Case manager with your insurance company
This may not be the right place to raise this issue, but has anyone used a case manager or cancer resource service through their insurance company? If so what was your experience.
I have started with this service through my insurance company and I am wondering what I should be aware of, cautious about, or generally know of.
Thanks, Boo
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I had one for a little while, but found her to be of no value, so after a few weeks quit calling her back. My onc, onc nurse and even onc pharmacist were very available to answer questions. And the few times I did talk to her she had nothing worthwhile to add. Plus I figured that my medical team was looking out for my health, whereas an insurance company employee would be looking to cut costs. I didn't trust her.
Right after I finished chemo, I had a mastectomy with a fairly involved reconstruction that made upper body movement very limited. She called to let me know that my insurance benefits would pay for a home health aid for a couple weeks. And then told me there was no way I would be able to find one (left unsaid was that I wouldn't be able to find out at the measly rate the insurance company was willing to pay). I didn't need one any way. I figured it was a ploy to get me out of the hospital sooner. My PS was very good at dealing with whoever makes those decisions - I was not rushed out at all. Telling me about a "benefit" that in practice doesn't exist was just aggravating.
I am probably a little paranoid, but I figure despite what they may tell you, insurance companies objectives only goal is to cut costs. Don't arm them with more information to use as ammunition.
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Thanks Orange1 and Madalyn,
That is kind of my take on the nice lady. I became suspicious when she wrote my onc and requested information about me. I gave her the onc's name and address, but didn't sign a release. My onc's nurse called and mailed the forms to me. Next thing I received forms in the mail for me to sign naming my insurer "case manager". I definately don't need anything like that.
Boo
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OK, you guys are in BIG TROUBLE now. (smile please). I had just retired 6 months previously as a casemanager RN for a nation wide insurance company. Sheesh. As soon as I was diagnosed with BC (in both breasts, long story......) I called one of my buddies who was ONC CM. I had no clue about my ER/PR HER2 status and definitely wanted someone to guide me thru the whole awful dreadful process. And I worked for this company, knew how they liked to deny or postpone paying for services ,etc......but the casemanager that I got was absolutely invaluable as I was a cardiac casemanager and knew diddly about BC.,
In my experience as a CCM (certified casemanager, took the exam when I was 55 for goodness sakes) , I called and inter acted with a lot of skeptical folks. I think they wanted to know just what I was all about. Well, I was all about helping people as we nurses tend to be "givers" rather than "takers." Some were afraid that I was going to report their status to their friends and employers, etc. I needed to sign a release, BOO, so that my CM could coordinate all my care, educate me, suggest what to say to the doctors, what questions to ask, etc. I found someone just like myself. (She eased me thru the whole awful terrible(insert swears here) horrifying experience. She talked me down when I was ready to lose it. She encouraged me. She offered valuable community resources. She was wonderful. She approved a MRI which was invaluable to me, hence the second BC dx)..To this day I feel I am blessed to have such a kind and caring person.
Read up on HIPPA. No one can disclose your medical info without your written consent. No one is going to know what is happening to you......except for your invaluable CM. And if you don't like her or him, request a new one.
Casemanagement is the NEW THING for insurance companies. They truly are priceless. I will admit some are truly useless; we all have slugs who we work with......but CMs are available to help their members, coordinate care, do education, soothe you when you need soothing, and generally help you.
I live in central MA and opted for treatment in Boston. VERY expensive. My CM applauded my decision. Wanted nothing but the BEST for me. Please please please re think your decision and feel free to contact me with any concerns.
OH and if they call you 3 months after you have had surgery.......double BOO to them. We were always "right on it" and even called our members when they were in the hospital.
Sue
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I had one. Like you I was suspicious at first, she mailed paperwork for me to sign, that I never signed or returned. But, she turned out to be a wealth of knowledge. She mailed me materials on reconstruction options but never tried to force any particular one. I live in a small town and drove to the city for a BS, which she applauded. I wanted a good oncologist as well and learned from her that the important thing in choosing the onco is that they follow nccn guidelines. I would not have known that without her. All in all, she has been very helpful...But I still havn't signed the paperwork for my case to be officially "managed care". I do think the actual nurse case manager is helpful, but I don't trust my insurance company, probably due in part to all the bad stuff we see on the news!
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Thanks everyone for your great thoughts and experience. Sue, you sound like a gem and I would have appreciated the service two years ago when I started this journey. As it is I have completed all standard care for my situation. I came across the cancer service with my new insurer this year when I inquired about how the payment for my participating in the Neratinib trial would be shared. The RN has been very helpful and I intend to continue having her help me as a liason with my insurer. I was just taken aback by the paperwork to make her my case manager, without ever having discussed it. I just got the forms to sign.
If I ever do need a case worker I think I will ask my sister, an RN, who did for my father when he was incapacitated.
Thanks ago for all your good thoughts.
Boo
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Hey, All, I was a GEM but got sooooo sick of people threatening to sue me because I would not approve child care in the home, electric stairs glides, fancy dancy walk in showers...... Gosh, it just was NOT a covered benefit. Day care? Are you kidding me?
To clarify: the CM that I got was not my buddy. She (my buddy) couldn't be my CM as she was a friend. I got referred on to someone who was not one bit familiar with my area. I live in MA; I think my casemanager was in IL but was nonetheless a godsend. I was just diagnosed. I also would be VERY wary of someone contacting me after I had finished treatment. My employer (my insurance company) used to look at the"high cost" users (I became one of them! darn..) and had us make outreach calls to them. Stupid, if you ask me. Once the treatment is done, there is no reason to call people.
As far as clinical trials go, in my experience, the patient pays nothing. Nor does the insurance company. My DH was in several trials (bad cardiac condition) and we paid for NADA. Any meds, ultrasounds, stress tests. echo cardiograms......were paid for by the facility. Just a word of caution, Boo, as any expenses might not be yours.
And I understand that so many of us think that our care is run by our doctors. I think the saddest thing in the US is that our care is, unfortunately, run by our insurance companies. I needed hearing aides. They were exclusively not covered. I think I could have contacted the human resources dept to get them covered as I need them for my job. I kept saying, to my members, "WHAT?" ...but I ended up just paying for them myself.
My best advice, as a human being, is to read the fine print. If you have any questions, call your toll free number on your card and talk to someone in member services. And try to get not only a first, but last name. Find out what is covered and what is not. We all have to be reponsible for the best care that we can get, within the realms of what our insurance will cover.
Blessings to all, Sue
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I can say I used my case manager. If I hadn't contacted her, I never would have gotten a copy of my insurance plan so I could make sure that I knew what was covered. (can u believe HR didn't even have a copy of the previous years plan let alone the current plan)
The doctors and nurses were definitely the best sources of info but the case worker was invaluable for me as a sounding board when I was trying to coordinate some non cancer doctors with the cancer folks.
I guess it really depends on each individual mangager and patient.
Hugs to you all.
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I had a CM and she really didn't do much for me at all. Not that she wasn't a nice person, but I did all my own contacting and researching. All she did was call me and ask what my next treatment dates were. Most times she called, I was too sick to talk to her and ended up calling her back and just leaving a message.
The one thing I needed help with, paying for Herceptin, she couldn't or didn't help me with. I thought a CM was a waste of the insurance company's money and I told them so.
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I requested a CM at the beginning. I thought it would help me coordinate everything through the insurance company. In my case, she seemed most concerned with me washing my vegetables thoroughly so I wouldn't catch something if I became neutropenic and end up in the hospital. She may have said more but that's all I remember.
We spoke twice or three times and then I never called back and she never called me either. So it wasn't much of anything for me.
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That's too bad if you have had bad experiences with case managers. I worked with some of the best! Now case management is the new big thing for most insurance companies. I really benefitted. I did a lot more education, especially to my cardiac members who had no idea what half of their medications were for, what an echo cardiogram was, etc. As an aside, I had a guy who confused coumadin, a blood thinner, with colace, a stool softener. If he got constipated, he told me he took 2 coumadin at night! Sheesh, I nearly had a nervous breakdown but was able to coordinate an immediate visit with his doc for some blood tests.......so I felt really good about myself that day, let me tell you. Sue
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The best advocate I had during my roller-coaster ride of BC and MRSA was my insurance company nurse/case-manager. She was a wonderful compassionate listener - she encouraged me to get my operative reports; when I was questioning why the doctors gave me such strong antibiotics, SHE looked up the information and told me I had MRSA in my abdominal incision (none of my many doctors EVER said the word mrsa to me). When I was unhappy with the nasty personality of the nurse practitioner at my original onc's office, she empowered me to find a new oncologist where I would be treated with more respect. She was an amazing person! After we switched insurance companies (to cover the hernia repair with out-of-network surgeons) - the new nurse/case-manager called to check up on me, but she was not as bright nor as personable. I felt she was just "doing a job". To this day, I miss my first nurse case-manager - someday I plan on digging through my old papers and calling her up to say "THANK YOU!"
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