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jgreen4
jgreen4 Member Posts: 8

My 28 year old daughter received positive results from her BRCA1 & 2. Because of family history of cancers, severe fibrocystic breast disease, and the test results, she has been advised by her PCP to have a bilat mast.  She sees a gyn/oncologist in a couple of weeks for consultation.

Does anyone have ideas on questions she should be asking of the dr?  She was given very clear and detailed information about the genetic test results themselves but isn't certain what she should ask/know/consider prior to scheduling the mastectomy.  I chose lumpectomy and adjunct  therapy for my cancer so I don't really have the personal knowledge to help advise her.

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  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited March 2010

    I'm sorry that your daughter got this news. 

    What your daughter needs to talk to her gyn and oncologist about are her options.  Some women choose to have a bilateral mastectomy and an ooph while other women prefer to enter a high risk screening program.   Her PCP probably mentioned a bilateral mastectomy because many people think that's the only real option for those who are BRCA positive, but that's not the case - it really is a question of what your risk is and how you would prefer to address that risk. The risk profile of the BRCA1 mutation and the BRCA2 mutation can be quite different - the breast cancer and ovarian cancer risks associated with the BRCA1 mutation are higher.  Do you know which one she tested positive for?  If not, this is something she should ask about.  And my understanding is that even within the BRCA1 (or BRCA2) mutation, there can be fairly significant differences in individual risk levels, depending on the specific variation that you test positive for.  So what your daughter needs to understand is what her specific risks are, both for breast cancer and for ovarian cancer.  What she decides to do, and when she decides to do it, might be quite different depending on whether she has a 30% BC risk or a 65% BC risk.  Hopefullly the oncologist will be able to explain this; if not, these are questions that your daughter should get answered by a genetic counsellor.

    Here is some information about the BRCA1 and BRCA2 genetic mutations:  http://cancer.stanford.edu/information/geneticsAndCancer/types/herbocs.html

    And here is a link to a great website that is specifically for women who are BCRA positive: http://www.facingourrisk.org/

  • jgreen4
    jgreen4 Member Posts: 8
    edited March 2010

    The daughter tested positive for both BRCA 1 and 2. Increased individual risk of 44% for ovarian cancer, 87% increased risk of breast cancer (basically, 1 in 2 chance of being DX). Family history of both.

    Dr. advised waiting on the ooph because of her age.  Since she has such severe fibrocystic breast disease (even causing hormonal issues) the dr said mammo wouldn't pick up any suspicious tumors in her breasts and while an MRI would be better, still  not 100%. Mast is really the way to go for her.

    So, any ideas for questions she should bring up to the onc?

  • AnacortesGirl
    AnacortesGirl Member Posts: 1,758
    edited March 2010

    I would use the visit with the onc to confirm the recommendations of the PCP.  Unfortunately, many are not current with BC and breast issues so their thoughts may be dated.  Hopefully yours is an exception.

    Even after a bilat mast there is still the need for survelliance.  When I visited with my breast surgeon a week ago I asked how much breast tissue will be left behind and she said about 5%.  A bilat mast does not eliminate all the risk. This would be an area you should discuss.

    Beesie -

    I agreed wholeheartedly with what you wrote but I do question the stats on BC for BACR 2 that the Stanford link shows.  Everything I've read indicates that the risk of BC is actually higher for BACR 2 than 1.  As opposed to the ovarian which is much higher for BACR 1.

    Here's a link to an abstract from the European Breast Cancer Conference that I was just reviewing this morning.  The stats I saw in this abstract are in line with everything else I've seen.  The name of the paper is "Penetrance of breast cancer, ovarian cancer and contralateral breast cancer in BRCA1 and BRCA2 families".

    http://ex2.excerptamedica.com/ciw-10ebcc/index.cfm?fuseaction=CIS2002&hoofdnav=Abstracts&content=abs.details&what=FREE TEXT&searchtext=brca&topicselected=*&selection=ABSTRACT&qryStartRowDetail=20

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited March 2010

    AnacortesGirl, thanks for the link to that article.  I know that I've read before that the BRCA1 gene presents a higher risk of BC so I didn't question the Stanford site.  Since reading the article that you've linked, I've been investigating further.  I think the discrepancies are caused by a number of things:

    -  New studies are being released regularly which increase our knowledge and possibly change our understanding of the risks associated with the BRCA1 and BRCA2 genes.  Looking at a few different studies, I've noticed than none have the same results.

    - It appears that the BRCA1 mutation may present a more consistent risk while there may be a wider range of risk assocated with the BRCA2 mutation.  This article suggests that the BC risk from the BRCA1 gene is 60% whereas the risk from the BRCA2 gene ranges from 30% to 80%. http://ww5.komen.org/KomenNewsArticle.aspx?id=7926  I know of someone who is BRCA2 positive and she was told that with her particular variant, the risk is in the range of 25% - 30%. 

    - It also appears that the risk may vary by age.  This article suggests that up to age 30 women have a higher risk from the BRCA2 mutation, but from age 30 to age 50, the BRCA1 mutation presents a greater risk.  The riskiest years for the BRCA2 mutation appear to be in one's 50s.  So it could be that the different results in the many studies are due to different age demographics among the women in the study.     http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/bookshelf/br.fcgi?book=gene&part=brca1 

    2) Because of all of the above, a lot of the articles that discuss the BRCA genes simply talk about average risk, as in "the average BC risk for a woman with the BRCA1 mutation is...".   These averages can vary a lot depending on which studies have been used to compile the average.  Another approach of some of the websites is to simply say that the BC risk is the same for both the BRCA1 mutation and the BRCA2 mutation.  These two sites both say that the risk is 60%: http://www.breastcancer.org/risk/genetic/bcrisk_abnrml_genes.jsp and  http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/BRCA

    So my conclusion from all this is that the BC risk from the BRCA1 mutation might be higher than, lower than or the same as the risk from the BRCA2 mutation.  Undecided  Now my curiosity is up so I'm going to keep digging to see what else I can find.  I do agree that there seems to be consistency about ovarian cancer risk - it is higher with the BRCA1 mutation.

    jgreen4, with your daughter testing positive for both the BRCA1 and BRCA2 mutations, it does seem as though a bilateral mastectomy would be the usual course of action.  In addition to the comments and suggestions from AnacostesGirl, something else for your daughter to consider is whether she wants reconstruction, and if so, whether she wants immediate reconstruction.  With prophylactic mastectomies, this should be an option for her, if she chooses.

  • AnacortesGirl
    AnacortesGirl Member Posts: 1,758
    edited March 2010

    Beesie -

    Those are some excellent links!  Took me a while to get through them, especially when I started going off on some of the other reference links. They re-confirm the conclusion we came to -- the best determination of risk is your own family history.  Not only is the information on specific mutations scant (my daughter found 6 families that had been researched with our mutation) but the overall family genetics probably plays a big role in determining when or if a gene mutation carrier will get breast or ovarian cancer.

    jgreen4 - 

    I was thinking about the ovarian risk vs the BC risk that your daughter faces.  It might be good to ask the onc which risk is greater and which should be dealt with first.  I know 28 is an early age to be talking about oophectomy but there have also been studies which show a significant decrease in the risk of breast cancer when a preventive oomph has been performed.  Ovarian cancer, as a general rule, is usually more deadly than BC which can often be detected at a much early stage.  Especially with high surveillance.  You may find the following link interesting:

    http://www.ohanlan.com/what_if_br_ca.htm  

  • LISAMG
    LISAMG Member Posts: 639
    edited March 2010

    jgreen,

    Being that your daughter is only 28, she has time to gather all the facts, seek consults/opinions with BRCA savvy doctors [breast surgical oncologist and gyn oncologist] and then decide what she wants for herself. Three recommendations: seek support from www.bebrightpink.org , an organization devoted specifically to young women having a predisposition to hereditary cancer who have unique concerns/needs. Purchase a copy of the newly released book for her, "Positive Results", by Joi Morris...A must read! This book is a fabulous all inclusive empowerment wealth of knowledge for high risk women facing choices and how to make the right choice for themselves. Lastly, explore the FORCE web site @ www.facingourrisk.org , another amazing organization, mentioned previously. There are support messageboards, quarterly newsletters, an annual 2 day upcoming conference to be held in June, and local outreach support groups, just to name a few offerings. Most importantly, your daughter needs to know she has SO many options available and not all of them will be given to her by certain docs. This is especially true with breast reconstruction with choices of nipple sparing vs. skin sparing. Has she had a baseline breast MRI done yet? This is probably the most important diagnostic surveillance tool currently available for high risk women along with CA125 and TVU's for OVCA monitoring. By the way, does your daughter's mutation come from you or her father's side?

    Best wishes to both of you!

  • mawhinney
    mawhinney Member Posts: 1,377
    edited March 2010

    You will more than likely be seeing an whole team of doctors.Your PCP and your GYN are the first line of defense.   From that point you will need to talk to surgeons aand oncologists.  There are mny types of oncologists. There are medical oncologists that handle medications &  chemo, there are oncologists that handle radiation, and there are surgical oncologists that handle the surgery.  Try to find a surgical oncologist that has a special interest in the breast. You will also want to talk to  Plastic Surgeons. Keep in mind that not all doctors preform all available procedures. Most doctors have techniques that they have been trained in doing & that is what they will recommend.  Ask how often the doctor has preformed the technique he/she is recommending.

    Some cancer centers use a team approach where all the doctors on your team work together and meet regularly to discuss& review your case & treatment. A nurse navigator often coordinates your care.  Sort of many eyes looking out for your welfare. 

    I broke the process down into steps. I make a list of questions for each doctor I am seeing & take my written list of questions to each visit.  Oftentimes, it helps to have someone with you to take notes and jot down answers.  I keep notepads around my house and jot down questions when I think of them.

    You can contact various cancer organizations and ask for materials that usually include a list of questions.  Some organization will connect you with others that have had the procedures you are considering & they can be a good source of information.

  • jgreen4
    jgreen4 Member Posts: 8
    edited March 2010

    lisamg- The daughter is scheduled for a baseline MRI.  The gene definitley comes from my side of the family.  We said when she was tested, it would only be a surprise if the test result was neg.  Her dr. had suggested she do it anyway so he could justify requests for preventative and diagnostic tests.  You know how reluctant insurance is to pay for a young woman to have these types of tests!

    To all - I told the daughter I would ask the group here for help and information. When I was going through my breast cancer treatment, I came here for answers to many of my questions and took away strength in knowledge and support from the members. I knew you would be here for the daugher, too

    . I'll share all this info, the links, and book recommendation, with her. I know it will be a comfort to have something solid in hand and in mind to take to her first oncologist appointment.

     Thank you all....... be well.

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