Why do I "need" $$$ silicone breastforms?
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Hmmm...
"As I understand what you said, the swelling only occurs when you've worn a bra that does NOT press tightly on the underarm area?" I don't know, because I've never had a bra that went all the way up into my armpit. My breast surgeon and my LE therapist both said I should try to find a bra that goes up that high -- they suggested "sports bras" -- but I haven't had any luck. My bras are stretchy and have fairly wide side-bands. Anything narrow or with a sharp elastic band leaves a distinct "track" in my side; and my LE therapist said that's a very bad thing. (More about that in a moment.)
"Wouldn't it be more logical for something that's tight to cause swelling by pressing on sensitized spots, than to prevent it?" Not necessarily. For me (and for most people with lymphedema, I think), the issue isn't "sensitized spots" -- it's disrupted lymphatic drainage channels. I had 3 nodes removed, but only 1 of them was all the way up in my armpit. The other 2 sentinel nodes were farther down, where they would normally be covered by the side-band on my bra. In addition to the surgery involved in taking out those nodes, things got messed up by the drain tubes that went through that area.
It's not the pressure directly on that damaged area that's causing a problem. It's anything narrow (like the elastic along the edge of a bra) that cuts across just above that point. Think of it sort of like something cutting off the circulation; only in this case, it's cutting off the lymphatic drainage that's trying to find its way to my remaining nodes.
Something that provides wide, even pressure over the area (like a lateral Swell Spot) doesn't restrict the flow of lymphatic fluid and cause swelling. Instead, it keeps fluid from accumulating there, just as an LE compression sleeve does in an arm or compression stockings do in someone's legs (or an Ace bandage does on a sprained knee).
"Or is it that the pressure from a lower cut bra is on the 'wrong' (lower) spot rather than the 'right' (higher) one?" Well, something like that. Again, it's not pressure on a particular spot that causes me a problem. It's the restriction of fluid flow by a narrow band of fabric or elastic that cuts across my chest wall. That narrow band of elastic would cause trouble no matter where it was. So, what I need is a wide, stretchy fabric that doesn't have any firm edges.
"So having either zero pressure (no bra) or lots of pressure (tight high-underarm bra) are the safest options?" I guess so, unless the bra is too tight or has narrow elastic bands (see above). I really am not happy with anything I've tried so far, except for addition of the Swell Spot as needed. It's thick and gray, though, so it doesn't look so good under a white blouse or light-colored tank top...
I wouldn't necessarily call those the "safest" options, anyway. This is just a trial-and-error process, to find something that is comfortable and that does not trigger or worsen the mild swelling I get sometimes. YMMV, as usual.
otter
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otter, thanks so much for the detailed explanations! Here's a thought that just occurred to me: If any of your current bra bands are too tight, have you tried using one of those inexpensive bra-band extenders to see if any of the several hooks will release enough pressure to avoid triggering your LE swelling? I had to do that with my 34A mastectomy bras purely for comfort reasons. The extender allows me to get just the fit I like, which apparantly is somewhere between a 34 and a 36 band.
I've seen the bra extenders in the Notions dept at Jo-Ann stores, and in the lingerie dept at Macys; I'm sure other stores have them too.
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lovemygarden -- Thanks for the suggestion. Yes, I think the bra-band extenders would help, especially for the soft bras I really liked pre-BC. (I never have been overly fond of bras, and with my 34B/36A size, I usually wore them only for formal occasions, like buying groceries and going to WalMart. It was hard enough to find a bra that was comfortable and that fit properly when I wasn't dealing with a missing boob and a sometimes-puffy chest wall/armpit.)
I actually bought a package of bra band extenders at Dillards a few months ago, only to discover that they didn't work with my bras. Duh! Turns out, I have 2-hook bras, and 3-hook bras, and bras with "narrow" bands (hooks are closer together) and traditional "wide" bands. So I have to find just the right hook/band arrangement for the bra(s) I intend to wear. I did Google them and all the various widths/hooks are available on-line for a cost that's less than the cost of shipping.
Oh, how I WISH we had a Jo-Ann's here, for a variety of reasons. We did, but I didn't know it was there until the store had already gone out of business. <sigh>
otter
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Otter, I'm using bra extenders for some of the same reasons. I found them at Kohl's, and they carry all 3 sizes. They're made by Maidenform. I think they also carry them at Target. They're 1 1/4" and 1 1/2" with 2 hooks, and a 3-hook size. Just measure your bra straps and see what size you'll need. I only have 2-hook bras. They really do help with the tightness problem. I would think that anywhere they sell Maidenform bras would carry them. They come 3 to a pack in white, nude and black, so you can cover all your color bases with one set.
I still get puffy under my arm if I wear a bra all day, and it does get irritated, and I'm over 2 years out from surgery. The mx bras were pretty uncomfortable for me under the arm. I've never really been comfortable with the elastic anyway, and never liked bras. I'm a large A/small B as well, so I know how you feel!
Actually, I just got a couple of T-shirt bras from Nicola Jane in the UK, they're actually the Nicola Jane brand, and they're the only bras I've had so far that I don't want to rip off when I get home! Plus they come with 2 sets of straps, one clear, and you can wear them as cross-over or I guess even as a halter bra. And they're not super expensive. One of the ones I ordered has a lace panel between the cups in the middle, so I can wear it with some lower tops. They tend to run a little tight, so they recommended ordering up a band size and down a cup size.
Diagnosis: 5/21/2007, IDC, Stage IV, Grade 3, mets, ER-/PR-, HER2+ -
I can't imagine not wearing my forms. It must be vanity or an image thing with me. This is not to fault those that go flat. I just can't do it, I have tried. Noting fits and I feel naked. I really can't see how you can do it with one breast. I removed one of my forms and felt so unbalanced and couldn't conceal the fact I had a breast missing. I admire those that can go flat either with one or both breasts removed. I guess I haven't gotten over the fact I don't have my breasts.
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Hi, franie:
There are lots of ladies who feel like you do; I think you just ought to do what you're comfortable with. I personally go flat...I feel like if I had to get my breasts amputated, I should at least not have to wear a stupid bra! It did take me awhile to get comfortable with it, though, and now I don't think anything about it. I actually almost like my flat chest!I think you just have to go with what feels best to you - we've been through enough already without having to try to please other people. So...forms, no forms, reconstruction, no reconstruction, I think we just ought to get to do what we want to do for a change.
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I agree completely, Suzybelle.
Franie, you have been through one of the worst nightmares of women. Now you can do whatever makes you feel the best!
Dawn
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Got my newest "tryout" today, the Silique 1st Choice microbead leisure forms in size 4. Wow, these are SUPER-LIGHT ... only 0.4 ounce, which makes them the lightest I've tried (exactly 1/2 the weight of an Amoena fiberfill puff-foob). I tried them in my 2 bras and one workable Target cami.
They worked great in my Anita Nastaja bra, in fact the only difference I felt between these and the Comfort-Lite forms (other than the weight) is that I like the feel of the slightly concave/flat back on the Comfort-Lite a bit better. But I will definitely be using the microbead forms in this bra for all but "state occasion" dressing (at that rate, my Comfort-Lites should last me for about 15-20 years! seriously)
In the Target cami which has a largish pocket, I would have liked to have more "projection" in front than the microbeads give.... but on the other hand they are lighter and far softer against my chest than the fiberfill foobs are.
And as usual, my Classique bra turned out to be the most annoying with this form as well. How an undersized pocket can end up having way more wrinkle/sag issues than the larger pocket in the same-size Anita, with the exact same form, I have no idea. I swear I'm going to buy some fiberfill and some fabric and try to run up some kind of custom foob myself on my sewing machine that might possibly end up being easy to insert (ha!), comfortable, and the proper shape for that annoying Classique pocket. Because other than Silique's fiberfill foob, I've run out of things to try in that bra.
Sure wish I hadn't been talked into buying two of the dratted things but at $40 each I hate to just toss them away.
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Lovemygarden, don't toss them away! I bet there is an organization close to you that will recycle them and get them to a breast cancer patient who can't afford to buy bras. The American Cancer Society will recycle them for you as well.
I had no idea going into this how many women have to struggle with the bras, forms, etc., because their insurance won't cover it, or else they have no insurance.
I had to laugh when I read your last post...you are a mastectomy bra/form EXPERT. I certainly never thought 6 months ago that I would know so much about that topic!!!!!
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Oh I am definitely NOT the expert here... that title has been well-earned by Erica/Barbara!
I'm just a newbie for sure.
I would definitely donate the bras if it came to that, but have one more "bought" foob to try, plus I do want to try making one myself sometime in the next few weeks. I see a trip to my local Jo-Ann store in my future!
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