MISSING MY FRIEND

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jenn3
jenn3 Member Posts: 3,316

I've started to write this a few times and deleted it - hopefully that won't happen this time. I need help.......

I have a friend that seemed to disappear with my diagnosis.  We've been friends since Jr High, which is about 30 years, she is my youngest daughter's godmother (Nanny).  We've been through many ups and downs together.  With that said, she has always been the one who needed the attention and always relied on me to support her - a taker.  While I have ALWAYS been there for her without asking for much support back.  If she's having a bad time - I send a funny card to cheer her up, flowers to say I'm thinking of you or stop by to give her a hug.  I've accepted this relationship, she has many other wonderful qualities and does have a big heart.  When I went through a few deaths in the family and a major illness with my daughter, she backed away some, but didn't disappear.  Again, I know she doesn't deal with death or illness well and I accepted this and didn't let it get under my skin. 

When I was diagnosed with BC she cried, came to the hospital on the day I had surgery.  Then I didn't hear too much from her for several weeks.  I called her a few times here and there, but the conversations were about her.  She didn't call, send a card, flowers, nothing.  Not that I expect flowers or a material item, but something to show she cares.  I was hurt by her actions or inactions, but decided to again turn the other cheek and invited her to attend her godchild, my daughter's senior ring ceremony in Sept.  She made it to the ceremony, but left right after it was over promising to see me the following week for my daughter's birthday and lunch.  She cancelled both with a lame excuse.  I finally got mad and quit calling her.  I talked to my sister about it sometime in Oct/Nov and she took it upon herself to call my friend and tell her that I would love to hear from her and asked her to call me.  My friend cried and told my sister she missed me, but was having a hard time dealing with MY illness. She was afraid I would die.  Still I didn't hear from her. That got me even more upset.  So................. I refused to call her. 

Fast forward to January - I know this is a bad month for her, this is when she lost her first born.  And quite honestly, I do miss her.  I know we say this is when we find out who our real friends are and who aren't and I have another friend that I've known for 38 years that has never left my side and I've never left her side at anytime during the last 38 years -she is one of a kind.  She doesn't understand why I want to continue my friendship with the other friend - she's angry too.  And...... I've also found out that people I considered friends, but not terribly close or aquaintances are truely wonderful people and I know will be in my life for a long time.  Deep down I know I can't rely on her when I need her, but I do love and miss her.   This is what I'm facing.  I am angry and hurt and want to call her now that my head is cleared from chemo drugs and talk to her about it. But.....I know the call will revert back to her problems and I'll get angry again.  Then there is the fact that this is the month she always needs support because of the loss of her daughter and I want to be there for her w/o my frustration of what she did to me.  I know it's crazy - I want to be there for her in time of need, but still need her to understand my pain for her abandonment.

Am I crazy?  Do I just pick up the phone and forget the last six months?  Do I wait another couple of weeks?  Is there ever really a good time? 

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  • ajlive
    ajlive Member Posts: 134
    edited January 2010

    She doesn't sound like much of a friend to me.  This is when you  do truly find who you friends are.  Sounds like you were her crutch.  Write her a letter and let her know how you feel then leave it to her to come forward.  If she doesn't.  You don't need her or the stress.

     I know where your coming from except mine was family.

  • Kodapants
    Kodapants Member Posts: 139
    edited January 2010

    I know what you are going through.  This has happened to me with two friends,  it seems so unbelievable to me.  One friend was a friend from high school,  she did contact me several times and then nothing. The other one is going through financial difficulties and I know it's hard, but I really don't think it is the same as stage 3 breast cancer.  I have had so many losses in the past 2 years that i'm afraid to cross the street that I might be hit by a car. But, I'm a true optimist I keep trudging along.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2010

    Jenn3 ~ I had the same situation with a "friend"  and I told her how I felt about her lack of support or just being there.  She got very offended and told  my daughter that she would get in touch with me when my treatment was over.  I ended up really seeing her as a toxic friendship, more or less said see ya..  I knew I had enough to deal with and did not need to be stressed by her words, actions or even inaction.  I have not heard one word from her since.  She see's my daughter  at her job because they both work at the same spa, but never does she even mention me.  So it does hurt me inside how she could actually just dump me after cancer but someday she will go thru a bad time and realize she needs people in her life that love her.

  • Christine2000
    Christine2000 Member Posts: 176
    edited January 2010

    some people just can not handle a BC diagnosis. Many of my daughter's classmates parents couldn't even look at me when I showed up at school with my chemo-head. I have decided to forgive most of them-- I remember asking my mother --who was widowed at 37-- why we didn't see any of the people we used to socialize with when my father was alive. She said, "they don't want to see me-- I remind them that it could happen to THEM."

  • lexislove
    lexislove Member Posts: 2,645
    edited January 2010

    My diagnosis made me realize just who were my real friends. I had a lot of "lets go out and have a good time" friends and spent time with them mostly............ but only a few true friends.

    I decided to reevaluate my life and choose to have less drama and garbage. So I ditched a lot of my friends.

    Reading your situation, I would be damned to have her (your friend) do the dumping. She is the one missing out. From what I understand you basically throught treatment, if not finished. So whats her excuse?!

    This is what I would do, call her up and say look, can we meet soon I really need to talk to you. Tell her exactly what you have told all of us here and then her reaction. If she gets all defensive and just talks about herself, ok....dont get upset. Just...ok. And leave her to her life.

    If she gets emotional, maybe truth hurts and she is realizing that she should have been there more for you.

    Either way, I think you need to figure this out so you can truly move forward and be happy. With or without her.

    Good luck.

  • everyminute
    everyminute Member Posts: 1,805
    edited January 2010

    I think it has happened to all of us - it is sad but true - tragedy brings out strength in some, but not in others.

    I have gained far more friends than I lost but the ones I lost does hurt pretty badly, I have to admit.  I will not forget or give in - mostly because I just don't want them in my life.  I will be civil if I see them out - my kids still see them occaisionally but I just don't need it.  I thought it was just me but when I asked my dh to pick our youngest up at a bday party for a mutual friend he said no - he didnt want to deal with the former friends either! 

    So I dont waste anymore anger on it, I am past that.

  • Diana63
    Diana63 Member Posts: 773
    edited January 2010

    I echo everyone else, this is where the rubber meets the road so to speak. I have finally come to the conclusion that, the ones I have lost weren't worth having in the first place. I know its hard, and it will hurt but just let them go, and hold on tight to the ones that stayed. When the dust settles you will have a true army of friends, the good ones that wont let you down when it gets hard. God Bless

  • jenn3
    jenn3 Member Posts: 3,316
    edited January 2010

    My personality is to always try to understand the reason for ones actions and rationalize their bad behavior. A good and bad trait.  I know I'm probably better off without her.  And.....like I said and all of you have said, we've met wonderful people on this journey and come to realize that people we thought were just acquaintances are truly friends.  The pain is tough, but like everything else over the last six months I guess I just need to focus on whats in front of me, the people that have helped without being asked, supported me in everyway possible and been there for the good and the bad.  I'll wait a few more weeks, then give her a call and see where it goes, but I'm guessing with this diagnosis we've grown apart. 

    Oh............ she did support me in October by posting a pink ribbon on her facebook page saying this is for my friend.  Really?????

    Thank you for your advice and support.

  • KerryMac
    KerryMac Member Posts: 3,529
    edited January 2010

    Jenn - I can't add any more really to what has been said. It seems like we all have found some friends just can't cope.

    I am quite unforgiving actually - one of my husbands brothers completly ignored us (and what I found more unforgivable, ignored our kids) for a good 10 months - I can't even be bothered to talk to him now. We had other "friends" disappear, then reappear once they saw I was all alive and well - I really have no time for them either. I don't know - I sort of think if you can't be there where things are shi**y, then what is the point.

  • lexislove
    lexislove Member Posts: 2,645
    edited January 2010

    Kerry.....exactly.

    Im a very unforgiving person. I dont see that as a bad thing at all. It allows me to see things for what they really are and people too. I have no time for drama or BS, none.

    Bottom line, if you are my friend you should be there through the good...bad...and ugly.

  • jenn3
    jenn3 Member Posts: 3,316
    edited January 2010

    I am or was a turn the other cheek person, but I will say that BC has taught me to say no and learn that sometimes I come first.  Maybe what I'm having a hard time with is the reality that the friendship is more than likely over because I just can't understand how she can be so selfish that she couldn't make one phone call.  I received more support from people I only see a few times a year and people I only know by phone (work related).  

    Y'all are right, true friends are there for good and bad and it's not a one sided deal. Rather than feel hurt over the loss of one I need to focus on the friends I've gained. 

  • Beverly11
    Beverly11 Member Posts: 443
    edited January 2010

    Man I am such a pushover.  I just had a friend send me a message on facebook that she wanted to get together.  I was her maid of honor 20 years ago but we have lost touch.  Her husband is my exhusband's boss and she told me about 20 years ago that our friendship was too difficult because of that.  So, I ran into her occasionally throughout the years (every 5 years or so) and she was polite.  She has asked about me through my kids (mutual friends) but now wants to get together.  I left her a message on face book - sure.  What am I doing?  Do I really need this?  We were extremely tight at one time; like sisters.  This whole BC has made me not want to put up with any crap but also to not want to have hard feelings with people.  Still a people pleaser I guess. 

  • Estepp
    Estepp Member Posts: 6,416
    edited January 2010

    ah girl... this is such a REAL and HARD and HURTFUL reality. I am VERY sorry.

    About a week ago... the husband... of who I thought was my best friend.... saw me in town. I have not talked to either of them since they found out I had BC. He looked at me... and said these words...." WOW, I have never seen you hair so short... WOW... it looks nice on you though."

    I thanked him and left he and my dh together to finish small talk.

    ARE YOU FREAKIN' kidding me. I had 17 inches of hair shaved. The last time he saw me I had long hair... HE KNEW I had Chemo.... Whatever.

    I was very proud of myself.. that I was respectful to him.

    I cried so much for this "friend" But you know what... It is SO SO SAD... but I realized.. she was not a friend.. she used me, and then a harder thing... I had to learn WHY I ALLOWED myself to be used. In hopes.. it could teach me why I got BC...

    I offer a hug to you and pray that you can heal yourself. Truly!

    Laura

  • Pure
    Pure Member Posts: 1,796
    edited January 2010

     I am sorry to hear your story. I have had such a hard time with people and friends since my diagnosis. It's so hard. I think you should decide what you feel is the write thing to do for you and based on your beliefs. Don't act in a way b-c she treated or acted in a certain way. If the right thing to do is sen dher a card or note -do that. You can then feel better that you acted the way you wanted to based on your beliefs despite how she has treated you.

  • Let-It-Be
    Let-It-Be Member Posts: 325
    edited January 2010

    I can just go on to reiterate that we learn what friendship really means with this bc crap.  While some friends have shown they really have difficulty, and yes there's the fear of this happening to them, other friends have just shown how much we are loved.  I have also made a lot of new friends on this journey.  So there's the plus.  I just accept that some people are different.  I also believe our relations are a lifetime, a season, or a reason.  If a person leaves your life that's okay.  Don't hang onto any grief...Let them and the grief go. 

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited January 2010

    Okay I am going to approach this from another direction.  I am in no way defending your friend, just piecing together the possible reason for her behavior.  

    Losing a child is the most heart wrenching, gut twisting, black hole, and dark despair that anyone could ever face.  I have lost a parent.  I have stage III bc and am facing my own mortality.  All of that fades in comparison.  Your friend has felt the black void of emotions as well as the intense highs and lows. She has had the rug pulled out from under her and now works hard to make her world as stable as she can.  She never wants to feel any of this again, but it comes back to haunt her at the strangest and most unpredictable times.  She probably spends her life fighting the slippery slope back into this black hole even though it looks as if she has it all together most of the time.  In order to do that she has to be able to audit and edit things in her life.

    Now having a close friend, one who was her rock and her supporter, needing the comfort and help is turning her world upside down again.  And she does not want to even contemplate experiencing another devastating loss.  So, she can face all that and give you the comfort and support that you so badly need right now, or she can pull that veil over reality and try to ignore it.  She is obviously doing the later.

    Is it right?  No.  Is it what a best friend does? No. But it is clearly her coping method that has worked for her in the past.  It is not fair to you.  It sucks.  But I would ask that you try to see it through her eyes and try not to judge her too harshly.  Clearly she is toxic to your well being right now.  In my opinion, you can chose to sit her down and get her to open up or just let her go on her own way.  You need to worry about YOU right now.  

    I am so sorry that this is happening to you, someone who has obviously been such a good friend.  Having been through this myself, I can only suggest that you understand that you cannot change your friends behavior and move on without too much anger.  There are wonderful people out there who are ready to support you when you need it...now. 

  • victoriasecret
    victoriasecret Member Posts: 333
    edited January 2010

    4 words Jen ..Life is too Short !!One thing this disease has taught me ...dont sweat the small stuff and forgiveness...turn the other cheek ..when I hear my friends bellyaching over really small problems ..I think to myself is it really worth waisting even 1min of your life over it if it is ok but I doubt it ..I too have a friend who has been distant I have to make the calls  etc..she just cant handle what has happened to me..I accept that and still love her...ml C

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited January 2010

    How cool.  My daughter's horse was name "Victoria's Secret".   Coincidence, or the universe's way of telling you to take our advice and cut her loose and let the resentment go with her.

  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited January 2010

    i would not blame anyone for not being the best friend they can be for you.  You never know what crosses they carry or what may inhibit their 'friendliness'.  you are not responsible for their inadequacies.  I would most certainly call her and meet for lunch.. why not?    I would preclude that invitation with a letter getting some of the hard to talk about stuff articulated so it is easier to talk without resentment.  . 

    What I  can imagine, is that she knows that she couldn't deal with the loss of you and just doesn't want to even think about it.. you may have to assure her that you are very much alive, well and hopeful. 

    friendship often requires alot of giving.  One would assume that means give and take, but some people simply don't reciprocate and it sounds like your friend is kind of like that.  That wouldn't bother me.

  • everyminute
    everyminute Member Posts: 1,805
    edited January 2010
    Apple/Mary - I am glad you are my friend, you are beyond generous.  I, on the other hand, am a bi@tch :-/
  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited January 2010

    everyone's different.

    it seems for most people i meet, that if I want to be friends with them, I have to give for more than I receive.  When you find someone who genuinely and totally gives of them selves always.. they are the ones to keep close.  (maybe that's the reason why i don't have any really close friends)..

    that said, i have reconnected with my best girlfriend ever on facebook.. she's still that same loving spirit and i done her wrong years ago.. just being selfish.

    i should send her a present.

    (Mary, I'd like to, but I can't click on your link)

  • jenn3
    jenn3 Member Posts: 3,316
    edited January 2010

    Prettyinpink - You hit the nail on the head with my friend.  She lost her daughter during childbirth 27 years ago, it wasn't a good deal, more than likely could have been saved, but she was young -the staff mistreated her and didn't do what they should have done.  She is terrified of losing a family member or friends.  In addition she suffers with depression and anxiety on a regular basis.  She really does have a hard time looking out and seeing how successful she has been, successful businesses, beautiful home, great family, friends, etc.  

    With that said after reading what I wrote and everybody's wonderful advice, words of wisdom and support I think part of the problem is me.  Not that I caused a problem, but............ I've changed.  I have accepted the friendship as lopsided as it is without question for 30++ years.  It is me who has changed and expects something different from her now.  I'm not saying I did wrong and putting the blame on me. It's just that I'm realizing I expected her support, when I knew deep down I wasn't going to get it. Not in the way I needed it. So........... now the ball is in my court.  I need to really talk to her, tell her I'm hurt and then continue with the friendship as we have all of these years or move on.  

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited January 2010

    Jenn, isn't that the truth.  We do change so much, even if we can't see it.  Maybe it is hard on others who don't understand what we are going through.

  • jenn3
    jenn3 Member Posts: 3,316
    edited January 2010

    PIP - Yep, we do change and I think it's hard to see because we're going through so much.  I know that in just these past 6 months I've had to take a step back and realize how hard this has been for family members and close friends.  I have a friend that used to see a lot when our children were in elementary school together, but now we talk by phone for the most part becuase it just so happens that our jobs put us in touch with each other every so often.  Her husband was diagnosed around the same time I was with cancer.  She has called and emailed me several times in the last few months to talk because she is having a hard time understanding what he's going through.  It was then that I realized how hard it is for the caregiver(s) too.

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited January 2010

    You are so right.  It is hard for caregivers.  As we have seen on this board, there are as many different responses to a situation as there are people.  And caregivers, friends and family are no better at figuring out which one is the right one than we are.  Heck, we hardly know what is going on in our brains while we try to figure out where we fit in now!

  • KerryMac
    KerryMac Member Posts: 3,529
    edited January 2010

    I sometimes think it was harder for my husband than for me. He was the one left having to cope with organising everything, looking after me, looking after the kids, he has his own fears, etc.

    He found his work really suffered, he was lucky enough to have very, very understanding employers, who said to him, just do what you have to do. But he still felt like he was letting others he works with down. He did get a bit of counselling, which I think helped him a bit.

  • jenn3
    jenn3 Member Posts: 3,316
    edited April 2010

    Back in January I started this thread because I was missing my friend of 30+ years.  After writing this thread I had decided to take the first step and call her.  But.........went back to work, started radiation and STILL had very hurt feelings.  Fast forward to April and I still hadn't made the call because I just wasn't ready for the emotional mess that would come with it and I knew she wouldn't based on her personality - she hates confrontation.  Well........ two days ago her dad passed away, which I found out via Facebook.  I love her dad, he was there during our teenage years, marriages, children and every family event there was.  I was then faced with do I go to the services or not.  I didn't want her dad's services to turn into what happened between us these last 6-9 months. 

    I went to the services this morning - she needed her friend and I knew she would - she was "Daddy's Girl" and as he aged became his caregiver.    DH came with me to the services and as soon as she saw me she had a complete meltdown, hugged me and apologized for being a "bad friend".  I think at that point she had lumped the loss of her dad and the possible loss of a friend together.  She said she had driven by my home many times, but didn't stop because she felt so terrible for not being there.  We hugged for a VERY long time, tears flowing....... and I told her that we are friends for life!!!  I know that the next week will be very hard for her, going from total caregiver to the emptiness that follows - so I will spend some time with her next week and the weeks following - we can catch up and mend fences. 

    My DH doesn't quite understand how I can be so forgiving, but I told my him like in any relationship I have to accept her for who she is and know that she handles illness and death terribly and still love her regardless of what is a flaw in my eyes, because she loves me to spite my flaws (which we all have).  And..... I'm making the choice to continue the relationship knowing this may happen again. I guess it boils down to if you love somebody you love them all the way - no grudges - no resentment - the good stuff and the bad stuff.

  • AnacortesGirl
    AnacortesGirl Member Posts: 1,758
    edited April 2010

    Good for you!  You've followed your heart.  After what she has gone through I suspect she will be a better friend with more compassion.  Life can do that to us.

  • jenn3
    jenn3 Member Posts: 3,316
    edited April 2010

    Thank you!  I still tear up thinking of all the lost time and pain, but.......it's time for us to move forward and laugh again. 

  • lookingforward4more
    lookingforward4more Member Posts: 127
    edited April 2010

    You are a beautiful person, really, and you did the right thing by going to her dad's funeral! That said, you must remember that she has not been a good friend to you way BEFORE the breast cancer from what you wrote. I think we survivors tend to think of everything as before and after diagnosis but from your initial post she has not been a reliable friend for years and years. This will NEVER change. People don't change.

    I have a friend that is very similar. We were sorority sisters, she was in my wedding, we lived together, etc. but she drops in and out of my life on a whim and has never been there for me when I had any kind of crisis. Don't get me wrong, when she is "with" me she is wonderful, kind, funny, etc. But I can't count on her for anything. I have been hurt so many times by her lack of consistency because when I count someone as a close friend they become almost like family to me. I realized that she is narcessistic (sorry if I spelled that wrong) and its really ALL about her. I kind of figured this out now that she and I are "friends" on facebook. I have a window into her thought process and "life" .that I never had before. For instance, she has almost 700 "friends" and posts many  pictures of herself hoping for compliments, etc. She answers male friends MUCH faster than other women and all her posts are very pretentious about her music interests, concerts, culture, etc. Its like she is trying to prove how ecclectic she is. The reason I even mention this is because these very self-centered diatribes finally got me to realize that she does not think of others unless it is how they relate to HER or how they make her LOOK. She will answer those who she feels are important. She will NEVER change!

    The final straw for me was when I emailed her that my mother died suddenly. I never even heard back. She acts friendly on facebook occassionally but its just too much for me to handle. And it started WAY before I got breast cancer. I accept that she is not a friend at all, really. It breaks my heart but its true. I have good friends...and I surround myself with those who truly care and love me.

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