Lymphedema Questions! TIA!
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I had a bilateral MRM so both axillas dissected AND both axillas radiated. Obviously I am at high risk for lymphedema. I am ok so far, but am wondering what you all recommend for prevention. I know to wear sleeves when I fly (although I don't have gloves, guess I should get those too). I am very active, exercise a lot (tae bo, zumba, that sort of stuff) but have not done any weights, even small ones, since my surgery in April. I lift my small kids all the time and other heavier things. I can't avoid picking up my kids but what should be my lifting restrictions otherwise? I am careful not to injure my arms and I do strecthes but otherwise I don't so much for prevention.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Thanks so much!
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No lifting restrictions except listen to your body. If you allow your arms to weaken you actually increase your risk of LE. On the other hand, you need to know what to watch out for so you can stop if something is causing you a problem. Have you seen a certified LE therapist? Thats where you should get some advice. And if you are wearing a sleeve that hasn't been fitted by such a person you could be doing more harm than good.
What is zumba?
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I actually think I may have contributed to my LE by overdoing it - I am bad to try to do too much. Too much gardening, too much housework, etc. I was back at work 3 weeks after my BMX and couldn't understand why everyone was shocked to see me. LE has really helped me to get over my perfectionism.
Member is so right - you need to go to a qualified LE therapist - mine gave me a big long list, but by then it was too late - I already had it! Make your surgeon or onc. get you in to see one.
Good luck, girl. I hope you don't ever need us for anything other than prevention tips!
Suzanne
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Zumba is da best!
a workout thru dance..........
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Thanks, ladies! I did see a LE therapist after surgery and before I traveld to MDA for rads. I can't say I was overly impressed. She took my measurements and gave me some exercises to do and that was about it. I will either find another one or go back with some more questions. When I saw her originally I was in the middle of my one week notice/prep of temporarily moving my family to Houston so my mind was elsewhere.
Zumba is so fun! It is mostly latin dance type stuff made into great workouts. I just did an hour of it! So fun and exhausting! You can find a class near you +/or buy the DVDs.
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I am a certified lymphedema therapist and newly dx. I totally agree with member of the club. Let your limb be your guide.
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I, too, brought mine on by overdoing it. But, wait, why am I blaming myself here???? I was not properly educated. Just the very basics of prevention which I followed. But overdoing was never mentioned, nor a lot of other things. I'm like Suzanne, it's my nature/curse to overdo. And that's what brought about this recent flare. If you let your limb be your guide, then it might be too late. I'm for most bc surgery women to be measured and educated PRIOR to their surgery so they know exactly what to do/not do/look for. We need more le therapists, that's for sure. More bc survivors=more le.
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What is "overdo" Life happens, if the architecture of the limb is compromised because of SNB or ALND or radiation, lymphedema may occur without warning. By the way, if swelling occurs in the limb, that means that swelling began proximally before it reached the arm. You don't even realize that it occurs. Yes, you can limit your activity, but lymphedema may be inevitable. Research shows that two significant associated factors, both potentially controllable, are identified, weight gain and infection. Kane 744, I agree people need to be educated. I lecture to practicing physicians. They are not trained in this sequelae of breast cancer treatment. Teaching to the community is what I focus on, especially on empowering people on how to manage if swelling occur, (prophylactic nighttime short stretch compression bandaging based on how the limb feels). This many times allows for empowerment, control and containment in a least bothersome but most effective way . Because everyone's surgery is different, there is very little consistency on what exacerbates lymphedema. Yes we need more LE therapists. The next available opening for me to see a new patient is in January 2011. The training is very scarce and there are companies preying on "lymphedema" scare to inadequately train therapists. In addition, there are reimbursement issures for healthcare providers, thus limiting offering this service.Please make sure that any LE therapist you seek advice from meets the following criteria: http://lymphnet.org/pdfDocs/nlntraining.pdf
Wide excision: 07/09/2010 Atypical ductal hyperplasia pTX, pNX, pMX -
I'm away and can't link, but please visit the National Lymphedema Network Site and our site, stepup-speakout.org for prevention guidelines.
Kira
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I just went to see my PT for the first time yesterday and we talked about flying since I will be leaving for vacation on Tuesday. She said that it is important to wear a glove as well as the sleeve because, if your hand swells, the sleeve would need to come off, raising your risk for swelling in the arm. She also recommended wearing the sleeve for strenuous tasks. You may want to consider this for preventative measures. (Wish I had known that before!)
Hope this helps and best of luck!
One love, Jackie
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Overdoing things can bring on LE or make it worse, which is why you should increase lifting gradually, and listen to your body. But you are more likely to overdo it if you allow your arm to weaken in the first place. We all have to lift things at times, sometimes without much warning. I'm also a big proponent of not altering the family dynamic if you don't have to. If you are used to lifting your kids, and you still can, its probably best for them to keep doing what you've been doing.
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Lymphetherapist: I somewhat agree about your "overdo" theory. However, if we are at all in tune with our bodies, we should know our limits. For example, I jumped horses for years (I mean, I jumped over fences with horses). There came a time in my life when I knew I was getting a bit long in the tooth for that sport, but didn't listen to my inner self, had a bad fall, eventually requiring surgery. I wasn't too old to jump; I was too old to fall. I knew that, but it was such a thrill!! On the other hand, life DOES happen and sometimes le is part of that, I guess. When I was diagnosed three months ago, I was confused because I had done exactly what my doctors told me to do or not to do. Basically, they told me not to worry about it. They didn't know and I felt like I was paying the price. That's why I am so utterly grateful for people like you who can help us learn how to self manage. I'm still learning all the time. With this latest flare, I KNEW I should have wrapped because I overdid it, but was too tired and lazy. A lesson learned the hard way. My body requires me to do my le exercises and MLD twice a day and to wrap when I feel boggy. I will listen. Hopefully.
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I had a bilateral mastectomy with the axillary resection on both sides and started having problems early on. I've finished treatment with LE therapist. I was told some people are, for whatever reason, predisposed to get it, that being overweight to begin with may be a factor. I was fitted for sleeves and told I needed to wear them basically 90% of the time during the day to prevent swelling and to wrap my arms at night until things are stabilized. My therapist encouraged me to weight train. He gave me an article about a study done that showed that weight training was beneficial for the treatment of lymph edema. It seems to be helpful. It was pretty stable for several months, but after I had surgery to removed my port I started swelling again and had to wrap at night for a few weeks. I was told that even a sunburn could cause problems so I am using 100 spf these days. It gets annoying because the sleeves have to be washed every day, but all in all, I'm glad there is a way to treat it, even if it's not ideal. Oh, and the therapist also showed me how to do self massage to stimulate the lymph system so that other lymphnodes could take up the slack.
I read an article recently that they have had success with removing lymph nodes from the groin area and transplanting them in the axilla area. I thought that was very interesting. here's a couple links:
http://www.ivanhoe.com/science/story/2010/03/686a.html
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1448940/
My question is if you remove a lymph node from the groin is it likely to cause problems there as well?
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Thanks, ladies!! You all are awesome! Hopefully the fact that I am 5'7" and 115 will slightly decrease my risk of LE. Off to check out some of these links....I have several plane trips coming up soon.
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had my blood drawn for a CBC.No one told me about risks of LE
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In the future just don't let anyone do blood pressures/IVs/blood draws in that arm. I don't know the risk of LE with one stick. I don't think it is something to get too terribly concerned about, but again avoid that arm in the future/ You may want to start a new topic on this if you want more responses. People may not see your question here. Good luck!
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Had to answer LE therapist on the 'what is overdoing'...
My definition would be hoeing the garden for 2 hours in sweltering summer heat even though your LE therapist told you to avoid both heat and repetitive work with the affected arm for extended periods of time.
During my treatment for the inevitable flare up that came as a result of that, she told me 20 min. at a time on stuff like that is fine, but to go slow...and I'm learning. It's really, really hard for me to go slow. I go at everything like I'm killing snakes.
Love your 'life happens' attitude, LE therapist...it sure does!
LeapFrog, I have no idea if moving lymph nodes from the groin would cause problems there, but I do know that the night after my bmx, one of the nodes in my groin swelled and I ran a fever of 104. The nurses were FREAKING. I think I should have realized then that something is up with my lymphatic system...I think I'm one of those people that was just predisposed to get LE.
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Question for lymphtherapist, I have arthritis in my thumb on affected side, bc side no lymphodema yet, Ortho doc says I could get cortizone shot, what risk is there, scared to get shot. Salty
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Thanks for the shares, ladies. I'm new to breastcancer.org and glad to see discussion on this topic. My surgery was in November; I completed chemo hell 4/21 & radiation 6/24. Last week of radiation my brachial plexus nerve was zapped at which time I also noticed slight swelling in my surgical arm. I've been referred to a lymphedema specialist which is good as I have a long overseas flight in October.
Can't wait to meet her; she used to be a veterinarian! I've long wondered if our pets receive better care than we do!
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Met my vet today and Monday begin lymphedema treatment 4Xweek for a month. Also begin Arimidex next week
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Hey, hey, Gray! So glad to hear you're finally getting a start and can't wait to hear how it goes once you start with the MLD. This is a strange journey!
Love your avatar, BTW -- what an attitude!
Be well,
Binney -
Long time since I've checked in but thought I'd shout out a "Hi." Hope you're hanging in there.
Gosh, much has happened since last post. Strange, indeed, this lymphedema situation! It's relatively under control at this point. I say "relatively" as my carpal tunnel syndrome and arthritis are terribly bothered by the compression garments. So, I've not worn them for a couple of weeks. Awaiting an appointment with a doctor who can hopefully sort all this out. Also, my lymphedema therapist has been out of town since the end of November so I'll eventually track her down.
In the mean time, I'm taking some leftover Gabapentin prescribed for the brachial plexus nerve injured in radiation and think that's helping some. Having a time with asthma, originally triggered by a cigar smoker in October on a cruise. Also having leg cramps during the night and wonder if Arimidex gets credit for that. I swear, I sometimes feel like one broken down old hag.
That said, I'm looking forward to bidding adieu to 2010 and having a better year. Best to all -
- Brenda
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