Alternatives to Mammography

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2009

    Angee wrote: He knows nothing about themagraphy but he is willing to learn. Angee hold on to your BS if he/she is a good surgeon. From what my Therm Doc said, many of them wont even look at the Therm results. He also said they never call to discuss his findings and few are willing to add the results to the patients permanent file. If you have one who is open minded that is a very, very good thing. 

    Check the link below for a ThermDoc. I saw one from KY on the list'

    Deni, did you check this link for one in your area?

     http://www.iact-org.org/links.html

  • deni63
    deni63 Member Posts: 601
    edited December 2009

    Yes, I did but the name that comes up in NY and NJ is one that I have not heard good things about. I do see now that I look at it again there is another option. It is not close to me, but I can check him out! Thanks!

  • Angee
    Angee Member Posts: 18
    edited December 2009
    Carole, Interesting that BC Dr's won't look at them. I really like my surgeon and my oncologist. They are both WONDERFUL. So far anyway, lol. Both know I am refusing all conventional treatments (cept surgery) and have agreed to watch me anyway. I feel very fortunate that they have agreed to keep an eye on me. I think the Idy Dr's are closer then the KY Dr. for me. I am going to call both Indy Doctors Monday. I am so grateful I found this forum. It is helping and teaching me. Hugs to all!!
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2009
    Fantastic Deni! I hope you find someone. Thankfully it's inexpensive and effective so once you find somone you can monitor your health without being held hostage by your medical plan like I am.

    Angee, I know how you feel. The women here gave voice and validity to my decision to adopt an alternative approach to healing as it really seemed to be the road less traveled. I had no idea there were others out there like me. My MedOnc told me that everyone follows their protocol. Your Docs sound wonderful and a rare breed. Maybe they will join the call for safer more effective screening.

    Springtime, my copy of Integrative Oncology arrived today. Thank you for the recommendation. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2009
  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 2,167
    edited December 2009

    Great videos efllorescing! Love the quote:

    "Thermal imaging may be the screening method of choice in as little as 5 years."

    Hallalueh!

    My surgeon would not even look at my 3 three therms. Needless to say, I no longer look at him! Adios!

  • seaotter
    seaotter Member Posts: 1,083
    edited December 2009

    Whenever I read something about the therms it always says they are good when accompanied by mams????

    Vivre - I bought a portable sauna. My hubby really likes it. I do to but I worry about my arm with it. I don't want lymphedema! I try to keep my arm hanging out of it and that works fairly well.

    Patty

  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited December 2009

    Hi Seaotter,

    As much as some people want to view thermography as an alternative to mammography,it just isn't so.  That's why you see those disclaimers at all the thermography sites.  At present, thermography is intended for use in addition to mammography, not instead of.   I just can't understand how pretty pictures and relative low cost and the fact that it doesn't HURT justify promoting a procedure that hasn't been shown to be an effective substitute???  Even the IACT says thermography is not intended to be a substitute for mammograms.  I'm excited about thermographic research and its potential, but as of now it's not recommended as a substitute.  Does anyone know of any current trials involving thermology?  I'd love to hear more and/or volunteer to participate.  As always, the more we know, the more we know!

    Directly from the IACT (International Academy of Clinical Thermology):

    =========QUOTE===========

    Is Breast Thermography an Alternative to Mammography?

    In response to the growing confusion regarding the current accepted role of thermography for use in breast cancer screening and detection, the International Academy of Clinical Thermology issues the following position statement:

    The proper role of thermography is not as a replacement for mammography.

    Breast thermography is a complementary screening and detection procedure, which when added to a woman's breast health examination substantially increases the sensitivity in detecting pathologies associated with the breast. As a unique physiological examination procedure, breast thermography is the only known test that can also serve as an early warning system by identifying women who have high-risk pre-cancerous infrared imaging markers. The procedure can also play a role in prognosis and as a method of assisting in monitoring the effects of treatment.

    Why Thermography is Not a Replacement for Mammography

    * There is no one test that can detect 99-100% of all cancers. Therefore, no single test exists that can be used alone as an adequate screening or detection method for breast cancer.

    * A physiological imaging procedure (thermography) cannot replace an anatomical imaging procedure (mammography). The two tests are "looking" for completely different pathological processes.

    * Thermography is far more sensitive than mammography. However, some slow growing non-aggressive cancers will only be detected by mammography.

    =======END QUOTE===========

  • seaotter
    seaotter Member Posts: 1,083
    edited December 2009

    Thanks thenewme for the article. Well, since I don't plan on having a mam ever again I'm going to ask for an ultra sound instead!!!! The mams I did have did not find my tumor for 2 years or more!!! That makes me very leery of them!!! My boob that the tumor was in is still sooooo sensitive, I will not have it squished!

    Patty

  • Nan56143
    Nan56143 Member Posts: 349
    edited December 2009

    Study verifies mammograpy screeing causes cancer...now I just have to find the link for the RSNA.

    http://www.naturalnews.com/027742_mammography_radiation.html

  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited December 2009

    Hi Nan,

    Is this the RSNA article you were looking for?  Unfortunately it's not nearly as simple an equation as "mammography screening causes cancer."  The title of the article is actually

    " Mammography May Increase Breast Cancer Risk in Some High-Risk Women"

    http://www.rsna.org/Media/rsna/RSNA09_newsrelease_target.cfm?id=446

    It's an interesting article and a critical thing to be researching, but in the end, the article concludes :

    ====QUOTE=======

    In general, early detection with mammography and prompt treatment can significantly improve a woman's chances of survival. More than 90 percent of women whose breast cancer is found in an early stage will survive. For young, high-risk women and their doctors, it is important to weigh the benefits against any potential risk when making a decision about annual breast cancer screening with mammography. 

  • CrunchyPoodleMama
    CrunchyPoodleMama Member Posts: 1,220
    edited December 2009

    Mammography May Increase Breast Cancer Risk in Some High-Risk Women

    Now see, a headline like that scares me. Since I have cancer, I'm obviously "high-risk"... plus I've had four mammograms in the last three months alone because of my surgery, and I'm sure they'll force me to have more before this is all over. All that before I turn 39. So I'm pretty much guaranteeing myself a higher risk of recurrence. Tongue out (Obviously I'm hoping to counteract that risk with diet/lifestyle, but still...)

  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited December 2009

    Oh no, don't get me wrong - it scares me too!  I was just pointing out that

    "mammography may increase risk in some women" doesn't translate to "mammography causes breast cancer."

    I'm definitely banking on researchers eventually coming up with a true viable alternative to mammography, but at the moment, none of our screening methods are perfect "alternatives" and all have their shortcomings. 

    I'm now at high risk too, and just turned 40 but I won't have to decide on another mammogram (I only had one - the one I was diagnosed with), since I had a double mastectomy.  The best I can hope for is that some of the current research will pan out for my friends and family and children so they will have a reliable alternative to mammograms.

  • RunswithScissors
    RunswithScissors Member Posts: 323
    edited December 2009

    Thanks Nan.

    I heard that story this morning on NPR. I listened as I was driving to my radiation appointment.Yell

    When they said, "people are getting more radiation than we thought" I just about turned my car around. 

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 2,167
    edited December 2009

    So glad I got my NAC. I am starting my radiation chelation today!

  • deni63
    deni63 Member Posts: 601
    edited December 2009

    Let us know how that goes. I looked at my tongue today and it is BLUE! I never noticed before you mentioned it. YIKES!

  • CrunchyPoodleMama
    CrunchyPoodleMama Member Posts: 1,220
    edited December 2009

    "mammography may increase risk in some women" doesn't translate to "mammography causes breast cancer."

    I hear you, thenewme, I do. I guess to me, though, that's like saying "smoking may increase the risk of lung cancer in some people" as opposed to "smoking causes lung cancer." I have a bit of cynicism in thinking that the mammography industry would never admit that it outright DOES cause cancer unless forced to by law.

  • Nan56143
    Nan56143 Member Posts: 349
    edited December 2009

    Crunchy,

    (Quote)...

    I have a bit of cynicism in thinking that the mammography industry would never admit that it outright DOES cause cancer unless forced to by law.

    As I posted on another bc site....that won't happen in my lifetime. With all these cancer foundations heavily vested in the mammography industry...not a chance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited December 2009

    Hi Crunchy,

    I'm really not trying to be argumentative.  It's really interesting to me how differently people can see things, and I enjoy the rational discussion.

    You said,  "...that's like saying 'smoking may increase the risk of lung cancer in some people' as opposed to "smoking causes lung cancer."

    To me, that's comparing apples to oranges since the link between smoking and lung cancer has been qualitatively proven.  As of now, there is increasing evidence that excess radiation may increase some people's risk of cancer in the future.  That's very different from statistics from the American Cancer Society, that say half of all Americans who continue to smoke WILL DIE from it, and cigarette smoking accounts for at least 30% of all cancer deaths.   http://www.cancer.org/docroot/PED/content/PED_10_2X_Cigarette_Smoking.asp?sitearea=PED

    Is it just semantics, or is there a real difference?  I think there's a real difference, both qualitatively and quantitatively. I'm so glad these studies are getting more attention; hopefully that will translate into the development of better/more efficient/safer screening methods.  Even in the article Nan linked to above about CT radiation dangers, the author advises us to ask our doctors about safer methods of screening. The trouble is, CTs and mammograms are the best we have currently available.

    I disagree that the mammogram industry will never admit to causing cancer.  I think it will be forced by science rather than law.  There is a lot of research going on about this issue, and hopefully the mammography industry will roll with the movement toward safer screening rather than drowning in the sea of denial.  

    I just think it's much more of a gray area (no pun intended, haha!) than black and white.  Don't radiologists, mammographers, oncologists, ACS, etc., concede the potential danger of radiation and agree that the subject warrants further study?  I think they (and we) just do the best with what we have currently.

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