Predicting ones reaction to radiation
So I'm in panic mode. Radiation due to start at the end of March and feeling much like a three year dragging my feet and screaming "NO! WON'T GO! DON'T WANT!!!" at the top of my lungs.
All that I'm reading here has got me wondering: Can I predict how my skin will respond to radiation based on what happened in the old days when I would bake in the sun?
Those of you who have had really bad reactions, were you sensitive to sun? Did you burn easily?
Also, does anyone know if you get a different dose of rads for one type of cancer versus another or do they just take the same approach to everyone?
Thanks...........
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Hello,
I don't think "they" can truly predict on how you will react to radiation treatment. ....but I was told that if you are light skinned you might have a greater chance of burning. I took this to "heart"...I am very pale. I used the lotion I was given (Sween 24 from Coloplast).....officially I only had to apply it once a day but I lathered up at least twice a day.....I just kept it very slimy. I was fortunate....I did not blister until the last few treatments.
Since I am on the pale side I never "sunbathed" as a youth....so I can not tell you if that is a factor.
Good luck to you!!!! Make sure you let your Rad people know of your concerns.
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I am in my 4th week of radiation. So far, I don't really have bad burns. I am starting to get a little itchy, but cortisone takes care of that. There are others in my group that are as far as I am and they are pretty burned. I am one that doesn't really get burned when I go into the sun.
I have found that most of what I am reading is worst case scenario. Of course there are going to be side effects, but everyone is different.
As far as the treatments themselves, everyone has a different treatment plan. Depending on the location, size, etc. If you haven't already, you will get a CT scan and a physicist will work with your rad onc to map out a plan for your treatments. That takes about 2 weeks to get set up.
The one thing that really bugs me is just going every day. Once you get into the room, you are only in there for less than 10 mins. I know that I don't get in at my scheduled time so there is a lot of waiting.
Hope this helps a little bit. Good luck!
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Hi there 3Monstmama - I feel exactly the same way as you! Oh, if there was some way to get out of rads! Of course, I could always not do rads, but then I would always worry about a recurrence. Part of me wishes I would have had a mastectomy just to avoid it, I've even thought of calling my surgeon to ask her opinion about having a mastectomy now. It's funny how it scares me so much more than going through chemo. I knew I could get through chemo, but radiation.....there is just something so ominous about it. Have you met with your rad onc yet? I go in for my simulation March 15th and then will start the end of March.
Sugar77 started a new thread for those of us starting rads in March...come and join us!
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Mommaof2, thats exactly what I'm thinking----should I have gone with the mastectomy instead of the lumpectomy?
I hate second guessing myself.
I have met the radiation onc---she was most decisive. My appointment for the set-up is March 8 with the first day of radiation on March 22.
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There is no correlation to burning from the sun and burning from rads. Really!!! I am fair skinned, freckles, red hair and burn after 5 minutes in the sun. However I did great with rads which I finished December 31. My skin went a bit pink and towards the end I put a soft washcloth between my bra and skin as it was rubbing a bit. I put on the organic Jason's aloe twice a day as instructed and then aquafor towards the end. But rads was a breeze for me.
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As the others have said, there's no way to predict how your skin will react. I'm usually very sensitive to the sun, so I used pure aloe vera gel 3X a day. I know it helped, since there were areas I did not realize were in the rads field that started to burn and actually got better after I started using the aloe vera there. I did get a rash on part of the area which went away after rads with the use of 1% hydrocortisone cream (OTC). It itched like mad while I had it though.
As far as dose - that will be decided by the rads onc and dosimetrist, etc. The areas to be radiated and the amount of grey (measurement of rads) will depend on your specific case.
Best of luck.
Leah
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I completed rads just before Christmas 2009. I am a redhead with very fair, sensitive skin and freckles. I expected to burn to a crisp, but that didn't happen. My onc did say that I would not necessarily burn and that rads is different to sun exposure so I couldn't use that to predict whether I would burn or not. I went slightly pink but no blistering or peeling. Now you wouldn't know from looking at my skin that I had rads.
I was probably more terrified of rads than any other stage of treatment, including my mastectomy, but it was OK once I got started. Good luck to all those going through rads or about to start. You'll be finished before you know it.
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3Momstmama - I hate second guessing myself as well & I always do it! I just wish I would have had ALL the information at the very beginning of my DX instead of getting info from my surgeon, med onc and then rad onc. My situation might be different but I made my decision to get a lumpectomy after meeting with only my surgeon, if I had met with my onc's at the same time, I might have made a different decision. Oh well, can't turn back time....
Jayne - thanks for the encouragement! Hope you are having a wonderful afternoon in the UK!
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3momstmama, some doctors (and the "treatment and side-effects" portion of this site) say that people who have fair skin are more likely to have more dramatic skin side-effects. However, the two radiation oncologists I talked with both said that this isn't true. They said that they are completely unable to predict who will have more trouble.
As for me, I am a very fair-skinned person (freckled redhead) who sunburns extremely easily and who is sensitive to irritants such as detergent residue in clothing. Heck, I've even gotten a rash from sunscreen. Because of that, and because my surgeon, who was trying to steer me toward mastectomy, told me that I'd burn due to my fair skin, I was really scared about radiation. However, it was not nearly as bad as I had feared. Yes, I did have burning sensations in a one-inch strip of skin above my breast: it felt pretty much like a bad sunburn, and it necessitated my taking Advil daily, and a one-half dose of a more serious pain-killer 3 or 4 times during the series of treatment in order to sleep. However, other than that, I had no problems at all. I've been finished with treatments for just over a week, and none of my skin has peeled.
Because I was so worried, I did really baby my skin during the treatments: I washed with baby shampoo 3 times a day, and then oiled up with calendula oil (by the way, the doctors and nurses told me I was washing too often). During the washing, rinsing, and oiling, I just lightly skimmed my skin with my hand: no rubbing, and no washcloth. I went topless at home, because my breast felt hot, and letting that heat escape helped a lot. I quit wearing a bra a week before treatments started, and I haven't yet started again. I slept on my back with my breast exposed, and with my arm away from my body to expose my armpit.
All this was an annoyance, but I knew that my skin would get fragile because of the treatments, and I wanted to avoid doing anything that might make it peel before new skin underneath had a chance to mature. It seems to have worked, but maybe I wouldn't have had trouble even if I hadn't done all that. However, the nurses and techs at the radiation center did say that they could definitely see the difference between people who took good care of their skin during their course of treatment and those who did not. When they saw that I was getting really red in the area at the bottom of my breast, they expected me to peel there, but I kept that area really well oiled to reduce friction, and I made it through without peeling.
Yes, during the treatment I had some emotional ups and downs, and there was one time that I definitely second-guessed myself and wished I had gone the mastectomy route. However, I reminded myself that mastectomies have their own risks and side-effects, and that second-guessing feeling passed by the next day. Now that treatments are over, I am very happy that I have my breast.
One other thing that helped me a lot was that I stayed physically active. I walked or cycled to my treatments (totally surprising the nurse, who had told me early on that I wouldn't be able to do that once the fatigue hit). The doctor told me that the exercise was the reason that I never experienced real fatigue. I did fall asleep suddenly for 10-15 minutes in my recliner a few times in the evenings, but that was the only evidence of fatigue for me. The exercise helped me deal with the stress, too.
So, my recommendation is to eat well, drink plenty of liquids, take super good care of your skin, and get regular exercise. You'll get through this faster than you think.
Good luck to you,
adrienne
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I am a redhead too, fair skinned and large breasted. I finished tx 6 of 33 today. Saw Rad Onc last Friday as had already started turning pink after only 2 tx and had edema. The edema is what has made the breast tender and ibuprofen and soft clothing helps. I am also using aloe and calendula 3-4 x/day hopingto minimize SE's. Dr and techs agreed it was early to see the color change so we will watch closely and take a break if necessary. I found aquaphor difficult to work with and it doesn't make sense to me to lather petroleum jelly on a burn...but maybe that's just me. Rad techs overwhelmingly recommend Emu Oil. I haven't ordered yet but with such glowing recommendations, I am inclined. No pun intended. I am adding liquid aloe to juice as well in the event the internal healing helps. And I have heard many times over that the exercise helps with the fatigue, even if it's just walking 30 mins/day or yoga, based on comfort level. Cheers, ladies. This too shall pass and we shall be stronger for it.
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3montsmama and Mommaof2, I am right there with you!! My simulation is Mar. 15, and I am trying not to drive myself crazy with the second-guessing! Part of me still can't help wondering if a mastectomy would be better!! I've already been through a lumpectomy and 2 re-excisions, but I also talked extensively with my surgeon about the mastectomy option...I was the one who brought it up, because she doesn't think I NEED a mx, mostly because I'm only 31 and now have clear margins. She tells me radiation really isn't as bad as I think it is, but I'm still scared of it. I'm going to TRY radiation, but there's still a possibility of me freaking out after a couple treatments and going for the mastectomy instead. Yes, even after lumpectomy + 2 reexcisions - my surgeon would do a mastectomy if I asked. I'm worried that I will be too much of an emotional wreck to even be able to lie still enough for the radiation to work!!
I'm trying to be comforted by everyone's inspiring stories about how they sailed through radiation without (m)any problems, or how it wasn't nearly as bad as they thought it would be, but.... there's no way to predict how a person will react. I'm not comforted by the rad onc telling me that the serious side effects are "very rare," because I've beat the odds so many times already here. I'm only 31, super healthy, no family history of BC - there was only a 1% chance I even had cancer in the first place... then I ended up with mucinous cancer, which accounts for less than 2% of all breast cancers... so when someone tells me "There's only a 2% chance" (or whatever!) of developing side effects, it really doesn't mean much to me at this point!!!
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I finished radiation about a month ago. My skin is pretty much back to normal -- in fact, was pretty much back to normal after just a week or so of ending radiation.
My radiologist suggested using aloe vera gel (97% aloe vera or better, I also used Jason's brand, or she also recommended the "goo" directly from the plant) every night, so I did. I also used shea butter on top of that and was told Aquaphor or even Vasoline would serve the same purpose -- to keep moisture in the skin. Wash minimally and gently to avoid drying out and abrading the skin. The only caveat was to not apply anything to my skin for at least 3 hours before treatment because that could cause skin problems (intensify the radiation effects on the skin). I followed all this every night religiously. Oh, and I was told not to use any deoderant under the radiation arm for the duration, so I didn't.
I had no burning, itching, blisters, etc. My skin got pink quickly (faster than "normal," which had me worried) and towards the end, red, but that was it. I'm fair skinned but never burned easily, FWIW.
Was it the aloe vera and shea butter? No way to know for sure, but it sure didn't hurt to use it.
I had some fatigue from radiation but nothing like chemo. My rad. techs were good about getting me right in and out so my wait time was minimal. Overall, it really was a breeze compared to anything and everything else I've been through. Everyone is different, of course, but they really have changed treatment so much over how it used to be done and the majority will experience less SE's than used to be the case. Hang in there!
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