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wilsontp
wilsontp Member Posts: 104
edited June 2014 in Working on Your Fitness
The nutritionist at my onc's office has put me on a low-fat high fiber diet. This diet has been recommended in part for nutritional purposes. The low-fat, but good fat part is to increase health and the fiber is supposed to help the body filter carcinogens and estrogen.

This isn't a super strict Jane Plant plan. The plan is to keep fat at roughly 17% of total calories and fiber at 30 grams. However, it's okay to mess up once in a while (my nutritionist said so! )

But I need help. I love fat and sweets and have not been so fond of fiber. So, I thought maybe we could all get together and post tips and encourage each other to eat better.

So, here's my first tip. I have to supplement fiber and a little bit of protein. And I love chocolate. To put all these together, I use a small box of pudding, 1/2 cup of benefiber and a scoop (or less) of whey protein powder and mix together like pudding. Then, I take in ~270 calories, get 6 grams of fiber and 17 g of protein.

--Theresa
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  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited August 2005
    I've been working on adding more fiber to my diet. It is not that easy to get 30 grams.

    One article I read suggested bread with at least 5g per slice. Well that's pretty hard to find. The national brands are all lower than that. I have been getting to 4g with some from Whole Foods, but it's pretty dry.
  • wilsontp
    wilsontp Member Posts: 104
    edited August 2005
    I add the title "Picky Eater" to all this and it gets much more difficult. My dietician suggested alternate breads, but so far I haven't been able to manage it. They are just too dry, like you said.

    I did find that popcorn is fairly high in fiber. I eat a 94% fat free kind which gives me 4 grams of fat for the entire bag, get about 250 calories and 8 grams of fiber.

    I am eating mostly veggies for lunch. My dietician through that was good, but she wanted more protein, thus the protein additive to the pudding.

    --Theresa
  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited August 2005
    I usually have a turkey sandwich for lunch. I get too hungry without protein at lunch and then I eat something worse.

    What was her take on calcium?
  • wilsontp
    wilsontp Member Posts: 104
    edited August 2005
    I am also trying to limit my calories to 1700 day so that I can lose enough weight to get into a size 8. With 1700 calories a day, it's only 1 pound per week, so it's a slow go. But I'm also keeping a food diary, so that's helping.

    Do you just eat turkey (which is pretty good) or do you put mayo or butter on it? That's where I start to use up my fat grams.

    Her take on calcium is 1500 mg a day, 500 three times day, separate from large fiber intake because fiber interferes with the absorption of calcium. I'm using the chews (viactiv). So far I've had chocolate, chocolate mint and orange cream. They are pretty good and almost (almost) substitute for candy. I have bone mets so at first I thought that was why she wanted the calcium so high. But, I was talking with my 15 year old's pediatrician (sp) at Erin's physical and she believes that everyone, male and female, should be getting 1500 mg because everyone is living long enough to get osteoporosis and combined with our soda intake ...

    --Theresa
  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited August 2005
    I like those chews too. The pill kind gives me constipation. It is kind fo challenging to take these things so they don't conflict with one another. I have had some bad periods and am taking a bit of iron, which you shouldn't take with calcium. I'm kind of a walking pill bottle.

    I put mustard on my turkey sandwich. It's creamy, but lower in fat. Turkey can get kind of bland so the mustard perks it up.

    I have quit drinking diet soda, not because of the calcium depletion thing, but because I decided the artifical sweetner might be bothering me. I've been off it pretty much for a year. And my skin, which had been red and troubled, looks much better. This past weekend I went to a party and drank 3 diet sodas (there wasn't anything else non-alcoholic to drink), and my skin has gotten itchy and red. So I think the sweetners do bother me.

    Just call me the ice tea girl.
  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited August 2005
    Sara Lee sells a multi-grain bread - 4 grams of fiber per slice. Klondike cones, when available, is 98% fat free and has 4 grams of fiber in the cone. I can love that stuff.



    Nature's Path sells high fiber organic cereals and if you can find wheat bran or other bran to sprinkle on top that will add more.



    Don't forget those beans, beans, beans and split pea soup has something like 11 grams per 8oz. bowl. I forget, but its a high amount of fiber.



    Barley is rich in vitamin K which is also very good for strong bones. Once you get used to eating this way it becomes second nature and pretty filling. And you'll be looking for fiberous cones every where.;)
  • cowgirl
    cowgirl Member Posts: 777
    edited August 2005

    I eat a lot of fiber, I usually eat Life cereal or Oatmeal every morning. Then if you add veggies, fruit and more grain it will be close. It takes a lot of thinking though!

  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited August 2005
    I like split pea soup with pumpernickle bread.



    I"m ok with bean soups, but my family isn't. I don't particularly mind but I do end up eatting something different from what they're having.



    I have a bread machine, gathering dust in my kitchen, I should see what those recipes are like fiber-wise.



    For awhile I was giving the children instant oatmeal for breakfast, but then I read that it has too much sugar in it.



  • wilsontp
    wilsontp Member Posts: 104
    edited August 2005
    Klondike cones as in ice cream cones?

    --Theresa
  • wilsontp
    wilsontp Member Posts: 104
    edited August 2005
    Except for Tab a long time ago, I haven't drunk diet soda. I discover when aspartame first came out that it gave me migraines - almost the instant it touched my tongue. Then I heard that it causes short-term memory loss. I don't have enough memory to give up any. So, I drink fully leaded, fully sugared soda. But I'm trying to cut down on that as well. It's 160 calories I can spend another way.

    --Theresa
  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited August 2005

    Are you supposed to be losing weight or just going low fat?

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited August 2005
    yup, Klondike as in ice cream. Weight Watchers have cones too but I never looked to see what the fiber content is.

    Problem is, I can't find the Klondikes anymore. Figures they'd come up with a healthy ice cream and it's no where to be found. I must have been dreaming.

    A nice reward for yourself is a fruit smoothie. Just look up which fruits have the most fiber, such as an apple with skin, and in it goes. My smoothies are not too smooth. More like chewies. Have fun with the diet so you don't get bored with it and it will become second nature.
  • wilsontp
    wilsontp Member Posts: 104
    edited August 2005
    Good question ...

    She asked me if I thought my weight was fine. (This after I lost 15 pounds in the latest fight with breast cancer.)

    I'm 5'2'' and 145 lbs. Most people don't believe I weigh that much and I don't tend to look at my weight but rather my clothes size. That's a 10 (now), but might even be borderline 8/10 without the abdominal bulge I was gifted with during the TRAM flap procedure.

    Anyway, I told her I could probably stand to lose some weight and she didn't disagree. BUT, I shouldn't lose more than 1 pound per week. So, if I aim for 1700 calories and I exercise consistently at a moderate rate, 1700 wouldn't take off more than 1 pound. Right now, I figure I might be losing 1 pound every 2-3 weeks. Maybe. Or I might just be holding my own.

    My goal is a size 8, so I've probably only got about 10 pounds to lose anyway. I'm also thinking that changing the substance of what I eat may change not so much the weight but perhaps my body shape. (Although that is pure guess work. No research to back that up.)

    But, the main focus is changing the diet. The diet should be first where it's low-fat, high-fiber and roughly 1600-1700 calories per day. Those were her instructions.

    --Theresa
  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited August 2005
    Rosemany - you are right about that lentil soup.
    11g fiber, and 110 calories. That's efficient.

    If I get myself in gear I could make it and it would even be pretty cheap. Probably I need to buy a bottle of beano. It make take some adjusting to.
  • wilsontp
    wilsontp Member Posts: 104
    edited August 2005
    Rosemary,

    Try this website Klondike Locator. They say they aren't around me, but maybe you'll be luckier.

    --Theresa
  • wilsontp
    wilsontp Member Posts: 104
    edited August 2005
    One more thing, then I'm off to the kitchen to cook split-pea soup (it's raining and less humid today. I think I'll be okay!)

    I haven't thought about this recipe in a long time, but Iranian friends of mine gave me a recipe for Adas Polo. It's a rice and lentil dish, topped with carmalized onions and raisins. It's is so very good and I checked the nutritional content. There are 14g of fat (but pretty healthy portions) and 12-13g of fiber! And, I think it's delicious. The middle eastern spices are there, but not too heavy. The lentils can be a little dry but are perked up by the sweet onions and raisins.

    Point: I can share the recipe if you are interested. In any case, I think I know what my family is eating this weekend. (The kids will kill me!)

    --Theresa
  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited August 2005
    Theresa,

    Thanks for the locator, not near me either anymore. What is in that lentil dish that has 14g of fat? Sure share the recipe, I love new ideas.
  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited August 2005
    Theresa - doesn't sound like you need to lose too much weight. I don't think I ever fit into a size 8.

    So on Thursday we have pizza, except I didn't have any so it was soup tonite. I gave my children chicken and hubby and I had the lentil. And everybody ate their dinner.
  • wilsontp
    wilsontp Member Posts: 104
    edited August 2005
    Rose,

    Why no pizza? If I'm careful, I found that I can include a slice of pizza every now and then.

    Thanks for the comments about my weight. I am 5'2" and I used to wear a size 5. Now, I'd be happy with an 8. I've been up to a 14, but that was pre-cancer. I've come down ever so slowly in the last 4 years.

    I made the split pea soup. It didn't smell so good - I think it was the curry powder. I tasted it and that seemed good. But I didn't really get to eat it. I had to take the kids for school supplies and there was a very limited window with all their activities. So, hopefully tomorrow.

    --Theresa
  • wilsontp
    wilsontp Member Posts: 104
    edited August 2005
    Here's the rice and lentil recipe:

    Quote:

    Adas Polo

    Recipe By :
    Serving Size : 8 Preparation Time :0:00
    Categories :

    Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
    -------- ------------ --------------------------------
    3 cups basmati rice
    10 cups water
    1 1/2 cups lentil
    8 cups water
    4 tablespoons oil
    2 teaspoons salt
    1/4 teaspoon saffron
    2 whole onions -- chopped
    2 cloves garlic -- chopped
    3 tablespoons oil
    1 cup raisin
    1/2 teaspoon cinnamon
    1/2 teaspoon turmeric
    1/2 teaspoon cumin
    1/2 teaspoon salt
    1/4 teaspoon pepper
    1 whole potato

    Wash lentils thoroughly; add water to a medium-sized pot and boil uncovered on medium-high for 10-15 minutes or until done. (Don't overcook). Drain lentils in a colander, saving the liquid. Dissolve the saffron in a small amount of hot water and add to the lentils. Set aside.
    ash the rice thoroughly. To a separate pot add water, half of the oil and salt and bring to a boil. On high heat, boil the rice for about 10-15 minutes or until slightly soft. Drain rice in a large colander and rinse with warm water.
    Select a large, heavy bottom pot. Coat the bottom of the pot with the ramining oil and add 1/3 of the rice. Add 1/3 of the lentils and mix well. Repeat until all the rice and lentils are mixed in the pot. Shape the rice/lentil mixture into a pyramid and cover with a lid and steam over a medium to medium low heat for about 30-40 minutes.
    Slice the onions thinly and lightly brown (carmelize) over low heat with oil. Add the remaining ingredients and cook fo rabout 5 more minutes. Serve the lentil rice mixture on a serving platter and top off with the carmelized onion mixture.




    You can put sliced potatoes on the bottom of the pan holding the rice and lentils which helps prevent the rice from burning. Also, the potatoes taste really good.
  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited August 2005
    That looks good. Raisins are something I like.

    IF the lentils don't have bacon in them they need extra seasoning. I'm kind of a southern girl, so bacon always tastes good to me.
  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited August 2005
    Theresa,

    Thanks for the recipe. I looked up basmati rice since I've never heard of it before. The brown version has more fiber. Thanks, I've found a new rice if they have it in the stores.

    I have a quick veggie recipe that I do once a week.

    Fry in olive oil
    1 onion
    broccoli florets
    loads of fresh spinach
    mushrooms
    squeeze lime juice on top and throw in the lime also.
    before serving add some teriyaki sauce and toss
    and serve over brown rice.

    This takes less then 10 mins to cook.

    Thanks for the lentil recipe.
  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited August 2005
    Now that you can buy that spinach washed in bags I am more into cooking with it. If I have to de-stem it and wash it carefully it will just sit in my refrigerator until it turns into mush.

    I still don't see where that lentil dish can possibly get 14g of fat per serving. It doesn't seem like there is that much oil in it.

    I'd always counted calories before, and I'm pretty good at knowing about that. This fat/fiber thing is a whole different thing. I went to the library and checked out low-fat diet books. Finally I found one with a really good listing of fat/fiber counts and I've been looking things up in that.
  • wilsontp
    wilsontp Member Posts: 104
    edited August 2005
    Rose,

    Now, spinach washed in a bag wouldn't contain a carcinogen, would it

    Anyway, I get the values from my Mastercook computer program. It does have 9 tablespoons of oil and when I removed those, the fat content went down to 2 g. So, I suppose if you tried using less oil, the fat content would also decrease.

    Also, there is a lot of food for the 1 serving, so 14 g isn't that expensive when it really serves as almost the whole meal (grains, protein, fruit & vegetable.)

    I'm having a hard time getting back on the fiber bandwagon. I had chemo last Wednesday (10 days ago.) I was okay, until I hit the three bad days. During that time, I don't worry about my food intake AT ALL. However, since I returned, I've had a harder time getting my fiber intake up.

    I have to admit that my calorie intake has only come up to 1600 in the last few days (this is how I lose weight during chemo), but I'm not sure what is happening on the fiber front. It's frustrating.

    --Theresa
  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited August 2005
    Theresa,

    I found a list of foods that gives the fiber content. Eventually, you'll have the list in your head so when you go shopping, you'll be choosing one veggie/fruit over the other, and it will become second nature to do it.

    http://www.slrhc.org/healthinfo/dietaryfiber/fibercontentchart.html

    You may be needing a little extra energy during this chemo time. Fruit smoothies may put a bounce in your step and you won't even have to chew much.

    Rosemary
  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited August 2005
    Well I don't cook the spinach in the bag. That isn't healthy at all!

    I keep chicken broth in a tupperware container in my frig. When I saute things I put that in instead of oil. I use a little oil, but try to keep things wet with the broth. I like keeping it in a clear container. I'm always worried that it will get moldy in those paper box things and I won't know until I've poured it all over something.

    I hope you're feeling better Theresa.
  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited August 2005
    Rose

    I use to feel the same way about oil until I read all the benefits of getting in at least one tbl. spoon of olive oil every day. There was a time when just the thought of olive oil would make me ill.

    Today, I'm finding all different ways of getting it in. Nut oil is also high in oleic acid which is the ingredient that does its magic for us.
  • wilsontp
    wilsontp Member Posts: 104
    edited August 2005
    Rose,

    I saw the nutritionist a couple of weeks ago. She seemed to think I was doing fine. Maybe my standards were too high! I don't know. I've had a couple of off days since then (a night out with family and my wedding anniversary), but other than that, I'm doing okay.

    Does the chicken broth flavor things or do the ingredients you put in the frying pan taste the same as they would with the oil?

    --Theresa
  • wilsontp
    wilsontp Member Posts: 104
    edited August 2005
    Rosemary,

    I started looking at the ice cream and fiber. I found a healthy choice variety that was low-fat, no aspartame and even had fiber. I can't remember the brand. I'm not at home now, so I can't go check, but if you're interested, I can find out.

    --Theresa
  • wilsontp
    wilsontp Member Posts: 104
    edited August 2005
    Since I heard this, I try to use olive oil instead of the veggie/corn oil I had used in the past. I'm pretty sure I get at least 1 tbsp a day!

    --Theresa

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