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I love my new community, I find it so helpful to be able to reach out to all these wonderful folks in similar situations....but I feel a little isolated too. Would really like to connect with others coming from the same offline communities as me- I know I can't be the only one out here!! Just a try....
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Jessamine,
You are not alone! And I'm certain there will be plenty more besides you and me here.
Chemo allowed me to free my closeted inner punk. Knowing my waist-length hair (great disguise) was going away, I went for the 4" blue mohawk I'd always wanted. It was a thing of beauty that lasted two weeks before falling out. I'd just started a new job (govt desk drone - I wasn't quite up to continuing as a firefighter during treatment) and even folks who didn't know about the cancer were pretty excited about my hairdo. Surprising, considering I live in a small, conservative, western ranch town. My dad came to visit and saw the hawk and learned about my full-back tattoo, as well. He took it like a champ.
I figure, we can sulk, or we can use cancer as an excuse to have a lot of fun, because who gives a bleep what anyone else thinks? Stay strong, sister!
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well maybe not plenty more, but hi- it's nice to hear from you. yeah all these years, i never thought i'd shave my head now! but here i am a little skinhead gal! for now at least, looking forward to fuzzy regrowth. how are you? Almost through treatment i hope? (looking at yr dx date)
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Hmm, yes, not quite the showing I thought this topic would have. Especially considering it's now about 1 in 7 women getting BC in her lifetime (from 1 in 20, 20 years ago). Perhaps because BC survivors are not an invisible minority anymore, and neither are punks, feminartsy-lesbo-druids,and other formerly marginalized fringe sects, there isn't a sensed need to band together. Plenty of lurkers, though, looking at the number of views we've received.
I finished chemo (T-C-H) in November, refused radiation, doing Herceptin (for the HER2+) through June, and I'm going to refuse Tamoxifen. (Check the "bottle o' Tamoxifen" thread if you're curious why.) I've got one breast and a bunch of scars that I've become fond of. Thinking I'll probably skip reconstruction. Doc says "But someday you may want to wear a low-cut evening gown." Hey, I've never worn one before, why would I start now? I was self-conscious at first, but now I wear tank tops or whatever and just let people wonder. Uniboob has become part of self expression. Scars are more cool than tattoos - they declare your ability to survive. No Future is one punk motto I don't hold to anymore. I intend to stick around a while.
Since you did bi-mx, are you getting retrofit-tits or are you rocking the monokini at the beach now? How are you feeling? (With apologies for asking that if you're still in the stage of feeling like punching anyone who asks.)
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hi! yeah, you would think there'd be more of us...but maybe people just aren't doing support/online stuff, or...? I know it took me a long time to find this. Actually I think it's probably the age thing. But in answer to your question 1) I haven't actually had surgery yet but 2) I am going to get implants. I wanted very much to do tissue reconstruction but wouldn't have ever had enough to do it bilat. and then lost 30 lbs during chemo, soo.... I thought about not doing anything and had a really hard time with the idea of implants (me? with plastic boobs?? I really never would've thought) but I just....I realized it was important to me. And I did the research and I feel like it's safe. Plus if I do it now I get to keep my nipples! So I'm doing surgery end of apr.
As for how I'm feeling, crappy right now (last round of chemo still doing a number on me) but actually pretty optimistic. Everything looked so bad at the beginning and was so scary, with the nodes and just everything, but now...I had a great response to chemo, I feel better...I feel pretty ok. You sound like you have things pretty well set for yourself too- how are you?
Like you said, it seems weird that there aren't more of us. The more i learn about the stats and everything, the harder I find it to believe I'm the first person I know to go thru this. I mean, I personally know, at least marginally, hundreds and hundreds of people thru alternative communities and out of all them..just me. So it's nice to hear from you. If you feel ok about it I want to ask where you live and stuff, but it's ok if you're not up for all that too. PM me if you prefer. xoxo
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Hello you two,
Well, I've never posted in any of these forums, so this is a bit new to me. I was diagnosed last January, and have gone through my bilateral mastectomy and chemotherapy. I opted for reconstruction, even though i did like the look of my absolutely flat chest. I just got the implants in this January and they're...ok. I like them more as the reconstruction goes along. But you're right, plastic boobs are weird! I'm till not totally stoked on my scars, but i'm getting to appreciate them. Jessamine, how are you able to keep your nipples? Isn't it part of the the breast tissue they need to remove?
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A lot of places won't do the nipple sparing because they can't get enough tissue but I just happen to live in san francisco, which is apparently ground zero for breast cancer treatment innovations so it's pretty much standard at the hospital i'm at, as long as your cancer isn't too close to it. Apparently my surgeon is a genius at skin sparing techniques. Which is again, just awesome luck on my part. I had no idea all this was going on here until I was pretty far along into having this and started realiziing how far ahead of the books and stuff the options I was being offered were.
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Good on you, both, for figuring out what you need to do to feel "real" again. If I had done bi-mx I would certainly be more inclined to get reconstructed, and sometimes I think that would have been the smarter way to go. I don't have the BC gene though, so the left breast got to stay and play. (My boyfriend now calls me Lefty, or Spike, or Skin, and he treats me exactly the same as or maybe even closer than before surgery, so that has resolved the initial insecurity I felt about being deformed.) Part of why I don't want to let the plastic surgeon try to "fix" anything is that he said they don't make implants small enough to match my AA, so he wants to enlarge the left at the same time. I still have one nipple that works and I'd like to keep it that way. After ten months I'm finally starting to get some sensation back in the scar-zone, and I don't want to go back to being completely numb.
I had never realized before all this how implicitly women are defined by their breasts. Whether by social pressure (my brothers all thought I should get implants so I could feel "whole" again) or just from our own self-image (I spent a while feeling like I was an IT, not a girl anymore). I'm incredibly lucky to have a guy who, when asked if I should get new boobs, said "Can you get ones that spin around and change colors?" I'm not saying I would never change my mind, but I'm relieved to defer the decision for the forseeable future.
Jessamine - your post just came up while I was writing this. It's good that you have docs able to do the nifty whizbang stuff! What size is your tumor now that you've had chemo? Tumor shrinking before surgery seems like the best way to go at this BC business, and I'm not sure now why that wasn't offered to me. Maybe just the aggressiveness of the cancer I had, and the fact it was right behind the nipple. But I know two women here who've had pre-chemo and then lumpectomies, and they're doing fabulous. (My friend who's a yoga instructor put together a Yoga for Bald Chicks class when I got diagnosed. So I know the other four survivors in town.)
Abrazos y amor, ladies!
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kia- my tumor is now, post chemo, non-palpable! which is to say I had an INCREDIBLE response to chemo- my onc says top 5% he's seen. So yay for that- I honestly think the tons and tons of supplements/herbs/and strict dietary stuff are responsible, and having a really good support system. But there's certainly an element of dumb luck as well. As for the surgery stuff, tho, they said they'd do the nipple sparing , etc, back when it was still 3,4 cm, before chemo. I never considered lumpectomy, both b/c of the gene tests and b/c I will do a lot to avoid radiation. There is still the outside chance that after surg. they'll recommmend rads, which would be a really tough decision for me, but probably not.
Totally you should leave 1 boob alone if you can!! I may get to keep my nipples, but the odds of ever regaining sensation are low..not impossible, but low. I'm hopeful though. It happens- I think if I do a lot of nerve-regrowing supportive stuff, it could help my chances. BUt cosmetic stuff is worth a lot to me- I'm just a femme! I like being tough and fixing cars and carryiing amps, but when it comes to my sexuality, I accepted my femme-ness long ago. I tried to imagine no rconstruction, but it just made me cry. So...
But I htink it's great that you were able to get past all the "you should"s and figure out whatwas right for you. I've met a lot of ladies in the support groups who went the no recnstr. route and love it- including some who got 1 off time of dx, then later decided to just get the other off too for symmetry. And studies actually show people who don't don't choose rec. being as happy or happier with their bodies down the line. I think it's a really under recognized valid choice. So yay you!
BTW I did look at yr tamox posts and it doesn't look like yr actually considering it but just in case- I would like to come out strongly AGAINST opphorectomy. Would be happy to elaborate, but probably no need.
xo
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hmm, thats pretty cool that you get to keep the nipples. My onc told me that it was all part of the breast tissue that needed to be removed, but maybe that had to do with the location of the tumour (right beside the nipple), the grade and my age? Will you be able to breastfeed? Its awesome that you have such an amazing surgeon and had such a great reaction to the chemo!
Our society is definitely a bit obsessed with breasts. I remember deciding that i wanted a bilateral mastectomy the day i found out, but the only people who agreed and were 100% supportive of my decision was my boyfriend and my step-dad (my step-dad's mom died from breast cancer when she opted for a lumpectomy over a mastectomy and it came back in with a vengance). My mom was heartbroken that i wouldn't be able to breast feed and my doctors just kept asking, "are you sure? It seemed like a no-brainer to me given the grade of the cancer and my age.
Your b/f sounds hilarious-best response ever!. Definitely don't let them mess with your other breast if its unnecessary! When did you get the gene testing done? I'm just getting mine done now and its going to take about a year for the results to come it.
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no breastfeeding- they'll be just shells you know- strictly cosmetic. The idea is that there is no remaining breast tissue despite keeping the outside of the nipple. But I'm not looking to have kids anyway which has made a lot of this a lot easier for me.
Why would it take a year to get your gene tests back????? I got mine in 2 weeks i think- maybe 3! That sounds crazy!! Maybe it's a different kind of test?? I got the BRCA tests. Is that what they're giving you?
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hey bri- how long did it take you to recover from surgery? did you use any special pillows or camisoles or any of that? was it really hard to sleep?
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J - I tried to send a PM, but it wouldn't let me type in the TO window. If you can send me one, hopefully I can just reply to it. I'm reluctant to post my location because I live in such a tiny town that it's important to keep some things private or else forever be labelled by the concensus. I'm actually a closet straight person. Most people here think I'm butch (which I am socially, but not sexually - confused yet?), and accept me affectionately and leave my personal life out of conversation, which is how I like it. My b/f and I have to remain completely hidden b/c we work together. Hence, all this silly secrecy.
All the B-vitamins are helpful with nerve function, in case that's not already in your regimen. You know, for a while there when implants were first suggested, I had some exciting fantasies about how nice it would be to finally have big, pretty breasts. If I could have them without the recovery time and risks, and knew they were going to match and the nipple would remain sensitive, then I'd be planning it right now. I wish you the best of fun with yours!
I would like to hear your view on oopherectomy, if you're willing to share it. I haven't researched it too much, and was going to have it done at the same time as the mx (because I also had a hysterectomy due to a large benign tumor and figured I'd just get everything out), but my onc talked me OUT of it. He said my ovaries might recover post-chemo (which they have) to the benefit of brain and bones.
Bri - my BRCA test took 3 weeks, also. I had it done through Myriad Laboratories, and it was hella expensive. Hope you can get results sooner but cheaper!
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I'm not exactly sure why it would take so long except that I'm getting it done for free, through our health care system (Canada) and not through private insurance. I can't remember what genes they are testing for.. there was two that started with "B" and one that started with "P". Maybe a bit different than usual due to family history? Its not really a rush to find out anyways since i've done the treatment for the breast cancer-its more to find out regarding my ovaries and regardless of the outcome i wasn't planning to get those removed until my 30s (if it is deemed necessary).
I recovered from surgery pretty quickly (had my drains out in 5 days, was back at the gym in 2 months?), but its taken me a while to get my arm strength back. They lift up your breast muscle to put in the expanders/impants and it had a huge impact on my upper body strenght, especially since you'll start to get your strenght back through physio etc. and then you have to go in for another surgery/take more time off from the gym for recovery. I think the worst part of the recovery was the drains. Oh, i hated them so so much! The first surgery was the worst because I just wore a loose shirt and had the drains safety pinned to it, I was so paranoid that i was going to accidentaly rip them out. For the second surgery (when i got my implants in) the hospital gave me this really snug/strechy ruched tube top with velcro on the sides for easy removal and loops on either side so that i could pin up my drains. Just having everything really tight to my body made me feel way more comfortable and secure, i would really recommend getting something simiar. I also used a ton of really firm pillows to help prop me up because it felt really uncomfortable to be laying flat on my back. Sleeping was pretty hard for the first couple of days but i did have some herbal help...
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KIA- good for your onc! One of the most disturbing things, to me, about the ooophorectomys is that they are kind of a trend in treatment right now, meaning they're trying to get just everyone with hormone + BC to have them when it's actually only appropriate in a small number of cases. But it's the new thing, and a few years from now my guess is that a lot of bad results are going to pile up and they'll reconsider and say, I can't believe we used to do that so recklessly, like they reaize now about HRT or full scale lymph removal. ANyway- I had one because of my BRCA Status (and b/c my tumor was not just er/pr+ but over 95%+ for both) and b/c they found a giant tumor on one of them and didn't know what it was (similar maybe to what hapened to you?)- they were afraid it was malignant and we needed to figure it all out pre chemo and there was a big rush to get me in chemo due to the size and aggressiveness of my tumor and I had it done on a weeks notice basicaly.
BUT ANYWAY- if not for the genes I would never have done it, because the research i've done seems to suggest that the risks are much bigger than the benefit- especially the heart disease piece. Heart disease remains the number one killer of american women, way above BC, and they don't know why the oophs cause it or how to stop it from happening. The increased osteoperosis bit is also huge- especially in younger women. You get the ooph and your bones start breaking down like those of a 50, 60 yr old- but they have to last, hopefully, for 50 more years instead of 20. It just isn't workable! And then there's all the other things that come with menopause, which are amplified many times over by both the abruptness of surgical menopause and the severity of it- in a natural menopause there is still some production of est and progest. but after the ooph -none! I have hot flashes constantly, dry skin, and most upsetting, this terrible thing called vaginal wall thinnning. I now have a device called the estring which has helped a lot, but it was painful (very!) to have even, um this is graphic sorry, but even a finger inside me, for months before I sorted this out. I had no sex drive, and even now I have to use lube all the time ( never an issue before). And yeah , i got the estring, but i have to use them all the time maybe forever and they're not free you know? Also, this doesn't apply to you, but there's an increased risk of uterine displasia, i think it is , which is apparently quite unpleasant.
That's about all I have to say to that. I just think it's a drastic surgery to undertake for not all that drastic benefits as directly result to the BC - the AI drugs can do the same thing, with less side risk.
BRI86 - those sound like the same tests ( though the P one- i can't remember what it's called either but i remember that one though i didn't get it- is a bit rarer and maybe more complicated)- this must be some canadian thing. But it doesn't sound as if there's any rush so I guess it doesn't matter.
Thanks for the info about yr surgery- i have been trying to figure out if it's worth spending the money for one of these special post surgery tops that people on here all talk about being so great, and I think you just sold me on it.Thanks!
BTW I am totally getting bigger boobs than I have now. Why not right? Plus it makes it not just awful to look forward to- I'm kind of excited about that part!
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J - Thanks for the anti-oophx advice! Hopefully your bod will sort out how to get back to normal and hotflashes won't last too much longer. I was experiencing the same symptoms on chemo and begged for an estring. I filled the rx but was scared to use it, and then my symptoms all started to resolve about 2 months after my last chemo dose, so it's still unopened in the box. I'll send it to you if you want. (If we can figure out how to mail to an anonymous address, or whatever.) I've heard that coconut oil is good taken as a supplement for dry skin, and I can vouch for its effectiveness as lube (plus it tastes good:)
I'm betting you're already taking extra calcium for bone strength, but have you added extra Vit-D as well? It helps calcium absorption, plus I read a study this week that suggested a big reduction in cancer risk from getting at least 4000 IU of vit-D per day. Unless we live in the tropics or work in agriculture, it's unlikely we're getting that much without supplements. I'll try to relocate that paper; I think the reduction was 50%, but I may be confusing it with the research on fruit/veggie/exercise regimen.
Did you ladies find that one side effect of chemo was an insomniac compulsion to search out every bit of relevant research posted on-line? I thought I was past that, but now I'm sucked back in, looking for journal articles that justify refusing Tamoxifen and suggest alternatives to it.
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Hey, hermanas locas, I was just over on the Bottle o' Tamoxifen page (under the hormone treatment forum) and there was a really good volley of posts about vitamin D. Too detailed to paraphrase here, so I strongly recommend you take a look. Apparently, latest findings are that vit-D deficiency is linked to cancer, and almost nobody north of the tropics gets enough without supplementing a LOT more than the RDA. Even my onc mentioned this, and wants to check my levels next time we do bloodwork.
xoyox
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I'm taking lots! I take the D3- apparently easier to absorb. Thanks!!
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Hi ladies, I just wanted to say hello to all. Ya'll seem pretty friendly and I don't normally say ya'll it just fit at the time.
Little about me. I'm Bostonian, 30's, IDC, grade 3, I don't talk to much about exact stuff, this is a public form so I try not to get into specifics. I learned that some people who lurk out hear also can just be downright mean. Just a couple of weeks ago there was a couple of post making fun of women with BC? They actually made a profile up, said they had IBC and the whole thing was a joke, just mocking IBC. How crazy is that? Anyway, just looking for some friendly peeps. Who are going through the same thing, queer, straight, punk, trans, bi, just friendly peeps.
Have a good weekend!
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hey you! lovely to meet...I can't believe that!! That is a weird and terrible story...but love to have you around here.
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No worries Jess, and thank you for the welcome, just showing the thread some love....it seemed lonely, hope everyone's doing well here and living in the moment. I say that so I too will remember to do that, goodnight, CS
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To reply to the person that was making fun of people with breast cancer: I many times in my life have had to eat my words, hate it for you! I am above arguing with ignorance, it is a lost cause. As for the many brave ladies that have battled or are battling BC, I am a better person for coming through this battle not once, but twice. I am a stronger person, and BC does not define me and it will not destroy me, nor will the words of ignorance. Stay strong girls! And take advantage of the free boob job, the first time I went bigger, but it was hard to find bras and clothes, so this time I went smaller, and yes, I am planning on rocking the monokini!!!!!
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Dana, thanks for the including your tough and cheerful spirit here!
Jessamine - just got back from AK (the mosquitos are as huge as they say, but not bad when dipped in dark chocolate. Denali is big magic made of sky and quiet and light.) Will write you back when my brain demooshifies from 18 hours of airports. I'm bouncing a message off the moon to you: love and healing strength and beautiful new foobs coming your way tomorrow! oxo
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thank you for thinking of me kia.
I'm scared. But I know I'll be ok.
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Hey, Jess, how are you doing? (very gentle) hugs (mind those lovely new jugs).
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just got home. lotta pain, lotta painkillers lotta sleep. time for more. thabks {{{<3}}}}
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Hey Jess,
I've been there (((((HUG)))) Let me know if you have any questions at all, the drains suck but you will get through it The pain also wanes. I took oxycodone and it helped, make sure you are taking some natural laxitives, any questions pm me sister, CS
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Hi! Just wanted to chime in. DH and I used to be a little punk in our younger days - since the kids came along, we don't get out enough to be much of anything LOL! It does my heart good to hear of the blue hawk, though! When I thought I was going to have to do chemo, I had a few ideas for my "transition" and wigs ... I have to admit I was all too happy to give up those dreams though.
Hopefully you are feeling a little better since your last post jessamine. The first week or so was definitely the worst - especially since you had the expanders put in, too. I had my bilateral first, then expanders later (due to the chemo/radiation debate prior to sx), and I have to say the expanders and drains were by far the worst physically. I'm happy to report that a week out from exchange, it's much more comfortable! I wasn't able to keep my nips as the cancer was too close, but am planning to get a normal tatoo on the cancer side (not nips) and rock the "Barbie look" on the prophy side - after all, who am I trying to kid really?
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I am MUCH BETTER thank you- doing remarkably well in fact, I think. When I thought I wasn't going to get to keep my nipples I had hoped to get nipple colored and looking but asterick shaped (around the edges) tattoos...stil think it would've been cool looking. Subtle, you know?
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Hey, J, attakid!! Makes me happy to know you're sailing right on through! I needed some good news, and you're exactly that! Abrazos y amor, hermanita!
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