuck with the medium and need extra velcro to tighten it properly, may I suggest you get some two inch wide velcro and "tack" it down the length of the sleeve, right next to where the present velcro ends. That will give you extra room to properly tighten the sleeve. If you cannot find two inch velcro, let me know since I have reels of it in black (I think it is only sold in large reels) let me know how many inches you need and PM that to me and your address and I can drop some in the mail to you. I think it would be very easy to tack on by hand--I would not try a sewing machine because of the thickness of the foam channels, and you don't want to mess that up--lightly tacking it to the sleeve fabric should do the trick and give you a good fit.
Just a remember: Make sure the sleeve is returnable! And if the fit is not right, return it for another sleeve of the correct size before wearing it.
And when measuring for long or regular, measure axilla to wrist, not to knucle like I did!!
I will be posting pictures, and please let me know if I can answer any other questions.
Total thumbs up from me! With something for your fingers/hands if you need compression there.
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Let me repost my photo of a finger wrap for those who need hand compression:
Sorry, I don't know how to remove the duplicate. Thanks for the review Jane. Us hand people have issues with night time garments: I did talk to someone at BandagesPlus about the plain jovipak sleeve, not the open fingered glove, and she thought a finger wrap would fit under it--for the price, it would be nice if she knew. I didn't call Jovi. I do have a Solaris with finger spacers and it works just fine, but mostly I wrap.
Glad it's working for you.
Kira
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Jane, that's downright exciting! I think I'll ask my fitter to order me one to try next time I go in to see her. She loves finding new solutions to this stupid problem, and this one is cheaper than the custom deals.
Lymphtherapist, I'm not sure why you're saying no elastic glove? Farrow (which is a similar product to the CompreSleeve) sells their Microfine Glove as a complement to their FarrowWrap armpiece, to be worn with it. What's with that?
Kira, thanks for posting the pictures -- I love the line about "each finger will be individially wrapped..." It always reminds me of pears or peaches at a really nice produce store!
Be well,
Binney -
I believe in the concept of short stretch bandaging to facilitate flow. The Microfine glove is a class one (20-30mmHg) elastic compression garment. Due to the elasticity, it is almost impossible to have an equal and consistent pressure grade on the limb. This "bunching" or irregularity further hinders lymph flow. I believe the inelastic medafit glove by biacare is a better hand product for nighttime use than the Farrow Microfine glove. I am following the concepts imparted by my Casley-Smith and Vodder training. The glove is an excellent product. If you feel as a clinician it meets the needs of your patient far be it from me to disagree. I was only offering another opinion.
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Which glove does Biacare offer? I've seen their large compression glove.
As someone who has primarily hand issues, I find the custom night garments to not be ideal--I've used the Jovi open fingered glove and the Solaris Tribute with finger spacers.
This compresleeve sounds as though it would not be a garment that would fit my needs at all. Unless it easily fit a finger wrap underneath it.
I got the jovipak very shortly after developing hand LE, which occured very shortly after surgery, and after about 4 months, saw a PT who told me to "put it in my sock drawer" and wrap.
Ultimately she advised the Solaris, but most nights, wrapping is just more effective. Just more time consuming.
My LE therapist who is a LMT who is LANA certified, Klose and Vodder trained and worked with the in patient group in NYC--with Robert Lerner MD-- (and calls Guenter Klose and the head of Vodder for questions) she says wrapping is the ideal, and the custom night garments are good for a break. She's mostly speaking about hand LE and leg LE that causes bad toe edema.
It's good to know about products and to be able to hear how they work for different people, IMO.
Kira
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http://www.medafit.com/pictures.html
You will see the glove and hand piece pictures on the above link. Below is the sizing chart:
http://www.medafit.com/forms/Standard-UE (Instructions-sizing).pdf
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Lymphtherapist--here's my question: if the compresleeve has a sort of fitted hand piece with a thumb hole and a bit that covers the dorsum of the hand, how could you use a padded biacare glove with it? Over it?
That's why I was thinking that a gauze hand wrap would work better as you could wrap your hand, put the sleeve over, and get hand compression.
What do you think?
Kira
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Kira--
Actually the Compresleeve has an extra piece of velcro for the hand piece, about four + or so inches, so if you are wrapping your hand or using a hand piece or thick glove, you can add that and have enough extra "wrap" to accommodate a thick handpiece or wrapping.
Does that make sense?
I am going out today for batteries!
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It is my responsibility to offer options: The gold standard is to wrap, but the medafit glove does fit under or over the compresleeve depending on comfort. There is no one answer. As a therapist, I must be familiar with all that is out there and make recommendations based on the patient need. What works for one person doesn't necessarily work for someone else because of tissue texture, volume and speed of refill. That is where clinical judgment comes into play. When patients call me on the phone and ask which garment to buy, I cannot give an answer without palpating the limb or at least know their history. Sometimes, a daytime garment isn't need but nighttime bandaging maybe all somene needs to contain swelling. Again, recommendations are all personalized.
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I found this picture on the internet of the open hand portion of the Compresleeve:
On the mid-upper right of the photo, you can see the velcro for the handwrap to close around your hand. The extender I spoke of gets attached to this, so you can easily wear a night garment glove and then close the hand portion with as much of the velcro extender as necessary.
As you see, without a glove, your fingers and thumb are just "kind of out there" with no compression whatsoever. Your palm and top of hand gets compression, but it is more like wearing a gauntlet.
Also, you can see the foam channels in the photo.
I cannot imagine that you could wear the glove over the Compresleeve.
The thumb hole cannot be seen in this picture,
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Jane, you are amazing: a finger wrap would work really well with this, as long as the thumb hole is accomodating. If you have finger swelling, do the gauze wrap first, and then put on the hand piece.
Let us know how it's working for you.
Kira
(a certain aussie/shepherd mix was jealous of seeing the gorgeous cocker, so I put her up as an avatar.Can you tell she wants me to throw the ball?)
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Yup Kira, the thumb hole is quite accommodating and the wrapping would work perfectly!
(A certain cocker spaniel thinks that the aussie/shepherd mix looks pretty cool, but that arrogant Cocker said to tell the Aussie/Shepherd mix that she will run faster every time and beat her to tohe ball, and if she doesn't, she is a sneaking thief and will steal the ball end up with it in any event!)
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Just wondering Jane, if you are still loving your CompreSleeve? Binney, did you get one and if so, how do you like it?
I finally (after 6 months) have a glove and sleeve combo that works - not totally comfortable, since I really don't like compression, but do-able. So now I think it's time to try a night garment, especially since I want to spend some time away from home and don't want to drag all the bandaging along.
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Just wondering Jane, if you are still loving your CompreSleeve? Binney, did you get one and if so, how do you like it?
I finally (after 6 months) have a glove and sleeve combo that works - not totally comfortable, since I really don't like compression, but do-able. So now I think it's time to try a night garment, especially since I want to spend some time away from home and don't want to drag all the bandaging along.
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Sher, I am still loving my CompreSleeve and plan on ordering another one for my right arm this week.
I must admit I have not washed it yet. I have just been washing the stockinette that I wear under it, but it says to machine wash it on gentle and dry on low, so that will be my next experiement.
Glad you have found a sleeve and glove combo that works! That in and of itself is quite an accomplishment.
I must admit I love not wrapping and having the wrap fall on the floor and my dog run with it. . .and shake it and dry to break its neck!
The CompreSleeve packs well!
Be sure and make sure it is returnable in case the sizing is wrong for for whatever reason it just does not work for you--
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I haven't tried it yet -- not due for new goodies until the beginning of September, at which time I'll try to get it past my insurance.
Jane, there are days when I'd LOVE to break the neck of my short-stretch myself, so give your pup a happy wiggle for me!
Anxious for a report on your CompreSleeve washing and drying experiment.
Be well!
Binney -
Sounds good Jane, glad to hear you are still loving your CompreSleeve. The photos show it being worn on a bare arm, so I'm guessing the stockinette is optional? Do you get the same results with the CompreSleeve as you do with wrapping?
Binney, I wish I could get my insurance to pay for ANY of my lymphedema goodies! I've paid for all my purchases and since this is often "try and see" how it works, this has been quite expensive. Just trying on a garment isn't enough for you to know how it will work long term. My Insurance company tells me garments are covered although whether they are billed under mastectomy, orthotics or DME has yet to be determined. I was told that dealers MUST provide garments and need to contact their Provider Representative for the codes - I was not able to contact this representative myself. Dealers tell me they can't get the codes and that my insurance doesn't pay for custom garments. They might be able to do an off the shelf which I can't wear. I haven't even addressed the issue of a night garment like CompreSleeve, figuring it would be just another royal runaround!
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Has anyone had insurance cover this sleeve as "durable medical equipment"?
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With my insurance, BC-related equipment (mastectomy bras, LE stuff) falls under its own category ("mastectomy supplies"), not under DME. That said, I haven't had much luck with insurance coverage. The only within-network place within 100 miles is so incompetent (the first custom gauntlet they made went 1 inch beyond the END of my fingers and they denied it was wrong, the second was the wrong compression), I don't use them. KS1
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Sher and KC, I don't pretend to understand insurance billing codes, but mine get billed as DME, and I have no doubt they'll cover the CompreSleeve if I can get the onc's office to write the prescription properly (actually, my DME supplier often has to get them to do it right, since I don't know what it's supposed to say, and THEY sure don't either.)
Anyhow, here are two pages from LymphedemaPeople with code information:
http://www.lymphedemapeople.com/wiki/doku.php?id=insurance_codes_for_lymphedemahttp://www.lymphedemapeople.com/thesite/lymphedema_insurance_billing_guidelines.htm
If none of it makes sense to you (like it doesn't to me), maybe your fitter can figure it out from that information. A good fitter is a thing of wonder!
Sure hope some of that helps!
Binney -
My insurance company (Healthnet) is so bad I only fight them on the big stuff--scans, MRI's, etc. They supposedly cover DME at 50% but I felt it was not worth the trouble. And they don't cover anything off the shelf, only custom, so, even having them pay for 50% of custom, I come out ahead just paying myself for off the shelf.
I believe wearing stockinette under the Compresleeve is optional, but I figure that way I have to wash it less. The sleeves each came with a stockinette.
Yup, I am still loving it, and I have today received a Compresleeve for my right arm also.
I would rate it as equivalent to wrapping, with so much less time and energy involved!
It may not be the "gold standard" but for me, it works!
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I am very interested in using this product at night. In looking at the photos, it seems the it goes up the arm, but not up to the shoulder. My question is related to coverage. My swelling is truncal, as well as in my back upper arm and armpit. I do have daytime sleeves to wear, and I do wear them at times, but often the result is increased swelling in my armpit, so I tend to opt for a too-small UnderArmour shirt many days. I am wondering if this Compresleeve's coverage is such that the swelling in my armpit and back upper arm may increase.armpit swelling may increase. Any input?
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I will defer to Binney to answer this question, but the CompreSleeve DOES NOT cover the shoulder, and it only goes right up to the axilla, and there really is not a lot of room for any padding, swell spots or chocolate bars if the CompreSleeve is properly fitted, so I am sure Binney will have other suggestions for you regarding this.
p.s. Slept with CompreSleeve on both arms last night--no problem getting them on, and they did not wake me up once!
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Is that a cute model, or what! Makes you want one just for the great look. Like all your friends are going to be so jealous, right?!
Jane, what are you using for hand compression with it?
KC, have you seen these over-the-shoulder day sleeves? Haven't tried one but it looks like a real possibility for hitting those difficult areas.
http://www.lymphedemasleeveco.com/For night I order a vest and sleeves that snap together and cover the whole stupid area. Not cool, mind you, but we installed a ceiling fan -- and DH sleeps with his head under the covers in the middle of summer, bless him! If only one arm in involved you may not need the snaps, but for bilateral it's impossible to get both sleeves on if they're attached to the jacket. (I know that doesn't make sense -- you have to be there to get why it doesn't work!) Also, if I have one arm wrapped for a flare it's a relief to be able to unsnap the sleeve and leave the bandages on over-night.
Trial and error sure is a trial!
Be well!
Binney -
Just wondering, do all sleeve modelers actually HAVE LE?
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