Aromatase Inhibitors and Trigger Finger/Thumh
I have been on Arimidex for about one year and in the last few weeks have developed a "trigger thumb", which is particularly troublesome after I've been asleep. I've noticed other women posting about this condition in relation to AI's.
My oncologist offered to send me to get a cortisone shot but I really don't want to go this route. Has anyone found any good self-care techniques to resolve this problem?
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I am another who has been having both trigger fingers and triggers toes on Armidex!
I have started to do exercises everyday--raise my arms up and "pump" my fingers and fists, open and close, and then repeat, and until I am tired.
I also do exercises on my feet--flex, extend, flex, extend, circle right, circle left, then do it again.
I find if I keep this up and do it every day, my trigger fingers and thumbs take a walk south!!
Hopefully this will help.
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I decided to have the surgery for my trigger fingers in March of this year. I tried the cortisone shot and it worked for about 3 months but came back. It was getting really bad in my middle finger (which ended up having a ganglion cyst in it as well), index finger and thumb. I still have it in my little finger and middle finger on the other hand but not too bad right now. Surgery wasn't that bad but it's still a little painful from scar tissue that they say will get better. I might have gotten trigger finger anyway, but I think it came earlier and more aggressive than it would have without being on an AI (Femara).
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Thank you so much, Maggie5 and OneBadBoob for your replies. I want to share this heartening experience I had-after posting my message yesterday, I went to the Mayo Clinic website. There, I read that warm water soaks and night splints sometimes help with trigger finger/thumb.
I soaked my hand three times yesterday for about 5-10 minutes each time, and went to the drugstore and got a thumb stabilizer, which I wore last night while sleeping. When I woke up this morning, my thumb was amazingly improved-no painful triggering, for the first time since the onset of the condition last month!
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I had the very same thing. Asked my DR if I could go to physical therapy. That solved the problem. Try it before cortisone.
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I got trigger finger in 3 fingers after taking only 3 Aromasin pills. I had previously had bad arthritis symptoms ( but no actual arthritis) from trying first Arimidex, then Femara. I have just had surgery on the fingers - not a real bad thing to have!
Trigger fingers that are not treated do not get better and may end up as chronic curved fingers. I tries all sorts of NSAIDs, hot water soaks, sleeping with a splint and PT with zero relief. The cortisone shots hurt like the dickens for a week and gave not even a day of relief.
I get the stitches out in a couple of days, but already I feel so much less pain! I'm sure it would be even better if the stitches weren't pulling. I'll do my own therapy - swimming, which has been better than any other type for anything where I've needed to recover.
Of course I had to give up on the AIs. I probably would have kept on with a reduced dose (1/5 pill, which the company website is still theraputic), but my oncologist can't prescribe it because it's not approved. Since I would like to be able to use my hands (and toes!!) I have no choice but to take my chances with recurrence.
BTW, I had the surgery with only local anesthetic and didn't need anything more. The local completely blocked any feeling in my hand, lasted for 13 hours. There is no reason for "something to relax you," aka amnesic bensodiazepine that makes you dizzy, if there is a nice nurse just standing there talking to you. I had no IV, was able to leave a few minutes after surgery - which took only 15 minutes. Only disappointment was I wasn't allowed to watch.
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Well, I'm trying the thumb splint to see if that helps. Not one website that I checked listed AI's as a cause - yeah, I know, big surprise! - I only saw arthritis and diabetes listed, neither of which I have in my hands. Hopefully I caught it early and immobilizing it for several weeks 24/7 will give relief.
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Patoo-I have only been immobilizing the thumb at night.
It's my personal belief that some normal movement is probably good, as long as it's not setting off the triggering. I have been avoiding movements like grasping or pressing down with the thumb, and using only my fingers, not my thumb, when carrying something with handles.
The warm soaks seem to help, too.
I really hope this works for you!
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Alcie -- Sorry, but I have to disagree with you! After about 6 months on femara, I developed trigger finger in the middle finger -- first on my left hand, and a couple of weeks later on my right. Twelve months later, my fingers are back to normal, and are not misshapen. So, for all of you having this problem, you may very well find that it clears up on its own.......or maybe it won't.......
Now, if only pain in the bottoms of my feet in the mornings would clear up as well...ouch ouch ouch
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I also have to (gently) disagree with Alcie. Some orthopods say surgery will eventually be needed, but my reasoning about that is, hey, who will gain $$$ from the surgery? (Not that I'm suspicious or anything...) I have an alternative strategy (non-surgical, non-steroidal) that worked for me, for the carpal tunnel syndrome (CTS) in my right wrist and the de Quervain's syndrome in my left wrist.
I've been on Arimidex since the last week in June '08, so that makes it almost exactly 2 years. I developed CTS in November '08, 5 months after starting the AI. My PCP said it was very early-stage, and prescribed a wrist splint, which I got from a medical supply place he recommended. It did not fit properly. My mom also has CTS, so I tried her wrist brace and it fit and felt much better; so I bought one of those on-line through Amazon.com.
I wore that wrist brace every night for 6 to 8 weeks, until the tingling in my thumb and forefinger were completely gone. I still wear it sporadically when I think the tingling might be coming back. The key to relieving CTS is to treat it before it gets too bad and causes nerve damage; and the wrist brace prevents your wrist from flexing too much. This happens to me a lot while I'm asleep, so what I do now is rest my hand on a small, soft pillow (my "arm-pillow") in a position that keeps the wrist straight or very slightly extended. (It's "extended" when it's bent backwards.)
BTW, my med onco agreed that there is an association between aromatase inhibitors and CTS, although the published studies say the risk is pretty low -- around 5 or 6 %. Leave it to me to keep winning those low-odds lotteries.
I don't know if I have "trigger thumb", but I did develop what very likely was "de Quervain's syndrome" in my thumb on the non-CTS side last summer (a year after finishing chemo & starting Arimidex). With de Quervain's, it hurts like crazy to grasp things with your thumb against your hand, or even make a fist or move your wrist sideways. Opening a screw-top lid can be excruciatingly painful. Sometimes you can see and feel a swollen area at the wrist near the base of the thumb. Sometimes movement of the thumb even "catches" a bit, because there's inflammation in the tendon sheath of the thumb and it doesn't slide smoothly. Here's a description: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/de-quervains-tenosynovitis/ds00692
After googling like crazy, I went to the drugstore and bought a "spica splint". That's a wrist brace that holds your wrist fairly steady and holds the thumb away from the hand ("abducts" the thumb). I wore the spica splint at night for about a week, but I found that it rubbed my thumb in the wrong place and the constant immobilization made my wrist and thumb ache by morning. So, I stopped wearing the splint and began sleeping with the corner of that little arm-pillow clasped between my thumb and forefinger of that hand. Holding the corner of the pillow like that, with my thumb wrapped around it, kept the thumb abducted but still allowed me to move my hand and wrist a little (as needed).
Voila! Within a couple of weeks of the pillow-clasping strategy, all the pain in that hand/wrist/thumb was gone. I still use that arm-pillow most nights, and I no longer have the least bit of pain on the de Quervain's side and rarely, if ever, have any tingling on the CTS side.
Simple, cheap, painless, trauma-free strategies you can try at home, before resorting to cortisone injections and/or surgery.
otter
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I am not on any AI's or tamoxifen or anything and I developed a trigger finger shortly after my MX back in Nov. It is steadly getting worse. I find soaking it on warm water and massaging the plam of my hand helps before bedtime.
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otter, I toss and turn too much at night to be able to keep a pillow in the same position. Maybe if I strapped it in place LOL.
I did develop CTS in my right hand after starting Arimidex and used wrist support during the day and a wrist/hand splint at night (more support). After a few months of that I am CTS free in that hand. Now the left thumb, I've called it trigger finger but your de Quervain's syndrome description actually almost fits - it doesn't hurt to move the wrist sideways but all the other symptoms fit. That is why I am immobilizing it 24/7 because it really hurts when I bend it (and pops), I can't make a fist or grab anything circular. Screw top - I'll throw it against the wall before I subject myself to that pain. The websites I visited, including Mayo, suggested immobilizing up to 6-weeks for relief so I'll go with that. The little nodule does appear to have gotten smaller although it's still painful so I'm claiming it will work over time but not if I take off the brace during the day - I use my hands a lot. We'll see.
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Thanks sunflowers. Mine has not gotten quite that bad - it is not stuck, although I have heard others did get that far. I can say the pain has been alleviated somewhat but when I take off the splint for swimming or showering or whatever and I forget and flex the thumb it still pops although not as badly. So I think it's getting better.
My PCP gave me a script for Xray to rule out arthritis but I've only been in the splint less than a week so I'll wait another couple of weeks and see. I also think the supplements will help.
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About 6 months after I started Arimidex I had trigger thumb in my right thumb (when I had Taxol I had numbness in my left hand!). My onc said carpal tunnel, get it checked by primary MD. Well I came for help at these boards and got advice for stretches. It helped me and within 2 months all was normal again. I do wake up with tight feeling hands and feet but after I'm up it gets better. I just couldn't handle the thought of another surgery so was glad things resolved. Good Luck!
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Can you tell me what the "stretches" are. I have exactly the same thing. Carpal tunnell that has worsened since my chemo ended last September, and trigger finger in my left hand ring finger. Wake up with my hands feeling "tight" each morning as well. Goes away in about 10 minutes or so, but not the trigger finger. It doesn't hurt, but it's driving me nuts. All my finger tips, very top of the finger pads are numb and tingly still since the one taxol I had before I was switched to taxotere due to the neuropathy. So glad to read your post and know I'm not the only one! I am triple neg - so I haven't had any aromatase inhibitors - guess it's just the worsening of the carpal tunnel syndrome.
Linda
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One good stretch was to take your thumb and 'walk' it across the top of each of your other fingers on that hand. Do this several times. Also try stretching it back and holding it. Maybe try the warm soaks as mentioned too.
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ktn, walking the thumb like that was one of the exercises an aqua instructor did in the pool for arthritis sufferers. I can see how it help and will use it. Wonder if a warm cloth around the trigger finger works as well as the warm soaks?
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KTN -
Thank you! My trigger finger is my ring finger on my left hand, so I don't really know how I will "walk" it over my other fingers, but at least I have a starting point in knowing that stretching and massage will help. Guess it's time to see the doc as to how to stretch that finger. Appreciate it! Good luck with yours.
Linda
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I started hand issues about 9 months out from DX, started with hands tingling and falling asleep at night, then off and on all day. Deveolped numbness in the tips of two fingers and then a couple of months later developed trigger thumbs and wrist pain. My pcp sent me to 8 weeks of therapy and I now have braces that I am in and out of all day so my thumbs don't get locked straight but I do sleep in them at night as it really makes a difference then in controling the pain.
I found alot of supporting articles on line that showed arimidex was believed to be a factor in the development of these hand issues and took them to my Onc Dr. He refused to read them and said he would not believe the arimidex was causing this issue as there was no way to prove it and I would be the only pt. he has ever treated that has developed it.
Well came home and started looking at changing my Ins coverage and getting a new Onc this October. I want to have a Dr that cares enough to talk to me about these issues and I'm beginning to believe i'ts not him.
Some days I do pretty well, some days not. I have alot of exercises but none like the one mentioned above.
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One week wearing thumb brace 23.5 hours/day. Nodule at base of thumb is a little less swollen but still very sore. If I bend first joint it still hurts but it's only a week so will just keep wearing it and hoping over time it gets better. I've been massaging and stretching also several times a day.
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Count me as another one with trigger fingers and thumb. Maybe these oncoloists should start counting us! we know the joint pain is from the AI. I started with Arimidex, but had extreme knuckle pain. Acupuncture releived it some but it didn't last. Then switched to Aromasin and now the pain is in my finger joints along with the trigger stuff.It seems that best thing is to just keep moving, massaging, wiggling, dancing. I am doing my research to decide what I can do to get back to a higher quality of life now that I am through chemo and surgeries. I hope each of you find somethings that will really work for you.
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Tomorrow will be 2 weeks since wearing the thumb brace 24/7. Nodule has not gotten any smaller and still hurts. Without the brace it hurts really bad when I forget and bend my thumb. Might have to give in and have the Xray done although I don't see the point.
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sorry to hear that the pain continues patoo. I have not found relief either but did find some acknowledgement of the connections of AI and pain. Arthalgia, which I am going to read up on as well as explore other forums here.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/06/100601124129.htm
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Another trigger thumb chiming in, this one from Brazil, where my Arimidex package insert in Portuguese tells me that "dedo de gatilho", i.e. trigger finger, is a known side effect of the drug, though it describes it as "rare" (as opposed to "dores articulares"--joint pain--described as very common.
Mine started about three months ago, nine months into Arimidex and has been getting progressively worse. The popping sensation comes and goes, coming more frequently as time goes by, and taking longer to go away after I start flexing my fingers. It is definitely worse at night. This morning when I woke up I could not straighten the thumb and it stayed bent for several hours. It is my right thumb and I am right handed so it affects my writing in a major way. Unscrewing jar tops--forget it! even manipulating keys, door knobs and faucets is a problem.
I also have a host of other joint issues that started around the same time. Knees, elbows, feet, hips, shoulders, lower back. I started doing Pilates to see if it would help; so far no noticeable difference. What I want to know is, is this going to continue for as long as I´m on the drug? I have 2 oncs. One says switching to another AI could help, the other says that it often makes no difference. Since I get the Arimidex through Brazilian national health care but would have to pay for other AI´s, I am in a quandary. I could get tamoxifen for free, but I wonder if it is as effective in controlling the cancer as AI´s. I am stage 4 and the Arimidex has been holding my lone bone met at bay pretty well.
Lisa
PS--FernDiva, I LOVE the head tattoo. Or is it henna painting?
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Pitanga, have you tried vitamin dupplements to see if they give you relief with the joints - glucosamine/chondroitin/msm, Vit D3, Calcium?
Sorry I can't help with your ? about using another AI but they all have their SE's.
My Xray came back negative for any problem so it must be the Arimidex. I've had the thumb splint on for a month without any significant relief but I wear it at least 23/7 so don't wake to it being bent. Will talk to an ortho doc in a couple of weeks to see what he suggests.
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Patoo, I have been taking glucosamine+chondritin for over a year because of arthritic stuff. I honestly don´t think it has helped much if at all. I will see my onc tomorrow and find out what he has to say about thumb splints. But it being my right hand, wearing a thumb splint would be kind of disabling in itself, during waking hours. which hand is yours?
from what I read on the mayo clinic site, trigger finger tends to be the result of repetitive motion issues. in those cases the splint would force the patient to stop the activities that cause the problem. In our case, if the AI is what brings it on, how would the thumb splint address the problem?
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Pitanga,
Your question about the splint is a good one. I don't think I got trigger thumb from repetitive strain, but nevertheless, wearing the splint while sleeping has been incredibly helpful. When I take it off in the morning, I slowly move my thumb around for a couple of minutes, gently rotating it, stretching it, and guiding it through flexion and extension with my other hand, and this prevents the morning "triggering".
Mine is also my right thumb, which is my dominant hand. I have been avoiding, as much as possible, squeezing and grasping movements with that thumb (using the other hand when I can). If it starts to feel sore or weird during the day, the warm soaks really calm everything. I've had this condition now for about one and a half months, but it seems to be getting better with this regime.
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Pitanga -- Great to see you here again!
Just wanted you and others to know that trigger finger does not have to be permanent. I developed it in third finger of both hands about 6 months into Femara, and both fingers are back to normal. What I've noticed (and I'm sure others have a well) is that the sore joint issue seems to move around. I had real problems with my hands and wrists for awhile, but now it's my feet (heels especially).
I tried the glucosamine/chondroitin and it made me nauseous. I take an Omega 3 Fish Oil capsule once a day and it think it has helped alot. The only time I actually need to take an advil is for a headache.
DH has arthritis in his lower back and has found a new supplement which is really helping. It's called Relev-X and contains chondroitin, cat's claw, devil's claw, curcumin, boswellia and fish oil. Made in Canada by Platinum Naturals but no doubt it's manufactured in other countries as well.
There's another local analgesic that might work for your hands or other specific joints. It's called Voltaren Emulgel and is available online. You just rub the gel onto the specific joint and it does provide temporary relief.
Hope this helps!
Linda
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Hi Pitanga, it's my left hand and, yes, I'm left-handed. The "splint" I use during the day is really a soft one which just keeps me from banding the thumb quickly so I don't get that terrible pain. But I work at a computer all day (as well as stay on this one at home for hours in the evening) and it doesn't really make it difficult. It only give me a problem to open a jar or turn a door handle. There were one or 2 sisters on here who reported that after about 4-6 weeks in a splint (I think soft) they got relief; others I think did the shots.
I had gotten 100% relief with glucosamine/chondroitin for hip problems pre-BC. I was even able to stop taking them for about 2 years pre-BC. With A the pain came back and the gluco may be helping but I tend to think the D3 may be really the supplement giving most of the hip relief now.
Lindasa - I saw a news report a couple days ago that says glucosamine probably is of no help for lower back pain.
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Hello,
My pains where helped a lot with adding omega 3 and magnesium citrate supplements. I would notice the difference whenever I stopped.
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I saw my onc yesterday and he recommends switching to Aromasin. But I can´t get it from the Brazilian health plan and it is very expensive here.
I checked the internet and found it on a Canadian pharmacy web site, www.northdrugstore.com, for $185 for a month supply, and they also had a generic version for $139. In Brazil I think we don´t have generic aromasin yet.
Has anyone heard of this drugstore or ordered AIs online anywhere else? Does anyone take the generic aromasin?
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