The ''Root Cause" of Cancer From One of Only Two Origins.
Cancer has been described as a ‘modern pandemic'. Yet throughout the ages, mankind has always been in possession of an immune system that was 'equal to the occasion'. Since the Industrial Revolution, which gave way to the Chemical revolution, the pharmaceutical industry has convinced the western world that this immune system is no longer good enough to provide for our health and well being. They have been selling us a barrage of pills, shots, serums and ointments to cure a growing and seemingly endless list of new ailments. I frequently see commercials advertising a list of symptoms and assigning a name to this syndrome, then offering a prescription that will cure this new ailment. This seems to be the world in which we now live. This point brings to mind a quote from John Dryden "God never made His work for man to mend." Third World countries do not have access to, nor the means to obtain these modern pharmaceuticals that the rest of us have access to, and perhaps as a result of this, third world countries do not have anywhere near the cases of cancer that the modern western world has. Obviously no one had access to them a century and a half ago, because they did not exist at all, and cancer back then was a rare disease. We now find ourselves frantically looking for an explanation as to why this is predominantly a ‘western‘ disease, and why this is a ‘modern‘ disease. Pharmaceutical use is one of the last remaining subjects that has thus far, avoided being studied as a possible cause of this modern pandemic.
As more and more studies point out the things we need to avoid in order to maintain our health, and point out the things we need to practice, it would be expected that our statistics of cancer would be getting better. But it is the pharmaceutical industry that funds these studies that seek to find a cure for this disease. It would not be sensible for us to expect them to turn the microscope in onto themselves.
The culprit for this unwanted cell activity we call cancer is currently believed to be our DNA, or more specifically, the chromosomes responsible for the orderly reproduction of the cell , the p53 gene. ( Known as the tumor suppressor gene.)
But there are two distinct methods from which a cell can be reproduced. If there were three or more methods, then we would need to expand our search to include all of the possibilities. As is the case, we need only be concerned with two processes that can generate a cell. A flaw in the orderly reproduction of cells (cancer) must therefore come from one of these two cell reproducing methods. Thus far only one of the two methods has been considered as the culprit for when something goes wrong with the orderly generation of cells. Only the DNA method ( the much studied process in which the cell's DNA instructs the cell to divide as outlined in the internal code of the cell) has been considered. This has been the central focus of all queries into the disease since scientists have had the ability to study the body at the cellular level. This is taken as a given, and to the best of my knowledge, has never been questioned or challenged. Cancer has only been considered as a defect at the cellular level. The solution is only being looked for at the cellular level.
The only other method that is capable of generating a cell, is the much less studied, and less understood method whereby the body's own immune system is sent to a region immediately following some form of trauma, initially to stimulate the neighbouring cells into rapidly reproducing themselves in an endeavour to seal over a wound to hinder any blood loss, as well as prohibit the entrance into the body of foreign contaminants. We refer to this process as the formation of scar tissue, and it is a function of our complex immune system. Scar tissue is predominantly associated with our skin tissue, however; any cell in the body is capable of being stimulated by the immune system into generating scar tissue. Many of the intricacies are not yet known as to how this process is set in motion, however it is intuitively obvious that there must exist a start mechanism. It must then follow that there need be a mechanism in place to tell the immune system when the healing process is complete. It is intuitively obvious that there must also be a 'stop mechanism'. A defect in the 'start mechanism' would set the immune system into motion as if it had experienced some form of trauma, and the body would begin doing repairs to tissues without first being given a need too. Similarly, a defect in the ‘stop mechanism' would result in the inability for this repair process to know when to shut off this process. Either scenario would result in the manufacture of unwanted tissues, which meets the definition of , and would be indistinguishable from what we presently call 'cancer'. Instead of viewing cancer as a defect in the p53 tumor suppressor gene, we could view it as a defect in our immune system which is carrying out repairs on tissues that do not first need repairing, and/or repairing cells and then not receiving a signal as to when to stop. There must be a stop code.
A close examination of tumor tissues reveals that there are similarities between the formation of scar tissue (with its accompanying inflammation, that is necessary to maintain the existence of this newly generated cell) and cancerous activity. This relationship is most easily observed by comparing skin surface scars with skin cancer. Because scar tissue was manufactured rapidly, and by a different process than that of normal tissue replacement (normal cell division as outlined in the cell DNA), it has different characteristics. Scar tissue made from skin cells has a distinct appearance with a smoother surface, firmer density, (described as a waxy appearance) and a different pigment from that of the surrounding tissue. The following quote can be found at www.google.com final report on Grant GR/K71394 Mathematical Model of Scar Tissue
"Scar tissue formation is a ubiquitous feature of adult wound healing, with
the resulting repair both functionally and cosmetically inferior to normal
skin. At microscopic level, the main difference between scar and normal
tissue is in the alignment pattern of the collagen fibers of which they are
composed."
‘Functionally and cosmetically inferior' are characteristics shared by cells thought to be manufactured by cancer cells, and cells known to be manufactured by our immune system. And yet these characteristics are not attributed to cells manufactured by the normal DNA method in cases other than cancer.
If cancer was a disease of the cell losing the ability to replicate itself in a controlled manor, then we would expect to see uniformity between the cancer tumor and the parent cell that had lost this ability to replicate itself in a controlled manner. There is no reason to expect to see uniformity between the various cancers themselves, if this uniformity did not first exist between the parenting cells. But the Nobel laureate Otto Warburg, while studying the metabolism of tumors, noted that "cancers of various species and tissue origins reveal a high uniformity from tumor to tumor." Warburg, O.: Stoffwechsel d. Tumore, Springer, Berlin, 1926. Engl. edn., The Metabolism of Tumors, tr. F. Dickens, London, 1930.
In fact there have been numerous studies all of which point to a number of parallelisms between cancer tumors of all types. There are a series of "common denominators" that are shared between all cancerous tissues that do not have this shared characteristic with the host cells, which becomes an anomaly under the present DNA model for explaining cancer. The following 4 quotes with references point this relationship out.
"Correlatively, the Coris find the lactic acid and sugar content of the various exhibitions of cancer to be highly uniform. Williams and his co-workers report a pronounced degree of uniformity in the concentration of eight B vitamins in a great variety of animal and human tumours, regardless of the tissue of origin or the manner of their induction." Cori, C.F., and Cori, C.J.:J. Biol. Chem., 64:11, 1925
"Shack describes an almost complete uniformity in cytochrome oxidase content in a number of mouse tumors." Shack, J.: J. Natl. Cancer Inst. 3:389, 1943
"Maver and Barrett describe substantial evidence for an immunological uniformity among malignant tumors. Greenstein reports an impressive degree of uniformity in enzyme concentration among malignant tissues, regardless of their means of induction, tissue of origin or species of origin." Greenstein, J.P.: Symposium on Cancer, A.A.A.S. Research Conference on Cancer, ed. F.R.Moulton, Am. Assoc. Advancement of Science, Washington, D.C., 1945, p. 192
"The uniformity of various exhibitions of cancer in respiratory properties, lactic acid production, vitamin content, enzyme content, action on a given substrate, effect on liver catalase, cytochrome oxidase content immunological properties, and many other characteristics is correlative to an uniformity of malignant tumors in the ability to metastasize, in their amenability to heterotransplantability, and in their autonomy, invasiveness and erosiveness. Indeed, there is no known basic property unique to any single exhibition of cancer---the only variation being a morphological one partially conditioned by admixed benign or somatic components." Cancer and the Immune System The Vital Connection
After considering all the above quotations, a fair question to be asked is, ‘Why is there such uniformity between cancer tissues from tumor to tumor?' Another question would be, ‘If a fault in the DNA is causing this tissue growth, why is the daughter cell even distinguishable from the normal cell?' If we grant that a flaw in the p52 gene is allowing for the orderly manufacture of cells to going astray , this by itself does not give licence to the cells that are spontaneously being generated to be any different from the host cell.
All of this uniformity seems to point to the credible scenario that there is one common theme in all cancers, which implies a single source of manufacture. It is impossible for the present DNA model to account for this anomaly of uniformity. Yet ‘uniformity' is an obvious inference if the cancers were all being formed from a single source (i.e. the ‘repair' arm of our immune system). A pattern of uniformity would be necessary if the immune system were responsible for the manufacture of all of these tissues, and a pattern of uniformity is what is being observed. To account for this uniformity under the present definition of the DNA model of cancer, it is said that the original cancer has metastasized to another part of the body. The word ‘metastasized' imparts the belief that the new cancer has similar characteristics to the original cancer. The patient is never considered to have come down with two bouts of cancer, but rather one which has managed to have cells 'break away' and commence work at a new site. The model for explaining how cancer can ‘spread' like this under the DNA framework is troubling. The belief is that some cancer cells have broken away from the original site, and migrated to a new location and begun work there (metastasized). But the original cancer is thought to have been caused by some antigen entering the body and attacking the DNA gene that is responsible for the orderly generation of cell replacement. The secondary site is never thought to be a new antigen that has managed to enter this same patient, and started a new defect in the patients DNA. This ‘metastasize' model allows for the similarities in the various cancer tumors to be understood and accounted for within the dogmatic confines of the currant DNA model. The new cancer is described as a continuation of the original cancer at a new location. But this model requires a host of special abilities being granted to these ‘cancer cells'. They are given the ability to recruit allies, and ‘cloak' themselves in the endeavour to explain how they can travel undetected and unharmed by the immune system as they journey to the new site.
It is conceivable that the cancer cell is distinguishable from the normal cell because it was manufactured by a different process than normal cell replacement. But the DNA method of cell regeneration is not different and not distinguishable from the original. There is no reason to expect that this underlying characteristic would change just because the controlled order of cell replacement went haywire. If the DNA model were to be true, then tumors would be clusters of cells indistinguishable from the host cells around them. A defect in the P53 gene should result in the formation of a wart, or a small polyp that could only grow to a size that could be supported by the existing blood supply. But we are still faced with the fact that the tumors are distinguishable from the surrounding tissue, and often accompanied by there own modified blood supply.
Since there are only two ways in which a cell can be manufactured, and only one of the two methods can account for this ‘uniformity', and in conjunction, account for why the new cell is distinguishable from the parent cell, then it would be prudent to entertain the possibility that the ‘repair' aspect of our immune system (the only other way in which a living cell can come into existence) could be responsible for this non requested cell growth we call ‘cancer‘.
There still remains many ‘mysteries' surrounding the immune system, and much is remaining to be learned. At present, the term ‘immune system' is used to describe a complex series of body functions that is in actuality three distinct systems with three distinct responsibilities. These are;
i) to identify foreign antigens that are deemed to be enemies of the body.
ii) to destroy these enemies of the body; and
iii) to repair any damage that may have occurred during this onslaught.
( Enveloped within the repair aspect, is the immune system's ability to ‘inflame' the site with increased blood flow, a natural and vital component necessary to sustain the life of these newly generated cells by supplying oxygen and nutrients, as well as waste removal. The DNA model can adequately account for the generation of these newly generated tissues we call ‘cancer‘, but an entirely distinct explanation must be employed that is happening simultaneously, to account for the accompanying blood supply necessary to maintain the existence of these newly generated cells) .
It has been observed and acknowledged that there is a corresponding activity in the lymphatic system in episodes of cancer. Often it is observed that the cancer has spread to the adjacent lymph nodes, and a study of the individual's lymph nodes is used to determine if the cancer has spread (metastasised). Yet the purpose of the lymph nodes is to serve as the center for production of phagocytes, which engulf bacteria and poisonous substances. Lymph nodes are a vital component of the immune system, and are always associated with immune system activity. In other words, with every non-cancerous situation, the enlarged lymph nodes indicates that the immune system is active and fulfilling its function. However; we are told in episodes of cancer, although it is acknowledged that the lymph nodes are active, the immune system is thought to remain inactive, and they are not fulfilling their function. Under the DNA model, it is not yet understood why the immune system would sit idle while events that it is designed to prevent, takes place. But if the cancer is to be defined as a defect at the cellular level, it is necessary maxim for the DNA model to address why the immune system is permitting the existence of these newly generated cells, because the evidence supports that the immune system does not make any attempt to prevent this cancerous activity from taking place. The explanation for how these cancer cells do this requires that the cancer cells are bestowed a number of special abilities that are unique only to them, all of which exceeds my level of gullibility. These special abilities are attributed to the cancer cells to help explain away this event as it is being observed. This anomaly has never been adequately addressed and remains as a major conundrum of the present DNA model of cancer. It defies reason to accept that the immune system is doing nothing. A more credible explanation for this phenomenon is that the immune system is doing everything. If cancer were found to be a function of a defective immune system then this conundrum becomes a logical inference. The immune system will not attack the cancer because the immune system sent the cancer. This ‘cancer' could turn out to be a maverick arm of the immune system, i.e. the patient has a defective ‘repair arm' of his or her immune system which has lost the ability to know when not to commence work on damaged tissues, and/or lacks the ability to know when to shut off this work once it has commenced.) .
A large number of the anomalies would vanish if cancer were a product of a defective immune system. We would not have to address how the cancer causing antigens enter the bodies of some individuals, and not others. These ‘antigens' mark the ‘birth' of cancer from the DNA model yet still remains to be unobserved at the cancer site. We would not have to address how cancer can move undetected throughout the body and take up residence at a new location without being detected, or encountering any form of resistance along the way. The study of cancer would then become a analysis of the way in which various cultures treat their immune systems, which then paves the way for this malfunction to take hold.
Cancer becomes much less mysterious if we simply take the point of view that the immune system is causing the lawless proliferation of growth, (since it is its job to do so,) and the immune system is also supplying the essential blood supply to support this newly generated growth, by way of inflammation (again, because it is its job to do so). To read the present accounting of how the cancer cells manage to build the infrastructure of a blood supply system to support the existence of these newly generated cells, requires an unrealistic level of trust. The cancer cells are attributed with a host of special abilities unique to them alone, all of which are necessary to account for this event taking place within the confines of the DNA model. Yet at the same time, the philosophy in treating cancer patients with radiation and chemotherapy, is from the belief that these are the weakest cells and will be the first ones to die. Why would these cancer cells which are deemed invincible, immortal, perpetual cells be expected to be the first ones to die?
Mark Twain is quoted as having said "What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know... It's what we know for sure, that just ain't so."
Cancer could be viewed as the fulfillment of a two part equation. First, the individual must be in possession of a faulty immune system that is capable of generating cells without there being a need, and/or generating cells and not receiving the stop code. Secondly, this individual must then have their defective immune system directed toward and perform this non requested work on a specific group of tissues.
Statistical connections have been difficult to extract using the DNA framework because the scientific community is only looking at half the equation, i.e. why the cancer cells are attacking a specific tissue. Currently, scientists are only looking at the hierarchy of cell types to come under attack, which produces only ‘links' to lifestyle choices or environmental exposures, etc.. If we factor into this how an individual treats their immune system, then perhaps some concrete relationships could be observed, and the global mapping of cancers would have significance. From the framework of this new model for cancer, the global mappings can be understood, and do tend to have significance (see Historical Notes).
Immunosuppressant medications were developed to intentionally decrease the effect of the immune system in organ transplant patents, for the purpose of preventing the body's defence mechanism from attacking (rejecting) the foreign tissues of the transplant operation. If the patient survives the operation, and overcomes the rejection, they will live longer lives then they would have, had they not had the operation. Unfortunately, the statistical evidence shows that the transplant patient will ultimately succumb to a bout with cancer. This phenomenon has scientists struggling for an explanation:
"Scientists believe transplant recipients were already at risk
for cancer because their weakened immune system could not
keep healthy cells from becoming malignant".
" The use of immunosuppressants(cyclosporine) increases the
chance cancer cells will divide and invade surrounding tissue.
However it is not clear if cyclosporine can change normal cells
into cancer cells researchers say"
web search for ‘organ transplants'
Organ Transplant Drug Increases Cancer Risk
Friday, Feb.12, 1999\
By using this new model for explaining cancer, we would predict that by creating a defective immune system, we increase the likelihood that some form of cancer will result. We would then have satisfied the first part of the two part equation. We have an individual with a weakened immune system that is capable of generating non requested tissues. All the other ‘links' and ‘markers' merely help to ascertain which of the numerous types of cancer the patient is apt to acquire. That is to say, the numerous lifestyle links, dietary links, and environmental links (physical carcinogens, chemical carcinogens and biological carcinogens.), all have a tendency to either promote any given tissue in the body towards cancerous activity, or to demote specific tissues away from cancerous activity. If the immune system is the root cause of cancer, then obviously it will be difficult to discover a cure so long as our efforts are focused on employing the immune system to attack itself. The immune system is designed to recognize and not attack itself. Perhaps this explains why there are presently only treatments for cancer, and not yet any cures.
If a weakened immune system has been shown to causes cancer, would it not therefore follow that a strengthened immune system, should overcome, or at least prevent cancer? There is a paradox with immunosuppressant medications which clearly establishes that there is a cause-effect relationship between cancer and a weakened immune system. It should be anticipated that a concrete cause/effect relationship between cancer and a substance would be the holy grail in the cancer research world. This is the one thing that everyone would be expected to have been searching for, but no one can recognise this because it doesn't fit with the DNA model. The DNA model is focused exclusively on the inner workings of the cell for the answer as to why it is reproducing itself relentlessly. When the malfunctioning immune system generates this relentless cell production, it is dismissed as an unexplained anomaly because it cannot be accounted for within the confines of the dogmatic view of cancer at the cellular level.
Cold-Hot; Inactive-active; benign-malignant. These are the differences between non life threatening benign tumours, and life threatening malignant tumours, specifically one is active (cancerous) and one is benign (scar tissue). It may one day turn out that the fundamental difference between a benign tumor and a cancerous tumor is in the timing of when it is being observed. If you discover a benign tumor ( or perhaps we could call it a tumor "after-the-fact"), the body has stopped, and there is a mass of fibrous scar tissue that is currently not undergoing any development. If however, you were to stumble upon this very same tumor as it was being manufactured, it would be deemed to be a cancerous tumor. If your body is capable of producing a benign tumor, it is capable of producing a cancerous tumor. In the benign tumor, the immune system began a repair process that may or may not have been required, but evidently it did eventually receive the ‘stop code'. In a cancerous tumor, either the cells do not receive the ‘stop code', or you are observing it before it has received the ‘stop code'. I have never heard of an Oncologist saying to a patient "You've got some sort of tumor being produced, but let's leave it be, and see if it doesn't stop and become benign on its own". If that same tissue were to be observed when it was inactive, it would simply be dismissed as a benign tumor that had previously been produced at some time in the past. The benign scar tissue has already been manufactured by the immune system, and is now dormant. It is dismissed as scarring, and is of no immediate concern, because it is of no immediate danger to the patient. Everyone freely accepts that the inactive scar tissue was manufactured by the repair arm of the immune system. It should therefore be an easy inference to accept that cancer, or active scar tissue, or perhaps ‘runaway scar tissue', is currently being manufactured by this same arm of the immune system, though be it a defective one.
When medical professionals discover an active tumor being produced, they may opt to surgically remove the tumor and the offending cancer cells that made it (excision biopsy). As this radical surgery has not yielded the desired success rates, the medical profession has expanded the scope of the surgery to include the surrounding tissues (margin), believing that these tissues might contain some stray cancer cells. They test this removed tissue and may confirm that it too was cancerous. They then close up the wound and hope that they have managed to remove all of the cancerous tissue. Now they must wait until the immune system has had time to heal up the surgical wound before testing the area, because the activity of the inflammatory nature of the healing process will read as ‘hot'. We then have the defective immune system, which may turn out to have caused the tumor to begin with, being invited back to the site, and being expected to heal up this surgical cut. Healing is what the immune system does. Therefore, this is an exercise for it. Often, the immune system heals over the surgery and then stops. The surgery was a success. Sometimes, however; the immune system doesn't stop. The immune system continues to produce scar tissue, and rapidly divide the adjoining tissues without receiving the message that the task has been completed. The poor surgeon is mystified that he or she could have missed some of the cancer cells, and now they appear to have merely taken up where they left off. If the DNA model were to be true, that some carcinogen ventured to the site and caused a defect in the cell DNA, then this patient, now rid of the offending tissues, should mathematically be given the same bill of health as a non patient. But the statistics do not support this optimistic expectation. Quite often, the cancer patients who undergo surgery have recurrences at the original site. If the cancer returns but at another location, then the surgery would be statistically labelled as a success. Even with this clemency being granted, the statistics for the surgery are not too favourable. The apparent failure of the surgery has given birth to the suspicions that exposing the cancerous tissue to the air helps it to spread. Or exposing the cancer to the light of the Operating Room, perhaps, is what causes it to flourish. Exposing the cancer to the light and air is a by-product of the fact that these cells have been operated on, and as a result, the immune system is re-invited back to the region to repair the surgical wound. The suppositions that the light or air has anything to do with any reoccurrence can be dismissed because surgeries that are preformed on patients, who have not been diagnosed with cancer, are not subject to similar incidences of tumors, despite also being subjected to the light and air. These patients do not have the first prerequisite, namely the faulty immune system that is incapable of generating the "stop code". Even the supporters of the DNA model, acknowledge that cancer cells are in all of us (because the ‘spontaneous existence of matter' is an absurd proposition). If we were to attribute this reaction to the light and/or air as yet another mystical feature enjoyed only by cancer cells, we would still need to account for why every surgery was not subject to the same level of reoccurrence. From the point of view of this new model, this anomaly would be addressed as follows; The non cancerous patient has a properly functioning immune system which still has the ability of knowing when to stop the healing process. In cancer patients, the immune system has already shown to be defective, therefore it should not be surprising to find out that sometimes it does turn out to be relentlessly continuing the healing process and in so doing, inflict the area with a new cluster of cancerous activity, despite how diligent and careful the surgeon had preformed.
At present, the three most promising treatments for cancer are Chemotherapy, Radiation Therapy, and Surgery. All other treatments are aimed at invigorating, boosting, stimulating, enhancing etc. the immune system into attacking the cancer. Paradoxically, the three most successful treatments make no attempt at employing the immune system in the fight against cancer. These three protocols have two things in common. They go after the cancer cells themselves, and all three make no attempt at employing the immune system in their attack. The second thing these three protocols have in common is that they inadvertently cause exercise for the immune system. In all of these cases, the immune system must come onto the scene to repair the damage that has been inflicted against the tissues of the cancer site. Placing a workload on the immune system provides a workout, or exercise for it. Thus the three most successful treatments for cancer could be viewed as benefiting the cancer patient by increasing the workload and responsibilities of his or her immune system. The remaining less successful treatments all tend to actually "demote" the immune system by taking responsibility away from it. Any substance that claims to assist, invigorate, enhance etc. the immune system, may actually be taking a workload away from it and inadvertently be causing the immune system to become weaker. From this new vantage point of understanding cancer, we can see why treatments that do not involve the immune system would be the most effective treatments in the fight against cancer. If the immune system were found to be ultimately responsible for this non requested tissue growth we call cancer, it would be absurd to expect it to attack itself. The fact that the most effective tools to date in the fight against cancer happen to be the ones that do not involve the immune system directly, adds support to the hypothesis that the immune system is responsible for this event.
If we make this simple adjustment in our model for explaining cancer, [ by taking the blame away from the individual cell's DNA, (chromosome p53) and placing the blame on the immune system as a whole, or more specifically, the repair aspect of our immune system,] then we simplify things immensely. This phenomenon then becomes a candidate to apply Occam's razor. Why employ a complex set of beliefs when a simple explanation already exists? Unexplainable events become, for the first time, explainable. As to why the immune system leave the cancer cells alone would become straightforwardly explained if the cancer were a function of the immune system. Similarly we would be able to account for how the cancer can travel throughout the body undetected and take up residence in another part of the body without being detected or encountering resistance along the way. We would not require the use of imaginary antigens that set this mystery disease in motion, yet cannot be observed either at the site, or journeying to the site.
It has for some time been observed and recognised that people who are pet owners live longer lives then those who do not own pets. It was asserted that the satisfying feeling of well being as a nurturing caregiver to these pets was a stress release, and this is what was responsible for this longevity. It has more recently been proposed that the germs and bacteria that the caregivers are exposed to from their pets is more likely what is responsible for the difference. Pet owners have immune systems that get more of a workout relative to the non pet owners, and this ‘exercised immune system‘ is actually what is responsible for the increased health benefits.
Cancer is not limited to the human species. Farm animals and pets also have been diagnosed with cancer. But observe however, that the animals that are diagnosed with cancer, all tend to be animals that routinely receive treatments from veterinarians, or care giving owners, who attempt to improve the animals health with enriched or fortified feed, medicines, vaccines and booster shots designed to assist the immune system. Animals such as raccoons, bats, foxes and skunks have all been diagnosed with rabies, but it is extremely rare to learn of these animals, which are outside of the domestic category (wild animals, who receive no treatment of any kind) being diagnosed with cancer. On the other hand, horses, cats, and dogs, have nearly the same rates of cancer as humans have. (There will always be exceptions. Just as an animal can be born with a defective heart, or defective liver, it is conceivable that there might also be cases in which an animal could be born with a defective immune system, but I would expect that such a defect would be self correcting, i.e. the animal would perish prior to passing this defect on to its offspring).
There have been studies undertaken to attempt to find out why squirrels don't get cancer. They have a long lifespan and live amongst us, therefore are exposed to the same carcinogens as we are, yet they do not get cancer. Scientists are astute enough as to wonder why this is, but they are locked into the dogmatic restraints of looking inside the cell. They believe "that cells of long-lived, small-bodied rodents are hypersensitive to cues from the surrounding tissue. If the cells sense that conditions are inappropriate for growth, they slow down cell division. Such a mechanism would arrest tumor growth and prevent metastases."
http://www.scientificblogging.com/news_releases/squirrels_know_a_cure_for_cancer
The fact that squirrels don't go to the medicine cabinet when they feel they are coming down with something, might also be a factor.
Prior to Nicolaus Copernicus (1473-1543), everyone in the world held the belief that the earth was in the center of the universe. It was presumed that the sun, moon, planets and stars all orbited around the earth. The bulk of the observed evidence tended to support this first model of the world. The fact that some of the planets appeared to move backwards during part of their orbit, was an anomaly that caused Copernicus to first question the validity of the ‘earth- centered' model. He went on to design a new model for explaining the workings of the solar system, which placed the sun at the center of the universe. This new model did account for the anomalies that had existed with the Earth-Centered model, yet nearly a century passed before this idea was taken seriously, and was not accepted until after Galileo (1564-1642) started observing the night sky with a telescope, which had just become available.
The ‘truth' it appears, does not care if we believe it or not. The earth circled the sun even when everyone on it thought otherwise. In the field of cancer, there remain a number of anomalies with the present DNA model. Why was it relatively scarce prior to the industrial revolution? Why is it less prevalent in developing (third world) countries? Why is it not contagious? Why can we not derive a vaccination for it, or ‘shared immunity‘ from someone exposed to all the same antigens who does not develop cancer? Why do some treatments work well for some patients, and not at all for others? Why does the list of childhood cancers differ from that of adults, when our DNA does not change? And of primary concern; why does our immune system not respond to it? Each paradox, and each anomaly can be understood from the framework of this new way of viewing cancer.
Albert Einstein was quoted for having said "When the solution is simple, God is answering".
Historical Note:
In 1971, president Richard Nixon symbolically declared war on cancer. The scientific community were caught off guard and had not even settled on a definition for the fundamental root cause of the disease. They hastily came up with a definition of what they were up against, and officially adapted what has come to be the present day DNA model. The "DNA model" label has not been necessary because no opposing models had been introduced, and this DNA theory was taken as a given. 140 years ago, however; there was competing theories for cancer. Only one survived. But the theory that was overstepped was never disproved. The birth of the DNA model was laid our years earlier. The following is an excerpt from Encyclopaedia Britannica 1949
‘Virchow laid great stress upon the importance of chronic irritation in the causation of new growth ...The rival theory put forward by Cohnheim about 1880 that new growth arises from embryological remnants included within the tissue owing to some slight error in development.'
Here we learn that the first views on cancer (prior to 1880) were thought to be caused by the body repairing cells that were subjected to "chronic irritation". Evidently, this original theory fell out of favour to the ‘new' rival theory (the Cohnheim theory which has evolved into the present day DNA theory). This chronic irritation would imply the breakdown or continuous damage inflicted on one group of cells, or one tissue type. It had long been observed that betel-nut chewing had been linked to oral cancer. This phenomenon was originally accounted for with the claim that the abrasive quality of these nuts caused an irritation in the cheek tissue of the mouth. When the new theory came along, this phenomenon was attributed to arecoline, one of the properties that could now be scientifically identified to this plant, as being responsible for the oral cancer. Similarly, connections were made between scrotum cancer and soot by observing the high percentage of chimney sweeps that came down with this ailment. As time progressed, it could be isolated that it was benzopyrene, an ingredient in coal tar that was causing the irritation. This new ability to isolate the specific element that was responsible for this ‘cause-effect' relationship coincided with the new proposed theory from Cohnheim (which held that the cancerous growth was caused from "embryological remnants included within the tissue owing to some slight error in development". The newly discovered technique of microscopical staining, lent itself remarkably well to the belief that there was something going on inside the individual cell that was causing it to lawlessly reproduce itself, and had just become available in 1872. This was a critical time in the fight against the disease, and we found ourselves at a ‘Y' in the road. I can well imagine how this new ability to examine carcinogens at the molecular level, helped this new ‘molecular theory' win favour over the older chronic irritation theory. Nevertheless this does not invalidate the original theory. The original theory was never revoked, or flat out rejected, but rather it was passed over when these new scientific tools came on line. From the ‘Y' in the road, everyone went down the same path (DNA model). It would have been preferable for the supporters of the original theory to concede that it was not the soot that was causing the irritation, (or more specifically the benzopyrene in the soot,) as opposed to overturning the theory altogether. It should have been conceded that it was not the abrasive irritant of the betel nuts that was ‘physically' weakening the tissue, but rather something in the nut that was ‘chemically' weakening the tissue at this location. In either case, the damaged or weakened tissues require a response from the immune system. Then the chronic irritation principal would still remain applicable as a plausible cause for cancer. This adaptation would have allowed the ‘chronic irritation' theory to co-exist with the ‘embryological remnant' theory until more was known about the disease of cancer, and the cells that it attacks. If we concede that it is a ‘chemically' weakened tissue, as opposed to a ‘physically' weakened tissue; what then is the difference between the chronic irritant theory( read: chemically weakened tissue that begins this uncontrolled growth,) and the Cohnheim theory for cancer, which holds that the growth stems from a flaw within the tissue owing to some internal flaw? (Although the model for DNA was only discovered fifty years ago, it had previously been understood that there must have existed some form of ‘gene' that was responsible for passing along the genetic information from parent to offspring.) The major distinction between these two theories is in the role of the immune system. The immune system plays no role in the Cohnheim theory (which places the blame solely on the DNA of the affected tissue cells.). If we re-investigate the chronic irritation theory now, with our new found knowledge of the roles of the immune system, we might conclude that the original theory should not have been so quickly overlooked.
Consider the practice of acupuncture. Thousands of years ago, it was observed that warriors, who were inflicted with non-lethal spear and arrow wounds, would go on to recover from their wounds and then experience superior health to what they had prior to the event. Health practitioners then began to intentionally inflict the body with similar wounds hoping for similar results. They would insert bamboo sprigs and shells into the skin of patients. They got what they were after, and acupuncture has survived through the ages despite being viewed as barbaric and not fitting into the realm of explainable events from the point of view of modern day medicine. Over the years, the practice has been refined and has become less barbaric, with sterilized equipment; however, the immune system must still address the tissue damage inflicted by these needles, thus subjecting it to an ‘exercise" At the bare minimum the immune system undergoes an exercise of the ‘start' and ‘stop' code production. The resulting health benefits could therefore be attributed to the exercised immune system. Another type of immune system fallibility is with arthritis. I have heard about people treating arthritis with wasp stings. They apply bees or wasps in a jar to the offending joint, and then agitate the jar causing the insects to attack the exposed flesh. The immune system currently being misguided into producing antibodies to attack the joint is given something constructive to do. The arthritis sufferers notice a temporary ‘cure' from their ailment as the immune system must now address the poison from the bee sting. This process must be re-applied as the immune system will eventually revert back to its misguided activity once the bee sting has been addressed. The relief from their arthritis can last several months however.
It would seem foreign, or perhaps even absurd to introduce infectious contaminants into the human body. It would seem ludicrous to do this to someone who is already ill. This inverse line of thinking would help to explain why a successful cure has eluded so many, for so long. It would be difficult to find a solution to a problem that lies in the opposite direction from where everyone is looking. The concept may sound ludicrous, but from the perspective of this new model for cancer, this is still a logical supposition. If we can produce a remission from inadvertently exercising the immune system once, with poison (as in a chemotherapy session), imagine the results of setting out to systematically exercise the immune system repeatedly, without harming the entire body in the process. I believe that the successful protocol will not stimulate, but rather, aggravate the immune system. Instead of trying to invigorate, we should irritate. Assisting becomes tormenting. Helping becomes hurting. Hurt your immune system like you hurt your muscular system during a vigorous workout. Hurt your immune system like you would hurt your cardiovascular system running a marathon. Helping the immune system has shown to be counter-productive. If you are getting the opposite results to what you desire, than logic dictates that you should do the opposite to what you are doing to get that which you do desire. The by-product of helping the immune system is to weaken it, which allows the cancer cells to go out of control. It should follow then that the by-product of hurting the immune system would be to strengthen it, and thus, allow it to regain control over these maverick cells. Under this new model, it is conceivable that the successful treatment would take the form of ‘clinically torturing' the body, which is precisely what chemotherapy is doing, but on an unnecessarily exhaustive scale. A series of allergy tests would discover some things that the immune system reacts to, but would avoid the full spectrum attack that is presently provided by chemotherapy. Why do we even have allergy's? Everything in nature has a purpose. Things that irritate the immune system would be a good exercise tool. I have a strong suspicion that these alternative medicines that seem to miraculously cure some individuals, and mystify the professionals, are by chance exercising that patient's immune system. This individual is simply allergic to one or more of the ingredients in these concoctions. This would explain why some cancer fighting cocktails respond miraculously in some patients, and yet can be utterly useless or unresponsive in the majority of patients. The patients who are not allergic to any of the ingredients, unfortunately, do not get the workout. Likewise, the evidence supports that combination strategies have been shown to be more effective then single treatments. This could be accounted for using this same logic. Introducing a greater number of ingredients, mathematically increases the chances that the cancer patient will be allergic to one or more of these ingredients. I suspect that finding out what a patient is allergic to, and then provoking an immune response with this antigen, would be a productive approach if this new model holds any merit. This line of thought is consistent with the observable data that shows that few allergy sufferers ever acquire any form of cancer.
Examine for a moment how we have treated our immune system since the industrial revolution (which proceeded the chemical revolution, which gave birth to the medicines that we enjoy today). When we become ill, our immune system requires energy to do its job. Our immune system takes much of the energy normally used to fuel our muscles and heat our body, so we may feel fatigued, run down and chilled while our immune system is preparing itself for the ensuing fight. The stage is set for a classic battle between the immune system, and the offending foreign virus. So what do we do? It is at this point that we (Western Society) start "assisting" our immune system. As the fight progresses, undesirable waste products are produced. The clinical definition refers to T cells secreting cytokines, and lymphokines being secreted by B cells and natural killer cells injecting acidic fluids, etc.. The immune system will employ one or more of the body's orifices to flush out or eject these waste products, but it has become our practice to attempt to stop this. We take medications for nausea and upset stomach, hindering the body's ability to rid itself of the stomach's contents. We take pills or serums for diarrhea if the body attempts to rid itself of the contents of the intestinal tract. We take pills, sprays or ointments for runny noses; watering eyes; coughing; sneezing,... any and every endeavour that the immune system employs to rid itself of the by-products. When you consider that the ears naturally drain into the throat, the immune system has employed each and every orifice that the body has, and we employ medications to stop or hinder the use of every one of them. We medically "handcuff" the immune system from performing its job. Since this tendency of trying to assist our immune systems is a fairly modern phenomenon, it might help us understand why cancer has become classified as a modern epidemic.
One of the most bizarre anomalies in my opinion, is in regards to melanoma. Melanoma has been linked to sun damage, and yet it is statistically less prevalent in the tropical regions of the globe. Dark skinned races seldom acquire this or any form of skin cancer, and yet skin cancers are the most prevalent form of cancer. In the rare cases in which a dark skinned person does acquire melanoma, it will be under the fingernails, on the palms of the hand, sole of the feet, or inside the mouth. These areas are tissues that do not posses the darker pigment, and due to the location, these cancer cases could not be attributed to sun damage. Those regions closest to the equator, have people whose skin has evolved or adapted to the more intense sunlight. Their darker skin is a consequence of the human melanin cells having had to develop in order to convert the sunlight's harmful ultraviolet waves, into harmless heat waves. Thus, the people who reside in the tropical regions of the globe, have skin that has already adapted to a harmful attack (ultraviolet waves) and therefore, using this new model, we can view these cells as no longer being the easiest cells for the opportunistic cancer to ‘pick on'. People in the tropical regions who do posses defective immune systems will find that they have cells other then their melanin, which are easier for their (faulty)immune system to stimulate. Or if the cancer does choose to divide the melanin cells, it will be the tissues that do not poses this modification (palms of hand, sole of foot, etc.).
Using this model we would predict that similar cultures would produce similar cancer statistics. This fact has eluded no one. We have always been aware that people who share the same culture, same lifestyle, same access to health services and facilities, same documentation methods etc. would have the same life expectancy, and the same mortality rates for diseases. If however, one group of a society were to be immune to one form of cancer, then mathematically, we would expect,( using this new model) that the numbers would have to be made up for in other forms of cancer. We see a prim example of this prediction by observing cancer in African Americans. These people share the same culture as the North American Caucasians, and yet they could be considered to be ‘genetically immune' from acquiring skin cancer. Thus we see African Americans with alarmingly higher rates of lung cancer, for instance. The slight deviation in smoking habits cannot account for the vast deviation in cancer statistics. It has been acknowledged that "African Americans suffer disproportionately from chronic and preventable disease compared to the White Americans." (U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 1998.)
Similar anomalies have been observed in American Indians, Hispanics, and Asian/Pacific Island minorities. It has been recognized statistically that these groups all smoke less cigarettes per day then there Caucasian counterparts, yet these groups all have alarmingly higher incidents of lung disease, and lung cancer. No justifiable explanation can be put forth by the present DNA model for this anomaly, although many presumptions are advanced such as "they smoke less, but they inhale deeper". It could be expressed that the North American culture is the common denominator, and as a result, a certain percentage of these people are going to acquire a defective immune system. Since some of these people are going to be ‘exempt' from falling under the category of ‘skin cancer', they will then have to be placed into one of the remaining categories. Thus we see this ‘disproportionate' level of other cancers. If we examine the statistics from the point of view that from the next 100,000 babies born, the American culture is going to produce 225 of which will go on to acquire some form of cancer. If some of these 225 citizens are genetically immune from acquiring the number one cause of cancer (skin), then they therefore must fall into one of the other categories of cancer, in this case, the number two cause of cancer (lung). From this perspective it can be understood why these groups of individuals can have higher lung cancer statistics then the remaining members of their society, even though they smoke less. It is necessary to view cancer as the fulfillment of two requisites. We must first examine what this society is doing to have 225 of its members go on to develop a faulty immune system that is capable of generating unwanted cells, and then we must examine factors which account for the category of cancer that each of the 225 citizens are ultimately going to be placed. This relationship cannot be understood from the perspective of the DNA model which tries to link the 225 cancer victims to a cause within their society which distinguishes them from the remaining 99,775 non cancerous citizens. Prior to this new model, we were at a loss as to how to account for the vast discrepancies in these numbers. This phenomena can only be explained when we step outside of the existing DNA framework. I would expect that this phenomena could be observed by viewing statistics between Australians, and Aborigines as well. Consider the plight of the Australians. Here we have a culture of exiled Europeans who were originally placed there as a penal colony. They do not posses the required genetically modified skin to live in this more tropical environment. Thus we now see, as this modern trend of possessing weaker immune systems takes effect, the skin of the Australian and New Zealand Caucasians is coming more and more under heavy attack. If a certain percentage of a culture were to posses the requisite faulty immune system, and they resided in a tropical region without the benefit of the darker melanin, then it would be expected that a disproportionate number of these people are going to acquire skin cancer. This is exactly the plight we are now observing in Australia and New Zealand. This trend can also be observed by studying the cancers of Northern Europe and comparing these to countries closer to the equator in Southern Europe. This explanation accounts for countries nearer to the equator, although their incidence of melanoma is lower, do have a higher incidence of other types of cancer. Liver cancer for instance, is six times more prevalent in Southern Europe (Spain, Portugal, and Italy) than it is in Northern Europe (Denmark, Finland and Norway).
This principle can be applied across the board in explaining why some types of cancer are more rare then others. The rarer forms of cancer have a cell structure that is more difficult for the immune system to stimulate into scar tissue.
This same principal (cancer cells ‘picking on' the easiest target ) can be used to explain childhood cancer, and help to explain why the list for adult cancers and child cancers is so different.
Since the modus operandi that are capable of creating a living cell are limited to these two distinct methods, a flaw in the generation of unwanted cells must their for be limited to one of these two methods. That is to say that cancer, which is defined as the growth of unwanted tissues, must either be the result of a defect in our DNA, or a defect in our repair aspect of our immune system. A third scenario does not exist that is capable of creating a cell, therefore a third scenario does not exist that could be the possible explanation for when something goes wrong. The last 125 years have been spent looking exclusively at our DNA as the culprit for this unwanted tissue growth, with questionable progress and frustrating statistics. Perhaps now is the time to turn the page and look at our immune system, the only remaining viable explanation for this activity.
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I'm with you on that one Jo maybe condense it to a couple of lines. I'm not sure if they r trying to flog something or whether it's a research thread?
Jinny
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WOW!!!!
Kathy
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COMPETITION: Read the thread and win a car NOT ... Who has a day or two spare to read all that? Maybe it was done with good intentions but I'm not so sure. I really get annoyed when ppl come on here to flog rubbish ... really really rubs me up the wrong way
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I consider this to be a condensed version. If I'm limited to 5 sentences they would be:
There are two ways that the body can manufacture a cell, but only one of these means is being considered as the culprit for when something goes wrong.
There are a number of anomalies surrounding the present definition of cancer (a DNA defect), all of which tend to disappear if we view cancer as being a defect in the bodies other means of generating these un-requested cells we call ‘cancer‘.
All cancers share a number of ‘common denominators' that show a theme in their generation, which cannot be accounted for under the DNA model for explaining the development of cancer.
It has never been adequately addressed why the immune system sits idle as this invasion takes place, but if the immune system were to be responsible for the generation of this unwanted tissue, then this is no longer an anomaly.
The only thing that I am trying to sell is the concept that there may be an explanation for all this that is in the opposite direction from where everyone is looking (thus explaining why it cannot be found).
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Yeah, read the first two paragraphs then gave up. Interesting about cancer not being widespread in thrid world countries or long ago. May have something to do with life expectancy or misdiagnosis. Just saying.
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I glanced at the first few paragraphs. My quick rebuttal:
purple_X: "throughout the ages, mankind has always been in possession of an immune system that was 'equal to the occasion'. Since the Industrial Revolution, which gave way to the Chemical revolution, the pharmaceutical industry has convinced the western world that this immune system is no longer good enough to provide for our health and well being."
Me: The human immune system was not "equal to" the plague, smallpox, Black Death, tetanus, "quinsy" (strep tonsillitis), etc., all of which killed many people before the Industrial Revolution.
purple_X: "Third World countries do not have access to, nor the means to obtain these modern pharmaceuticals that the rest of us have access to, and perhaps as a result of this, third world countries do not have anywhere near the cases of cancer that the modern western world has. Obviously no one had access to them a century and a half ago, because they did not exist at all, and cancer back then was a rare disease. We now find ourselves frantically looking for an explanation as to why this is predominantly a ‘western‘ disease, and why this is a ‘modern‘ disease."
Me: Much of the increase in the incidence and prevalence of cancer (and heart disease, and Alzheimer's disease) in the 'modern' and 'developed' world is simply the result of longer life expectancy. Infant and maternal childbirth mortality have plummeted. Children rarely die of measles anymore, and smallpox has been wiped out -- and, in developed countries, severe malnutrition and starvation are rare. Clean water supply helps. Many, many more people are living long enough to develop cancer.
purple_X: This point brings to mind a quote from John Dryden "God never made His work for man to mend."
Me: John Dryden was a playwright and literary critic -- not particularly relevant to discussions of health and medicine. What comes to my mind is the "doctrine of signatures" -- the idea of many physicians, botanists, herbalists, apothecaries (many of whom were religious people like monks and nuns, and who sought to "mend" people who were ill) throughout the ages that the Creator had made plants with signs of their healing potentials, which could be learned and understood with careful attention, study and experimentation. We can debate whether "mankind" should have stayed with the natural plants and their extracts, or whether learning to synthesize these compounds in a laboratory is just a natural extension of such curative efforts, accomplished via the mental abilities bestowed by that same Creator -- but there is no doubt that "mankind" has sought to cure illness and mend injury since the dawn of time.
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I think the reason for having gotten cancer is not as important as the fact that I/WE have it or had it and that this website if for support for those who have it. This post is waaaaayyyyyy toooooooo long. If I want a history book, I will buy one.
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I can almost assure you this is NOT from a researcher. I work at a major medical teaching university and with researchers all day long. They do not hide themselves it is unethical for them to do so, if this is funded research they would have identified themselves and their funding source.
Note: breast cancer and other forms are mentioned in ancient Greek and Egyptian writing.
KEW
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Breast cancer is not new. What is new is that women are postponing pregnancy and becoming pregnant less often. Pregnancy is considered protective of breast cancer because the monthly hormonal changes of menstruation can lead to errant cell division. In the middle ages breast cancer was known as the nun's disease because -- you guessed it -- these women who generally did not get pregnant were getting breast cancer in large numbers. Back then most women spent most of their fertile years pregnant or nursing.
John Adams, our second president, lost his daughter to breast cancer. She was diagnosed at age 42, like me, and suffered through a primitive form of mastectomy.
This long post is bunk and since the person doesn't have bc he or she doesn't belong here.
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purple_X ~ I was able to get through about half of your post, and if I'm following what you're saying, I don't understand why you think it's "new" thinking re. cancer. I'm certainly not up on every bit of reseach being done, but I've heard it said that cancer may, in fact, be attributed to an overactive (rather than underactive) immune system, which I think is what you're saying, isn't it? It's also a fact that quite a few of us on this board have dealt with autoimmune conditions in addition to bc, which might be further support for some of what you're saying. (I haven't read the last part of your lengthy post yet, which I'm guessing attempts to link pharmaceuticals to bc.)
Anyhoo.... I think we're all curious to know who you are. I'm guessing you're an individual with what you think is a new, unexplored theory re. the cause of cancer. But I find it very hard to believe that this explanation or piece of the puzzle isn't being explored by scientists and reseachers... Deanna
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I thought maybe purple_x was copying from a book or something and not giving credit to the author. I think that's plagerism...
Anne
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Deanna
I am an individual who was forced to confront cancer when a relative announced that they had the disease. I began to investigate out of curiosity what was going on in the field, and went back into old encyclopaedias and came to the conclusion that things were not getting better. I research cancer as a hobby. I am not qualified to offer up any medical advise. My background is in Philosophy. I am only qualified to offer up questions. My query took me back to the beginning to question the original premise that cancer is caused by a defect in the cell's DNA. As to whether this is currently being looked at by others, I don't know. Everything that I encounter tends to support that the faulty DNA is taken as a given and is the founding principle of all research into the disease.
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SOOO......
Purple X, I think what you might be missing here on this site is that we are CURRENTLY suffering from cancer. Of course we ALL would like to see it eradicated for future generations, but dwelling on who or why we got it is ultimately fruitless. We have it, now we are trying to learn how to deal with it. I am sorry you have someone close to you effected by cancer but a lot of your original post was all over the place and very hard to follow.
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purple ~ Though long and hard to follow, I think your post is very interesting. If you want to pursue your theories further, perhaps you could contact An Army of Women -- http://www.armyofwomen.org/ -- and maybe Stand Up2 Cancer -- http://www.standup2cancer.org/ -- to find out what research is being done along these lines. (Both of those organizations profess to be taking a new approach to cancer research, although in quite different ways.)
I also wanted to alert you to the fact that new members here are limited to 5 posts per 24 hr. period, which can be very frustrating, especially if you're not aware of it, hit #5, and get shut out. But there's also a Private Message (PM) feature to continue conversations, accessed by clicking on a member's screen name.
Personally, I would like to know if your theory is included in current mainstream research... Deanna
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The cause and the cure will not be independent studies. And I am all over the place. Speaking of which...one more anomaly that was not addressed in the body of the post is in regards to the oral contraceptives, and how this fits into this new model. The immune system is designed to protect the body from foreign antigens (carcinogens). A carcinogen can enter the body in one of two possible ways, either through the skin, or through an opening in the skin. The skin is the body's largest organ, and the immune system must be located throughout this organ to defend the body from carcinogens that try to enter by way of this route. In many cultures, skin cancer is the #1 form of cancer. If a carcinogen is to enter the body, and cannot do so by way of the skin, it must then do so by way of one of the body's orifices. When one considers that the lung is subjected to the outside world with every breath that we take, it would be understandable that this organ too would require an intense presence of the immune system's arsenal of defences. The lung takes its rightful place in the #2 position of likely locations for cancerous activity. We then move down the list of the various body orifices, all of which require defending by the immune system. Another tissue type that has shown to be amongst the easier tissues for a defective immune system to mutate, is the mucus membrane tissue. These tissues are located throughout the body, but not arbitrarily throughout the body. Notice that polyps that grow out of the mucus membrane tissue only grow on these specialized tissues that are always located adjacent to a body orifice. In fact, all of the body orifices have adjacent mucus membrane tissues which house the immune systems defence mechanism (T cells, B cells, natural Killer cells etc.). The existence of polyps is often observed at these sites (Colon polyps, esophageal polyps, Endometrial polyps, nasal etc.). Different cultures have different rankings as to the various cancer types associated with the various orifices; however there is a striking correlation between cancer and the positioning of the immune systems defence mechanisms. The female breast is not an orifice to the outside world until the woman reaches puberty. Thus this portal does not require an immune system defence until this time. Pre-pubescent breast cancer is scarce and statistically similar to male breast cancer. Once the woman reaches adulthood however, this newly formed orifice requires the presence of the immune systems defence mechanism as much as any other orifice.
(It is worth mentioning that oral contraceptives have been linked to breast cancer. Oral contraceptives are a method of birth control that works by chemically tricking the body into not ovulating by supplying hormones that cause the body to behave as though it were already pregnant. When the body behaves as though it were pregnant, it makes a number of changes, one of which is to prepare the breast for nursing. This then becomes an orifice that requires a defence strategy from the immune system because it is now a new portal to the outside world. If the immune system is defective, and takes up residency at this new location, then by using this model, we can now understand how the oral contraceptive could have instigated the breast cancer. This anomaly cannot be explained using the DNA model. The DNA model cannot account for what takes place to cause this horrific change in statistics between pre-pubescent and post pubescent breast cancer statistics.)
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Oh my gosh! Faux pas alert! A newbie made too long a post!
Everyone pile on...
Sheesh people!
Hello - Purple_x - what does that ID mean? I thought it was funny that it is similar to perplex. LOL.
Thanks for sharing your interesting ideas.
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You wrote: "Here we learn that the first views on cancer (prior to 1880) were thought to be caused by the body repairing cells that were subjected to "chronic irritation"." I think that using "medical knowledge" from the 19th century presents some problems. 19th century medical professionals also believed that women's emotions were connected to their uterus. So, women who were too "emotional" would undergo a hysterectomy so that she would not be too emotional. Medical professionals in the 19th century also believed in massaging women's clitoris to release their "stress". The first vibrators were invented in Victorian England because doctors' hands would get tired tried to release women's "stress." The doctors would use the vibrator to get a quicker release for women. Therefore, basing some of your argument on 19th medical knowledge is iffy at best.
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Mary ~ I think Purple's point is that some beliefs about the cause of cancer haven't changed much since the it was originally written about in the 1800's or since. One of the points they're making is that researchers may be stuck in a flawed belief system, which is why all the research isn't leading to any appreciable breakthroughs. Deanna
P.S. But you're right about using outdated info. I'd even stumbled on the 1999 reference, until I realized what was being said.
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I think it's a stretch to say that no research has led to "appreciable breakthroughs."
Exhibit A - herceptin.
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You have toooo much time on your hands. We have/had cancer and can give you a million reasons why or how we think it happened---which doesn't matter after you have been diagnosised. Get off your soap box and take it some where else. For every reason you give (and sorry, I don't have time to wade through all of your "cut and paste"), someone else can give you a statement/reason to contradict. Sorry, don't buy it, don't want it.
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Ann ~ You're right ... Herceptin is HUGE! By "appreciable breakthrough" I meant a research breakthrough in finding "a root cause" or the reason why some of us develop cancer vs. a drug to treat it. Deanna
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One more thought to add, why is a women's breast cancer risk temporarily higher after a pregnancy? A UCLA onc told me this and subsequent research I've done has also indicated this. The National Cancer Institute says, "Breast Cancer risk is transiently increased after a term pregnancy." Induced abortions and miscarriages do not lead to this increased risk--just term pregnancies. I've noticed, (and I'm included in this group) that many, many, many of the young women on this site are young mothers.
Website of above info: www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/ere-workshop-report
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Although I'm not sure I understand it all, I think the post is interesting; thanks for posting it. And adding the second piece.
Cathy
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Well, sure DNA is being studied in regards to cancer! The problem is, there's so dang much of it, and so many combinations of it that can go awry, and so many things that can act on it.
Especially regarding the effects of inflammation.
And regarding OCPs...they cause the body to mimic pregnancy to a degree, but pregnancies, especially early in life seem to be protective against BC, not a risk factor? Though for everyone who has the protection, there's another who didn't get that protection.
It is ALL extremely complex.
Anne
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The OP said this: "I research cancer as a hobby. I am not qualified to offer up any medical advise. My background is in Philosophy. I am only qualified to offer up questions. My query took me back to the beginning to question the original premise that cancer is caused by a defect in the cell's DNA."
I think that about sums it up. "hobby"?? background in "philosophy"?? And if your query took you "back to the beginning," then maybe it should also have taken you to Med School.
Correlations are fine and dandy, but without proper credentials and access to legitimate research,
I smell hackery.
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Very interesting, old ideas need to be challenged, but too lengthy for me to read in full at this time. I'll have to dig into it later.
Purple X, is that writing your own work?
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Hi Purplex or purple_x or whatever,
This is the local skeptic speaking. A quick Google search shows that you have a long history of forum-spamming this crap all over the web. Dog cancer? Skin cancer, thyroid cancer, etc.
Do you think spamming forums is a good way to get your name out there? Increase your site traffic? Drum up publicity for yourself? WTF? If you were in the least bit legitimate, you'd take your theories to an appropriate audience. We're not it.
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purplex - Great thesis but I can't understand the reasoning for putting it on this site - we have cancer, we do our research and we support and encourage each other. What did this bring to our 'party'? Hope? Support? Encouragement? Knowledge? How cruel of you to select this site.
In the 10 years since I went the first round with this 'dancing partner' - the new and increased amount of treatment options is significantly greater and for a mets dx - opting for a gentler, targeted and 'arresting' treatment is far and away preferable over 'killer chemo'. I have bc mets to bone and I want treatment that works and the knowledge there is another if that fails and another - and more on the horizon - frankly, I would just like to keep living. Saying the research is going in the wrong direction - it almost made me question my hope - that was cruel. And that is how I feel today...
Hugs all
Sharon
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Sharon, he really doesn't know what he's talking about. Breastcancer survival has gone up, by the way, and those stats don't even take into consideration the longterm benefits of herceptin.
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