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I'll have to see if the taste if different with chicken broth. It is saltier. So far salt isn't my problem so I don't watch it except to avoid bloating.
I don't know about that high fiber ice cream. Maybe if it had nuts in it?
One good thing about teenaged boys is you can buy regular ice cream, have a portion, put it back in the freezer, and when you come home it won't be there anymore. -
You know, I found the Klondike bars at Meijers yesterday. I bought them, wondering if Klondike was the brand we had talked about. (On a good day, I probably wouldn't remember that, but with chemo still fogging my brain, there was no chance.)
I looked it up today, and what do you know. They sure were good. Not too many calories and fiber to boot.
I mention this, though, because I searched on that website I gave you and I'd have had to drive an hour to find the bars according to it. So, check around. Maybe they've made a comeback.
Thanks for pointing me to the ice cream area. I'd really missed that!
--Theresa -
Thanks Theresa,
I checked around again for the cones..No luck. The other night I was cooking my veggie dish, and cutting up some organic spinach, and out walks a ladybug. Now that's fresh spinach.
I don't know if this is a new product or not, but Fiber One from General Mills has 14 grams of fiber for only a 1/2 cup serving and no sugar. It doesn't taste bad either but I'm not too sure of that since I throw fruit and nuts in there also. It just looks strange. -
You know, now that you mention it, I didn't find the cones, but I did find Klondike Slim-A-Bear sandwiches. They have 3 grams of fiber, 1.5 grams of fat and only 130 calories. And they are wonderful! Maybe they have those and you can try them.
I'll have to look for Fiber One. That's even better than the 8 grams I'm getting from Total's Raisan Bran (per cup).
--Theresa -
That is a lot of fiber in one serving. I might want to mix that in with my regular stuff.
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Theresa,
Well I got to thinking about what your nutritionist said about calcium may not be absorbed as well when we're on a high fiber diet. Sure enough it's all over the net.
This is driving me crazy because I have also read that by eating fiber, it stays in the stomach longer giving us a full feeling for a longer time. One would think there would be a higher absorption rate if that's the case.
But, what I read on the net today, is that the fiber works quicker to go through our system and thus not enough time for absorption of calcium and such. Will they make up their minds! It can't do both things. Stay - go go-stay.
I hate to think that all that calcium/mag I've been taking was not being absorbed all this time. Though I do take a liquid so maybe the fiber wouldn't matter? Maybe someone knows? -
It was really interesting reading all these posts...will look for Fibre One cereal myself, but what do you all use to wet it? Dairy products aren't supposed to be good for you...I wonder if a little skim milk would matter? I don't like mushy cereal. Might have to look for almond milk.
I grew up on lentil and split pea soup - but always made it with smoked turkey or something. Won't be doing that anymore...
also, (I have to watch salt intake because of Meniere's Syndrom) Campbell's makes both chicken broth and beef broth that has 25% less salt. I also use broth to stir fry/steam veggies with.
I'm looking for a very high fibre muffin recipe so I can whip up a batches and freeze them...something with low fat and flax seeds, etc. in it. I do use my breadmaker and there are lots of fibre breads that you can make...I like a heavy bread...
you can make nice breakfast shakes adding things like frozen raspberries, strawberries, blueberries, blackberries - that adds lots of fibre. Also, dried figs, etc. are loaded with fibre. I made these shakes when I had bad mouth/tongue sores from chemo. You can add a tablespoon or so of those diet shake formulas (strawberry/chocolate) to add extra flavour. -
Agie,
I use 1% organic milk for my cereals. They can't make up their minds about milk being in or out so I limit it to just the cereal.
I was just reading that its only 100% wheat bran that interferes with calcium absorption. That's good news. I see this all the time, they pick up on just one aspect of the research and extrapolate it out of proportion to fit whatever product their selling. -
Ok....can't see where using 1% or skim mile for cereal would do much harm. I just found a recipe for high fibre muffins that has 6 grams of fibre in each. Will try it out and pass it on if any good. Thanks.
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She just gave that as a warning and told me to take the calcium about an hour away from any high fiber snacks or meals. And generally, to give each 500 mg "pill" (although I eat the chews) about an hour to be absorbed.
I do my best. Most times, that means that I can be eating for most of the day:
Eat breakfast at 6:00.
Drive to work and start on the calcium at 7
Again at 8
Again at 9
Have my high-fiber, low fat, protein filled pudding at 10
Lunch at 12
Raisans in the middle of the afternoon.
Of course, I don't hold strictly to this schedule, but it really feels like I'm eating all day long.
--Theresa -
Agie,
Before you totally chuck your old recipes, see if you can't find replacements. I want to make split pea and ham soup. To reduce the fat from the ham, I can cook it different, put less in, etc. Haven't tried it yet (because it's summer and I have a hard time eating soup in the summer.)
I know that I've found other substitutions. My mom used to make summer squash in an egg wash, rolled in cracker crumbs and then fried. Ohhhh, so good. I can reduce the fat simply by using white wine instead of oil and broiling it. Not quite the same, but it still tastes good.
I've found that white wine is a good fat substitute in the oven, but haven't made it work on the stove yet.
I just found out I work in an office with two advanced degree nutritionists. One has a PhD and went through bc a couple of years ago. She said to steer clear of flax seed. (That's all I know and I haven't researched on the web. I wasn't using flax seed anyway, so it wasn't something that really registered at the time.)
--Theresa -
I asked about milk. Katie (nutritionist) said that milk has about as many things going for it as it does going against it. And she wasn't worried about the insulin growth factor 1 because, she said (I think, remember this is through the fog of chemo brain) that all foods break down into simple sugars. So, this is only a problem if you have problems with sugars.
I'm sure she loves me with all my questions.
Anyway, I've used the almond milk. I think I'll try rice milk next because I don't have to go to a specialty store to get it. That's not because I want to avoid milk (although I don't like it much to begin with), but because the kind I can stand is 2% and I want to get rid of the fat and use those fat grams elsewhere!
--Theresa -
Let us know. I'd love to vary my breakfast routine, but I haven't found a high-fiber substitute (I like) yet.
--Theresa -
So does that mean that you can't count the calcium in the cup of milk with cereal towards your calcuim requirement -- because it's with something high fiber?
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Rose,
That's the first thing I thought of too. Well there goes the calcium benefit of milk. Plus, I always ate first and took the calcium right after a meal. Most of my meals have some kind of fiber in it. Then I found this article:
http://www.freep.com/news/health/diet27_20011127.htm
"You can resume pouring milk on your cereal, says Dr. Robert Heaney, a professor of medicine at Creighton University, member of the board of trustees of the NOF -- and coauthor of the study that showed wheat fiber interfered with calcium absorption. "The good news is, it takes a lot of wheat bran," Heaney said, "and the interference is only partial."
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Rosemary,
Thanks for doing this research! I hadn't even thought about the milk in my cereal, mainly because I take 1500 mg of calcium a day in supplement form.
I liked the article because it made it much clearer what is going on. There is just sooo much to research - bc, health, health and bc. It's a full-time job in and of itself!
--Theresa -
I really don't like not knowing, so I looked up flax seeds.
At first, I was really confused because I saw that they contain phytoestrogens. I had thought that we (bc patients/survivors) were supposed to steer clear of those, especially if our tumors were estrogen sensitive.
Then, I saw a study saying that flax seed actually reduced the size of the tumors. Nothing like getting conflicting information.
Finally, I found an article from Berkeley that explains what is going on. You can find the article at http://www.berkeleywellness.com/html/ds/dsFlaxseed.php
In summary, the research is encouraging that some flax seed does seem to bind to the estrogen in our bodies (3-4 Tbps a day), but there is some threshold at which it actually turns on our body and starts to promote cancer growth. They don't seem to know what that level is yet.
Additionally, they are way heart healthy and reduce cholesterol.
So there you go. What do flax seeds taste like?
--Theresa -
Rosemary - Thanks about the calcium thing. I'll see what the % wheat bran is.
The flax seed thing is murky. Even this web site had ask the expert transcripts where they give different opinions.
You want to eat the ground flax seeds. Whole flax is very tough and won't get digested (although it has a lot of fiber value).
I'm into it because I have terribly dry skin, which tamoxifen does not help at all. Dr. Perricone the PBS dermatologist likes it, and it does help my skin.
So I get the ground seeds and sprinkle 1tbs on my cereal. The serving is 2tbps but it's got fat and I'm trying to go with the minimum amt. -
I had to give up the flaxseed cereal because I found out it is a natural blood thinner. I'm already on a thinner and I was bruising pretty good.
The interesting part of eating ground flaxseed was the muffin study. They put 2 tbls of ground flax in a muffin and gave it to the ladies to eat each day when they were first dx'd. It usually takes a month from dx to excision and in that month's time their tumors did not grow. That opened my eyes. Of course, I went overboard and had to have it everyday.
On another note of caution with this type of diet is know your cholesterol numbers when you start. I've managed to get my husband's numbers too low...under 100 total. Not good.
And you have to drink loads of water or fluids. 90 ozs, minimum. Don't ask me how I found this out. It seems that I don't wind up in the Dr.s office, he does. -
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It seems that I don't wind up in the Dr.s office, he does.
Too funny! What is it about flax that requires the water?
Also, does the flax have a taste.
On another subject, I bought Fiber One Honey Nut Crunch yesterday and tried it this morning. It was pretty good, although it was hard to eat the 1.25 cups that was a full serving. I guess the 14 grams of fiber really did fill me up! (I couldn't get the Fiber One straight. The cereal looked like sticks!)
--Theresa -
It's the fiber that requires loads of water, not just the flax. I only ate it in the organic flax cereal and that tasted like nothing.
That Fiber One does look strange but it's good. It has no sugar but they use aspartame. I'd rather they'd use real sugar then that. I know nothing about aspartame. I hope it isn't on some hit list.
I'm back from reading about aspartame. This is why they say not to eat processed foods. I also wrote GMills to ask if they'd make the product with cane sugar. I'll let you know if they reply. Back to organic cereals. -
Aspartame is the generic name for Nutrasweet. I'm glad you mentioned that because it usually causes me migraines, so I'll have to go back and look at the box. I didn't even think to read the label for that! In breakfast cereal?
Anyway, it's (aspartame) been linked to short term memory loss. I don't know about you, but I couldn't tell the difference between Arimidex (menopause) memory loss, chemo memory loss or aspartame memory loss!
So, you are saying that if we have a high fiber diet, we need more than 8 glass of water (64 ounces). In fact, we need closer to 90 (11 or so glasses?)
--Theresa -
All that fiber needs to absorb fluid to keep moving along.
I bought some of that Fiber One Honey Crunch myself. Today was oatmeal day, so maybe tomorrow I"ll try it. -
Theresa,
Yes, for sure. You need closer to 90 ozs. It was also suggested that we take in at least 50 before noon. I don't know if that is so necessary if we're getting enough during the day.
About the aspartame, one lady has posted a list of side effects from that stuff longer then our arm. They have a good product and then they blow it. So charge 2 cents more and put in real sugar. -
I may have something for that chemobrain problem. I read this and immediately had to have some:
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=68
Cinnamon's Scent Boosts Brain Function
Not only does consuming cinnamon improve the bodys ability to utilize blood sugar, but just smelling the wonderful odor of this sweet spice boosts brain activity!
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I checked the label of the Fiber One Honey Nut Crunch. It has sucralose (Splenda) in it - another sugar substitute.
I had a migraine yesterday which I initially blamed on the barometric changes brought on by Katrina.
But I just did a quick google on Splenda and migraine. Oh, the documents I got. So, I'll probably have forgo Fiber One thanks to aspartame and sucralose.
--Theresa -
That is well hidden on the box. All it says is sugar. I thought they had to list what kind of artificial sweetner they're using. It was on the other Fiber One box, I just missed it.
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I didn't happen to notice it on the original Fiber One box, but then, they looked like sticks and, being a visual person, I just couldn't try that.
Hmmmm, wonder what to try next. I liked getting that much fiber early in the day.
--Theresa -
When I was at Whole Foods this weekend they seemed to have a number of high fiber cereals. I didn't look at the boxes carefully so I don't if they had artifical sweeteners in them or not.
If you took oatmeal or some other high fiber cereal and added bran or flaxseed to it you could probably bump the fiber up yourself. Heaven knows if you used oatmeal it might even save money -- but then who cares about that ? -
I have so totally and completely blown my diet this week!!! don't get me wrong, I'm grateful I have food to eat. I'm grateful that I can drive (or walk if I have to) to the store to get more food. I'm grateful that I'm dry.
Katrina's part of the problem. It's so very depressing.
Add onto that the stress of getting back into life again. I just finished treatment about 5 weeks ago and am finishing up my third week back at work. I'm finding that I don't recommend that! I like what I do and my job is better now that I'm back, but it's still hard fitting everything in. And it's really shone a light on how bad my chemo brain is.
With all this, I'm trying to adjust to post-treatment. It always sounds easy and is much harder.
Did I mention a couple of migraines in there as well.
I'm tempted to dump it through tomorrow and start again on Sunday, the beginning of a new week.
--Theresa
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