what is radiation like
hi ladies
i know this sounds silly but i have finished 6 rounds of chemo and start radiation 2nd Aug, i keep frightening myself about what this is going to be like, will it burn me , will it hit my organs, etc etc
i also wounded how long you are actually lay there being zapped
i have to be zapped in 3 places on my chest
any advice on what i am in for would be a help
thank you alison
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Alison - I am anxious to hear the replies to your post. I too am starting radiation very soon following 6 rounds of FAC chemo. I know there is a whole thread devoted to the topic of radiation but I haven't spent much time there so i will be watching your post to see the updates.
I am not sure of my exact start date as the docs are debating whether or not they want me to have more surgery first or just go right to radiation. Hope they decide soon, I had enough waiting when i was first diagnosed in January and don't feel like doing it again.
Thanks for starting this post.
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Hi ladies! I was terrified too, so much so that I kept putting off the appointments and trying to find excuses not to go. I nearly refused rads I was so scared. I was convinced the little strip of lung that would get rads too would ruin that lung for life, convinced I was going to have horrible skin damage.
For one, ask as many questions you need to until you feel comfortable and understand what they are talking about. I asked questions in the beginning but the techs kind of blew me off. I didn't get brave enough to ask again (different tech) until the end and she explained things much better and I realized only a teeny tiny sliver of my lung was in the beam, not the whole lung. I spent all that time worrying for nothing.
Some people are laying on their backs, some on their bellies, some get 3 weeks, some get 7 weeks, some have their armpit and/or clavicle, some just the breast. It all depends on your stats.
How long you lay there varies too but it's usually only about 5 minutes from start to finish. It usually takes longer for them to get you layed down and moved to the position they want you in and set up the machine than the actual radiation takes. I had about 6 zaps on an angle from the right side and then the machine would move over to the left and go about another 7 times. Each time varied from a few seconds to about 15 seconds.
Side effects vary too. For me, I was just red and itchy. They prescribed me radiaplex and that helped a lot. It took about two weeks for the redness to go away once I was done and about the same time is when the fatigue set in and lasted a couple weeks. That was it! I'm four months out and have had no problems with skin or lungs. I do feel fatigued a lot, but I'm also finishing up my Herceptin so it's hard to say what the fatigue is from.
I'm a person that believes the mind has a huge effect on our bodies. I believe if you truly keep thinking something horrible is going to happen, there's a good possibility that it will and vice versa. Someone told me to go in thinking about the rays of radiation as a silver bullet that's going to kill any leftover cancer. I'm not a big Jesus person, but for some reason I decided to see it as rays of light coming from Jesus' hands healing me. Or I'd pretend I was sunbathing nude on the beach cause the techs always had good music on! Another great thing to use is Belleruth Naparstek's Meditation for Radiation Treatment. I would listen to that every night while going to sleep and it helped a lot too.
Good luck ladies - it seems like a lot in the beginning but you'll get through it quicker than you think. I'm sure others will chime in with points I missed.
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After chemo, I found radiation to be a piece of cake; and I was so happy to being going over to the 'zapping' side of the clinic instead of the 'infusion' side that I cried. Plus, you know that you are nearing the end of the whole 'active treatment' nightmare! They take very precise measurements, so only hit the places that need to be radiated (unlike the olden days). It is very quick, like 5 minutes or so. I would shut my eyes and visualize that I was lying on a dock tanning at a camp I used to work at when I was young and I would think, "I wonder if we will have a campfire tonight? What should we do for the talent show?" etc. when the machine came overhead I would pretend it was a cloud going past the sun. ABout half way through my 6 weeks, my boob started to get red, eventually it looked and felt like a bad sunburn, but no peeling or sores or anything. I would suggest you use whatever oinment or lotion the nurses recommend religiously ( I used Aquafor). DON'T put any one until after you daily session (or it will intensify the burn), but I brought a tub with me and smeared it on right when I was done in the dressing room, and then right when I went to bed. Also once my boob started feeling hot, I slept with a fan blowing right on it, and actually bought a little personal fan and put it under my shirt blowing on me when I was watching TV etc. After you are done, you still can keep getting red for about two more weeks so keep using the lotion....then you start getting better. I didn't have any really wierd after effects. My boob went back to it's normal color, it maybe is actually a little fuller than before, and that side is a little 'achy', which could also be from surgery. But nothing that interfers with my life at all, and I, for sure, wanted them to zap the crap out of any cells that might still be lingering about, because I never want to play this game again!!!! Best of luck, remember it's only a few weeks out of the whole rest of your life!!! Ruth
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To quote ruthbru, "I, for sure, wanted them to zap the crap out of any cells that might still be lingering about, because I never want to play this game again!!!!"
My BC was on the left side, so there is the added concern about one's heart in addition to a lung. The technology these days is really quite good, and the measurements/staging are focused on pinpointing what does and does not need to be in the zap zone(s). However, I still was concerned, and then, thanks to these boards, I'd read about getting rads in the prone (face down) position, which is possibly even a little more safe as the breast is hanging down and away from the organs. My rad. onc. was open to the idea, and all went well. I had 30 treatments, and once they get all of the measurements set, I was in and out within 15 minutes, and I always tried to play a little game and hold my breath (you can hear a click when it starts, but it really doesn't feel like anything). My breast got very red toward the end, but it does heal quickly a few weeks out.
The mental anguish of the unknown was far worse than the actual daily treatments. Oddly, it becomes almost like a normal routine -- bizarre, but predictable -- over the 6 weeks. My posts are under the MARCH 2010 thread under this same forum if you want to read more details, and I recommend utilizing your timeframe's thread, because it was comforting to "chat" with so many others going through what I was going through at the same time! For example, someone on the MARCH 2010 thread mentioned getting pleasure in slam dunking their changing gown at the end of each session, and I quickly picked that up too; that little act of deviance still makes me smile, something only we in this boat can understand. Good luck!
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It'll be ok! Don't be scared! By the end of treatments there is sort of a void, it gets to be such a routine. Some people even miss the radiation techs!
My rads onc told me I would DEFNITELY burn (he said "I WANT you to burn"). But it was no worse than a bad sunburn. The techs kept asking how I kept my skin so healthy. I moisturized the heck out of it with Aquafor. Every morning I slathered it on, then in the changing room right after rads, then again at night. I also cut the arms and necks out of some of my husband's white undershirts (SO SOFT) and wore those around the house when the burn got irritating, and to bed so the Aquafor wouldn't gum up my sheets too bad. I also wore cool-max workout shirts whenever I went out because they breathe so well.
I started working out the day I started rads, and haven't stopped since. You will start to feel amazing as the chemo effects wear off! You will be ok!!!
ps--for me treatments didn't take any longer than 10 mintues a pop. Music was playing as I laid there, and the whole ceiling was a backlit picture of tree branches. I hope your hospital tries to make it comfortable as possible too!
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Not to worry...rads are really easy! I had a very bad attitude going into radiation and actually worried about it more than I did chemo. But in actuality it was a breeze. The sessions are really quick (in and out in like 15-minutes), the actual treatment is perfectly painless, the techs were lovely and with lots of lubrication (Miaderm, Emu Oil) my skin was only slightly red at the end. I did feel somewhat tired the last couple of weeks...but nothing like chemo. A bonus was that after a very light sluffing off of the "sunburn", my surgery scar is nearly invisible. You'll do fine and you'll be done before you know it.
Patty
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I found rads to be scary mentally - I was always afraid of what was going to happen, that 'the other shoe would drop.' In the end, nothing serious happened.
Sunburn, weird brown spots, itching, little pimply things, a small bit of peeling skin....it all healed in a few weeks.
I had 5 weeks, it took about 10 mins start to finish, I laid on my stomach, right breast.....I brought my own music every day and they cranked it up for me, so I played a bit of 'amuse the techs' with my selections.
Overall, it was worse mentally than physically.
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It is a piece of cake compared to chemo! It will be over before you know it. I used Aquafor and 99% organic aloe, they work wonderfully.
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Like the others, rads was so easy compared to chemo. You don't feel anything while it is happening and it was only in the last couple of weeks (5 weeks of every day) that my skin was a little red. Keep it moistured but only after tx ... don't go in moisturized as that makes burning worse.
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thank you everyone for your replys and your words of support
i am having radiation to my left side after having mastectomy with node and vessel involvement -its just was the thought of this stuff hitting my heart and lung thats frightening the life out of me more than the chemo did
so the key is moisturize moisturize and think of nothing but nice things lol
thank you
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I will be yet another person saying rads were a breeze compared to chemo.
I went before work every day, around 8 am, 30 something sessions. In terms of being on the table, it was just a few minutes usually each time. I was a bit uncomfortable the first day because one of the technicians was male. But he was very kind and professional and I actually came to feel very secure around him, as well as the female technicians. Because rads were every day, I also really got to know all the personnel there more than in other aspects of treatment, and they were all very kind. Plus there were other patients I would see regularly. Sometimes I would get blue on the table waiting for the zaps. I would start thinking about the entire situation, the cancer, the fears for the future, etc. I only bring it up because I think when one is alone in that room, there can be some anxiety, but it passed and was only occasional and I am kind of melancholy anyway.
I did get the burns at the end with some open peeling. But two things. 1. They healed completely in a couple of weeks after I stopped. And after some months, the redness was gone. Now 7 months or so later, you cannot even tell a difference between the sides. 2. It was kind of my fault because I really didn't like the heavy salves they gave me to put on, so I very rarely used them. I should have done so I know. Good luck Alison!
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Just don't moisturize within 4 hours before a treatment. After treatment, slather away!
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I have been thinking a lot about last year at this time which was when I was going through radiation. It seems like a distant memory and it will for you too. The hardest part for me was when I was getting tatooed and measured because I don't like laying still. I must confess a little Atavan did the trick for that problem. The radiation treatment itself is nothing although it is a bit disconcerting when everyone goes out of the room and leaves you there alone and you do have to lie still while the machine is on. I just visualized that the treatment was bringing me good health. It is very very fast. I loved my treatment team and actually enjoyed going there everyday. It was a time when I needed to feel that someone really cared about me, and they did. I also enjoyed getting to know the other patients who were always there for their appointments as well. After every treatment, I put on aloe vera lotion that I kept in the refrigerator. Throughout the day, I put on calendula ointment. I did not really burn til the last week when I looked like I had a rash from shaving. You can't tell now, and I am enjoying wearing my bathing suit (with sunscreen of course) this summer. Also, it was cold in the treament room so I wore a cardigan sweater every morning that I could keep on til the last second. Good luck. It is another step, and you are on your way.
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