Soy is fine!

That's the sense I've gotten from the reports of a number of small studies.  Soy is such a good food it would be a shame if women who like it couldn't eat it.  I suspect moderation is the key, as in all things.  So, since my mind obviously understands the benefits of soy, why does my gut tie itself up in a knot every time I even think about eating something soy based?  Funny how the mind and gut have different ideas, isn't it? 

Member, as per netiquette, I placed the link source for the negative soy findings at the top of the post.

Processed soy protein isolate is a junk food. There is a lot of research for this--also on the myth that the Asians eat a soy-based diet. The Asians eat soy sparingly, mostly fermented (Miso) and in combination with high mineral sea vegetables. An Asian would never eat soy burgers or the fakest food of all, soy "milk."

People are going to eat soy irrespective of the facts. I just thought I'd post the info. I eat soy sauce and Miso but wouldn't touch the fake soy foods because they suppress the thyroid.

 Lexilove, I believe you wrote:

"......I saw this a few weeks back and immediatly went to the grocery store to get my veggie burgers and some tofu."

My understanding was that soy FOODS were OK in moderation, but not soy supplements. Anway, I am sure that the jury will be out for a long time on soy.........

MOTC, I just went to the bco search engine and typed "moderate alcohol" and it came up with the link to the SABCS that made the claim. Scary, eh?

I think those researches about soy intake is very inaccurate and confusing as most of them measure soy intake in total and not differ between the different ways of eating soy - processed textured soy, natural soy beans and tofu + other traditional ways of eating soy. Here in western countries we mostly eat processed textured tofu protein witch I agree with lucy88 to be regarded as junk food as they're made under high temperatures and with use of chemicals etc that changes the component - in a similar way making margarine of plant oils changes the plant oils. But natural soy can be hard to digest because soy has a lot of anti-nutrition's (a protection in the plant - which it needs because it is so nutritious) that interferes with the nutrition in other food we eat. That's why Japanese and Chinese make tofu or ferment the soy. Making tofu is quite another process than making textured soy protein - I've made it myself, you simply separate the protein (after making soy milk by grounding the soaked beans) with for instance sea salt or vinegar (it's very easy to make). My stomach reacts on non-processed soy (with gass) but not on tofu. I guess the anti-nutrition agents are left in the rest-stuff. Maybe the digesting system can adjust to natural soy - but nevertheless people traditional eating soy never eats whole dried beans.

My natural doctor (he's a trained doctor in medicine that have chosen the alternative way instead of the established, and he is specialized on herbs) recommend eating tofu because the phytoestrogens take the estrogens place and in this way block the estrogens activity on cancer cells (= like tamoxifen does), but he tells me to stay away from hoops (beer!) and red clover (in a lot fo cleansing mixtures) because the phytoestrogens in them have shown activity on breast tissue (you can notice that men drinking a lot of beer are developing breasts).

All beans & lentils & peas (legumes, is that the word for all of them?) are found to help the body get rid of estrogen instead of reusing it - witch maybe is the main problem with estrogen for women on a western diet; we reuse the estrogen.

I eat tofu now and then - I like the taste and feel good eating it, and believe it helps getting rid of some estrogen - like flax sees, lentils, beans etc also does.

I'm always sceptical to isolated supplements so I stay away form those. The fact that some nutrition's have good effect on health doesn't mean it will do so if we isolate the one part we think work - even if it work in vitrio. Our body is more compicated than the processes that can take place in a glass tube. Doing so just make it easier to pack & sell & brand the product - just as the poison we are recommended to take against our disease with very poor evidence. (I had a slow growing cancer - still my oncologist recommended chemo ("just in case" - they could not prove I had any disease left) - and chemo is shown to work best on cancer with high proliferation. Besides that, research shows that the chance for getting a new cancer after chemo is increased.

Mia