Pesticide/Herbicide Free Lawn Care

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PS73
PS73 Member Posts: 469

Hey there, just wondering if anybody could shed some light on this subject for me.  My husband and I have concerns about the four step lawn programs available because of the pesticides and we are not sure if there is an organic type lawn program that is available. 

Has anybody been thru this yet?

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  • CrunchyPoodleMama
    CrunchyPoodleMama Member Posts: 1,220
    edited April 2010

    The big chemical lawn companies are starting to have "organic" programs, but from what I've heard they are overpriced and the salespeople try to dissuade people from using them. Also, I don't really think I trust a company that used to be called "Chemlawn" to use truly organic substances.... Wink

    What we're doing is:

    1. In spring and fall, spread an organic fertilizer (I've been using something called Lawns Alive which works beautifully)

    2. Brew some "compost tea" (Google it to find out more - it's awesome stuff - great for flowers, shrubs, veggies etc. too) and apply it a few times throughout the year

    3. Mow the lawn high... like 3"... which lets the grass thrive while choking off weeds

    4. In early spring, spread corn gluten meal which naturally prevents weeds from germinating (don't use this at the same time of any overseeding because it will cause grass seeds not to germinate too)

    5. Spot-spray any pesky weeds with an organic weed killer (or you can yank 'em out by the roots, or pour boiling water on them, or spritz with vinegar)

    6. I haven't done this yet but it's GREAT for improving soil quality, attracting earthworms (which naturally aerate your soil), which further fertilizes naturally etc... spread compost throughout the lawn. It will work its way down into the soil and really improve the quality.

    The great thing about going organic is that after a year or two, you can ease back on how much care you give it... because you're building microbe life and earthworm activity who will NATURALLY fertilize and aerate your soil. Microbes also make your soil more drought-tolerant and a lot of other benefits. With chemicals, you have to keep applying fertilizer or your grass will suffer... and meanwhile, those chemicals are deadening your soil. 

  • CrunchyPoodleMama
    CrunchyPoodleMama Member Posts: 1,220
    edited April 2010

    Forgot to mention, another product I tried last year and it seemed to work was Aerify Plus... it's good for clay soil especially if it's really compacted like mine was!

    I also found this line of organic lawn care stuff... haven't tried it but I plan to look into it:

    http://www.organiclawnsforamerica.com/Ola_Approved_Products_5AI6.html 

  • PS73
    PS73 Member Posts: 469
    edited April 2010

    Julia, awesome information!  Thanks sweetie.  I hope you are feeling ok :)

  • Jaybird627
    Jaybird627 Member Posts: 2,144
    edited April 2010

    I've used the company Organic Lawns of America and my lawn was nice. Unfortunately I had to stop using them for financial reasons. Have used corn gluten (available by mail if you can't find it locally) but only just last fall and I think it takes a year or two to really help to diminish weeds?

  • 3monstmama
    3monstmama Member Posts: 1,447
    edited April 2010

    Paying a small child a penny a piece to de-head the dandelions is a nice organic lawn fix, at least in our house.  And hot water on weeds works well too though be careful where you pour.  Crunchy poodle is correct about the height of the lawn:  a too short lawn [which most americans have] is a mecca for weeds but horrid for grasses.  Longer is better.

    If you really really want a lawn service instead of do-it-yourself, I'd check a health food store or food co-op.  Where we live, those places all have community bulleton boards where you can find ads for people offering organic gardening services.

    That said, personally, lawns are highly overrated.  They take LOTS of water to maintain and are a completely unnatural environment.  We are in the process of turning our front lawn into a veggie garden for organic veggies.

  • CrunchyPoodleMama
    CrunchyPoodleMama Member Posts: 1,220
    edited April 2010

    3monst, I feel the same way about the obsession with gigantic expanses of bright green lawn. Huge ecological resource drain. I'm all about edible landscaping (in fact just bought more strawberry plants and a fig tree today).

    That said, I have never once watered our Bermuda lawn, even during our two-year drought (and of course have never put chemicals on it), and it still looks great... and it's an important playground for my very active dogs who need a space where they can run and jump and roughhouse. So I do think lawns have their place and don't necessarily have to be water-hogs... but they should be appropriate to the climate and IMO should have a purpose (e.g. households with children or dogs) beyond just looking pretty.

    I'd love to see photos of your progress converting your lawn into an organic vegetable garden! Hopefully you're planting some fruit shrubs and trees too?

  • Claire_in_Seattle
    Claire_in_Seattle Member Posts: 4,570
    edited April 2010

    Use white clover in the lawn mixture for automatic nitrogen fixing.  Your lawn will grow just fine.  I never got why anyone would want to cut their lawn MORE OFTEN anyway.

    Clover will also act as a ground cover, and keep things moist underneath.  So less need to water to keep green.

    Weedkiller is for poison ivy.  Otherwise, why worry about any other plants.  Some are really pretty.  Dandelions make wonderful spring salads, so eat them instead.

    We make lawns far more difficult than they need to be.

  • PS73
    PS73 Member Posts: 469
    edited April 2010

    I don't think making a lawn pesticide free is overkill.  My husband and I enjoy being outside as much as possible and me tending to my flowers and garden is therapeutic just as tending to the lawn is therapeutic for him.

    We have a lot of land and we keep about fifty percent of it natural with shrubs, fruit trees, flowering trees, gardens, etc.  The rest, I want to run my feet thru in barefeet, let my friends kids play and have my dog and two cats roam freely without concern.  ...i love the thought of higher grass, in my head it looks prettier and lusher. 

    thanks for the feedback!

  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited April 2010

    Hi PS73 - this lawn tonic "recipe" was on our local news a while back, and my SIL swears by it for doing wonders for her lawn. I keep meaning to try it, but haven't yet!

    The "Lawn Tonic"

    -One full can of regular pop (any kind-no diet soda)

    -One full can of beer (no light beer)

    -1/2 Cup of Liquid dishwashing soap (do NOT use anti-bacterial dishwashing liquid)

    -1/2 Cup of household ammonia

    -1/2 Cup of mouthwash (any brand)

    -Pour into 10-gallon hose-end sprayer (other sizes will work too)

    -In high heat, apply every three weeks

    The liquid soap is a wetting agent, helping the formula penetrate to the roots. The ammonia promotes growth and turns your lawn green, and the mouthwash does something you would never suspect mouthwash would do. It kills the bugs and grubs. NOTE: Do NOT use anti-bacterial dishwashing liquid in the mixture as it will kill off important microbes in the lawn and soil that help "digest" thatch.

    "It essentially messes-up their re-productive cycles and keeps them out of your lawn and makes it look a lot better and leaves it minty fresh," laughs Heffron. And because it's applied with the hose sprayer, it's a direct shot to your sod. "When you don't have a lot of water and we're on watering restrictions, this is another way to get the nutrients to your lawn and keep it growing."Our lawns are getting enough water this spring to grow and stay green. But how will they fare when the heat hits in a few more weeks?
    Advertisement

    9News Consumer Reporter Mark Koebrich looks at a simple formula that many call a "tonic" for a drought stressed lawn. It's a formula you can mix yourself.

    It's made up of five common household products that you measure out into 10-gallon hose-end sprayer. A former Golf Course Groundskeeper who lives in Parker, Tim Heffron, found it while watching television years ago in Oklahoma. "I started using it about five years ago back in Oklahoma where it's 100 degrees every day, day in and day out," says Heffron.

    Heffron clearly has the best looking lawn in his neighborhood. He has no sprinkler system and only hand-waters his lawn sparingly. He does use small amounts of dry fertilizer as well.

    You'll find many similar formulas on the Internet, and we've listed some sights below, but this is a formula that seems to work well in Colorado.

    You can use any size hose-end sprayer you can find. Since our first story, many of the 10-gallon rated sprayers have sold out. The "10-gallon" size is just a reference to the hose-end sprayers capacity when under pressure from your hose. It does not mean the sprayer has a 10-gallon tank. Again, if you don't already have a hose-end sprayer (a device with a little plastic jug, usually about a quart to a quart-and-a-half in size, with a nozzle top that attaches to your hose) you can use any hose-end sprayer you can find. Just adjust the mixture accordingly if your sprayer holds less than the recipe calls for. Most homeowners are telling us they need two sprayers-full to cover 5,000 square feet, or the average lawn. But everyone's sprayer has a different flow rate. The tonic is best applied in the evening after you mow. You do not need to water it in as you're applying it with water and it's already going to the root

  • DianeKS
    DianeKS Member Posts: 241
    edited April 2010

    Hello 3monstmama,

      I just finished reading a book from the library called 'Edible Estates: Attack on the front lawn'  by Ritz Haeg. The before and after pictures are great and might give you ideas for your yard. There is also a website I can't remember but if you google edible estates it will find it for you.

      The book has some amazing eye opening facts about how much water, pesticides and money people in the states use each year.

      I live in Winnipeg, Canada so we are still waiting for the weather for gardening but good luck with your plans.

    Diane

  • DianeKS
    DianeKS Member Posts: 241
    edited April 2010

     oops, Fritz Haeg.

    D.

  • DianeKS
    DianeKS Member Posts: 241
    edited April 2010

    Hello 3monstmama,

      I just finished reading a book from the library called 'Edible Estates: Attack on the front lawn'  by Ritz Haeg. The before and after pictures are great and might give you ideas for your yard. There is also a website I can't remember but if you google edible estates it will find it for you.

      The book has some amazing eye opening facts about how much water, pesticides and money people in the states use each year.

      I live in Winnipeg, Canada so we are still waiting for the weather for gardening but good luck with your plans.

    Diane

  • PS73
    PS73 Member Posts: 469
    edited April 2010

    newme, do you know i thought you were messing with me?  I honestly did.  Ive actually used ivory liquid, an egg and water concoction to keep the deer away from my hostas. but as soon as it rains, its gone - and so are your hostas.  i think the above sounds bizzare. im thinking some chicken poop, rainwater and maybe some phosphorus or potassium (or something else of organic matter).  looking into the corn gluten.  ..apparently one farmer out of NC thinks coffee grind compost is better than chicken poop. 

    Diane - did your crocus start blooming yet?  How far behind are you?  Yes, I used to catch people using water on their lawn during a drought.  A garden is forgiveable but really, come on, a yard?  I would imagine its like a big red finger pointing at you if you had the only nice lawn on the street.

    You gotta love Spring. My tulips that I planted last fall just opened this week.  Even the herbs that the rabbits gorged on last year down to what I thought was nothing, have re-appeared.

  • asschercut
    asschercut Member Posts: 159
    edited April 2010

    I have kikuyu lawn/grass. It's indestructible. It's a vigorous runner grass, which requires weekly trimming and mowing in the warmer months. But it stays lush and green all year without any fertilizing or watering. I have a high maintenance highly manicured garden all year round...and it's nice not to have to water or fertilize my lawn - especially with our current water restrictions. I keep the weeds at bay by using organic sugar cane mulch...fabulous stuff. The worms love it - producing lots of nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium.

    Victoria
  • CrunchyPoodleMama
    CrunchyPoodleMama Member Posts: 1,220
    edited April 2010

    thenewme, the concept is good but that's a lot of chemicals (unnatural stuff in the soft drink, ammonia, and don't even get me started on mouthwash)... what I do instead is to use compost tea.

    Compost tea is compost mixed into water then aerated for a couple of days. It's basically a shot of beneficial microbes and nutrients for your lawn/plants.

    The idea is to take some compost, stir it into chlorine-free water (rainwater is ideal), and optionally add some unsulfured molasses which is food for the microbes. Aerate it for 2-3 days (I use a cheap aquarium pump), and then you have this brew of intensively rich "tea" for your plants. You can dilute it with more rainwater to make it go further, or put right into a watering can or sprayer and apply.

    Gardeners who are on to this compost tea secret go to great lengths to brew up a batch regularly for their plants, and even customize to provide specific nutrients (such as a nitrogen-rich version for their lawn).

    Here's a recipe I used several times last year with great results:

    5-gallon bucket almost full of dechlorinated water
    A big handful of compost
    A handful of alfalfa
    A tablespoon or two of used coffee grounds (has a beneficial fungus that fights off harmful fungi)
    A handful of corn meal (feeds beneficial fungi to chase away the bad fungi)
    A tablespoon or two of molasses (to feed the beneficial microbes and make them multiply like crazy)
    A T or two of kelp (great nutrients)
    A bit of Black Kow composted manure

    Brew for 2 days then apply.

    On an organic gardening forum last year, a woman posted photos of two batches of vegetables she was growing... one with her regular organic treatments and one with all that plus compost tea. The compost tea vegetables were spectacular... they grew larger and lusher and the peppers were beautiful and plentiful. I first tried compost tea because I had gigantic patches of dollar fungus on the lawn (as did everyone in my neighborhood). The above "beneficial fungal" recipe cleared up my dollar fungus beautifully and my lawn was greener than the next-door neighbor who uses Chemlawn.

  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited April 2010

    PS73- LOL, too funny!  Nope, not messing with you.  I know it sounds bizarre, but I'm going to try it.  My SIL's lawn really looks great after using it.  I'm certainly not worried about using mouthwash chemicals and 7-up on my grass. 

    You should check out www.motherearthnews.com for lots of good organic gardening tips - maybe something there for your deer problem? And hey, why not mix the coffee grounds with chicken poo - get the best of both worlds! Seriously - do you compost?

    I use compost tea for my garden, and banana peels are great for tomato plants - high in potassium and phosphorus.  

  • 3monstmama
    3monstmama Member Posts: 1,447
    edited April 2010

    The Tonic mix of soda pop, amonia and the like is one of the concoctions of a man named Jerry Baker who used to be on PBS alot [at least on the East Coast] and who was known as America's Master Gardener. I think he still has a website with lots of his stuff.  But he was the first to come up with a lot of that information---I remember it being a big deal at pledge drive when he would give out his recipes.  You can also find organic gardening info on the website for "the Victory Garden" which is another PBS gardening show that has been running for YEARS.

    Would agree about the MotherEarth New for organic gardening tips.  Also if you have community gardens in your town/city most of those are filled with people who are big on organic gardening and happy to share their knowledge.

    I used to be in a community garden.  You don't really need an elaborate airation system to make compost tea--you can get good results by tying the ingrediants in a muslin piece and dunking it alot and stirring it.  [my community garden lacked electricity!]

    As far as hostas and deer are concerned, I believe blood meal is supposed to work well on detering deer.  it also works as fertiziler.  And yes, you do have to reapply but for the most part, you'd have to reapply the nasty chemicals too so why not go with the non-toxic option?

  • CrunchyPoodleMama
    CrunchyPoodleMama Member Posts: 1,220
    edited April 2010

    You don't really need an elaborate airation system to make compost tea--you can get good results by tying the ingrediants in a muslin piece and dunking it alot and stirring it.

    Yep, that will work too as long as you stir it frequently enough to keep it from going anaerobic. The main thing is to keep whipping air into it to allow the microorganisms to flourish. I agree that you don't need an elaborate aeration system. I wouldn't call my little $2.97 aquarium pump elaborate. Smile(I've seen compost tea "brewing systems" sell for hundreds of dollars, which is a complete rip-off!)

    Thanks for the tip about blood meal. I have some but had forgotten what it's used for. Unfortunately, one of my puppies LOVES the taste of it... eww!! Tongue out

  • PS73
    PS73 Member Posts: 469
    edited April 2010

    wow, you guys are awesome, thanks!

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