First and Second Breast Cancer Diagnosed 3 Months Apart?

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beth87
beth87 Member Posts: 5

Hi, this is my first post here. :) It looked like the best message board to talk to people who have been through similar situations. I saw a similar post a little further down, but my mum's case is a little different.

My mum was diagnosed with Breast Cancer in early September, and had a lumpectomy (the lump was 2cm) in October. After her wounds finally healed (which took much longer than it should have because her stitches kept bursting), she went into chemo; she's doing 6 sessions 3 weeks apart. Right before her second session today, her surgeon told her that he took a culture the last time he fixed her stitches and he believes that she may have cancer again in the same breast.

They say the chemo she's currently going through will kill it (if it is, indeed, a threat), or they may have to give her a partial mastectomy. I know the survival rate decreases significantly when a woman has a mastectomy after a lumpectomy, and I hope she doesn't have to go through that.

I know that it could be anything, from a benign lump to some scar tissue. But, I'm worried that his suspicion is going to turn out to actually be malignant, because he's based it off of a tissue culture rather than a lump on an xray (which could be any number of things). Now, her oncologist won't tell her exactly what's going on, and I'm not sure if its because they're not optimistic or if they're just not sure.  

I was just wondering if anyone here has been through a similar situation? How did it turn out? Is it possible for the cancer to grow that quickly? From September 2009 to December 2009? Or, did her doctor just miss this second lump? 

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  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited December 2009

    Beth ~ Did your Mother have an MRI prior to her lumpectomy?  If not, I'm thinking something may have been missed, but it's really hard to tell for sure.  I'm also curious about what type of bc she has and her hormone stats.  Unfortunately, there are a couple of types that are quite aggressive (IBC and Triple Negative BC), and that could be another possible explanation.  

    But I'm not entirely comfortable with her surgeon not having what sounds like a definitive diagnosis and what sounds to me like just hoping the chemo will take care of the problem, if there is a problem.  That seems a bit odd to me.  Is your Mother's surgeon a breast surgeon?  I may be overreacting, but I think if I was in your Mother's situation, I would want a second opinion from a breast surgeon.  I also don't like not getting straight answers from her oncologist.  It sounds to me like they don't know what's going on, which isn't at all reassuring.

    And as far as a poorer survival rate for women who have a lumpectomy followed by a mastectomy -- goodness, I hope that's not true, since I and many other women on these boards have had to do just that.  Like many women here, I feel like I've read enough breast cancer research articles to have a masters in it by now, and I don't think I've ever come across that information, so I'd be interested to know where you found it.  It just doesn't sound credible to me, at least not based on simply having a lumpectomy and then going on to a mastectomy because the bc turned out to be more extensive than originally believed.  It almost seems like the reverse would be true based on having the more aggressive surgery.    

    So sorry your Mum is dealing with this, but I know she must be very grateful for your help, and I'm glad you've found us tonight and hope we can help you figure some of this out.   Deanna

  • beth87
    beth87 Member Posts: 5
    edited December 2009
    Thank you so much for your response! This message board has been so helpful.  

    My mum has Invasive Ductal Carcinoma (I think it was Stage II, but I'm not sure about her hormone details). I hope its not aggressive, and that this new suspicion isn't a sign that its just going to keep coming back. But, I also read that it can easily spread to other parts of the breast, and from there, it can spread throughout her body. Now, that he's missed this, I'm absolutely freaking out that its going to spread further than her breast. And I can't believe how nonchalant her doctors are being, because this could be something very serious now.

    I read that statistic about mastectomies after lumpectomies on a general breast cancer website, but I can't find the page again. Its really, really a huge relief that you've never come across that information. I've only read a few articles about breast cancer, so I'm going to take your word for it that what I found wasn't credible! :)

    Ugh, and don't get me started about my mum's doctor. He had a to restitch her about 5 times because the wounds kept bursting, and it wasn't until another doctor redid her stitches that they actually healed. He never communicated with our family, he told my mum she needed emergency surgery for her stitches but never actually got around to doing it, and his receptionist has made my mum cry on more than one occasion. AND, I just found out that he didn't give her an MRI before her lumpectomy, so I guess it is likely that he missed something. :\ This is probably unrelated but I just had to vent lol. 

    He's not a breast surgeon, and I'm going to take your advice for sure. Next time my mum goes to her oncologist, I'm going to make sure she asks to see a breast surgeon for a second opinion. My boyfriend thinks she should file a malpractice suit against her current surgeon, but I think that might be going too far.
  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited December 2009

    Beth ~  I've never heard of needing to be restitched 5 times either.  That's unbelievable!  I would definitely document everything that's happened to date -- just so you have it in your files.  Malpractice suits are very hard to prove, but complaints to a governing medical board (don't know where you are, but if in the US, it's by state), are appropriate and could save someone else the pain and disappointment -- although I'd probably leave that for a future project and just put all of you and your Mum's energy and effort into getting her well right now.

    You know, I think one of the most important things we can have is a medical team we feel confidant in, so I would strongly encourage you to find doctors she really likes and who communicate better.  It might be a little more effort right now, but in the long run, I think it's that important.  What you've described about your Mum's surgeon and staff is just wrong and makes me very angry just reading it.     Deanna

  • beth87
    beth87 Member Posts: 5
    edited December 2009

    Yeah, its a pretty crazy situation!! I'm not at all impressed with this doctor, and if we do have to go through this again after her chemo is over, we're certainly going to file a complaint and get a new doctor!

  • Carolina59
    Carolina59 Member Posts: 232
    edited December 2009

    Beth,

    I'm sorry your mother is going through this. As someone who was not diagnosed in a timely way, I would recommend not waiting to get that 2nd opinion. Her surgeon sounds incompetent at best, and if he suspects that culture is cancer, where is the pathology report? Ask for a copy of it. If he hasn't sent it to pathology, then there is something wrong with him. Get more information and advocate for your mother! She may not feel well enough while on chemo to do it for herself. Get her original pathology report (from the lumpectomy) with the diagnosis and particulars of HER cancer--is it hormone positive? HER2 positive? These are things she and you (as her advocate) should know.

    Her doctors should be fully disclosing to her and to anyone else who is advocating for her EVERYTHING they know about her diagnosis, treatment, etc. Do not let them give you vague answers.

    When I got vague answers and didn't pursue it further, the cancer grew in me for another year. It wasn't until I finally went to a major cancer center that I was properly diagnosed, and they did all the tests--PET/CT, MRI, etc. before my surgery. I was fortunate that it had not gone to my nodes or metastasized. If there is a cancer ctr. near you, get an appt. with a breast surgeon as soon as possible. You don't have to wait until she finishes chemo to get a 2nd opinion.

    Best wishes to your mom and you.

  • beth87
    beth87 Member Posts: 5
    edited December 2009
    We got the first pathology report, but they just threw it in with her brochures. Yesterday, I finally got my brother to email everything on the report, and just researched everything myself:

    Location of Cancer: (IDC Invasaive Ductal Carcinoma)
    Tumour Grade: 2
    Tumour Size: 2.2cm
    Lymph Node Involvement: Negative ( 0 none involved)
    * they say there were 3 nodes they took out, thats what I think it says I cant read the rest of the writing.
    Hormone Receptor Status: ER positive and PR positive
    HER2 Status (Hormones): negative

    We have yet to receieve a pathology report about this new culture, though.

    I'm definitely taking your advice, though, and going to the Cancer Centre in our area. I'm making an appointment right now, in fact!

    She has arthritis and bursitis, but a bone scan has already ruled out metsasis in her joints (thankfully). But, its going to take A MONTH for her to get her an MRI and I would think they would try to have it rushed since we're talking about Cancer and all, but they don't seem to be phased by it. :\ So, hopefully the Cancer Centre or our family doctor can help rush the process.
  • Carolina59
    Carolina59 Member Posts: 232
    edited December 2009

    Hi Beth, I'm glad to read that you're making an appt. at the cancer ctr. near you. Are you in Canada or somewhere outside the US? I'm glad you have the path. report--can't believe they "just threw it in with her brochures." Yikes. Call and ask for the 2nd path. report, too, as well as the bone scan report. You'll want all of this to take with you for the 2nd opinion, but you should have all the reports anyway for your own records.

    It really does take some research to begin to understand what it all means, but don't get freaked out by reading too much online. I hope you can get your mother in with an excellent oncologist who will be very thorough in explaining everything and answering all of her/your questions. 

    Keep us posted on how it goes. Good luck! 

  • beth87
    beth87 Member Posts: 5
    edited January 2010
    Update! A CT scan revealed that, whatever my doctor found in my mum's breast wasn't Cancer!

    My mum's legs were killing her to the point that she couldn't walk. She was worried her arthritis and bursitis were acting up, and the doctor she went to see (which wasn't her surgeon or oncologist) was worried it might be metstatsis. He got her a CT scan for her whole body right away (while her surgeon said she'd have to wait a month for an MRI), and it showed that there was no Cancer in her breast OR in her legs.

    So, that's the good news! The bad news is that her surgeon is still a flake, and I'm working on getting her moved to Sunnybrook. :)

    Thanks for all of your help and support.
  • Snappygoddess
    Snappygoddess Member Posts: 91
    edited February 2010

    Hi Beth...I'm sorry your mother had to be put through all of that crap because of a poor excuse for a doctor.. and I am glad she doesn't have cancer.

    I was diagnosed in Oct '08 of breast cancer...IDC..Stage III Grade 3 and had a lumpectomy..no lymph node involement. I went through chemo, finished it in April '09 and started radiation and finished it in August '09. Went for my 3 month checkup mammogram in October '09 and it was clean.. saw the film myself.

    In January '10 I found another lump in the same breast, different location. It was very small.. only a .5, Grade 3, Stage 1. In 3 months time.. I had cancer again!! If it weren't for me being diligent about self breast exams, who knows how long it would have been before I found it again?? The breast surgeon and panel of doctors were just blown away that there was nothing there and in just 3 months time.. another lump.

    I had a mastectomy because my cancer is genetic, triple negative receptors and it was the best option. 9 lymph nodes were removed and the biopsy was clean...no more cancer. 

    You can best believe I will be checking for the rest of my life. My mother died from breast cancer in '72 when I was only 17 and I will not go down the same way she did.!!

    Best of luck to each of you going through this dreadful disease  HUGS

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