Help. So scared!
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Very encouraging posts! So glad you are all still here on this site helping all of us get through this!!!!!! I really didn't read much of the stage 3 boards up until now but should have been hanging around here much sooner.
DCMom - You said exactly what my radiation oncologist told me this week as I am getting my last few boosts, don't wallow in statistics.
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Hi Everyone,
Many thanks yet again...
Well, I saw my Doctor yesterday (my regualr GP) he was quite encouraging and urged me to accept the chemo if it was recommended, and to ask questions as to the statistics. He also said (as he read off the screen) that it was a very common cancer and that maybe I could be treated with Tamoxifen and radiotherapy without any chemp. That made me feel more hopeful. But, like he said, I need the views of the Oncologist.
The hospital rang me yesterday with a cancellation and have booked me to see a Dr Oncologist tomorrow at 2pm. The cancer-care nurse phoned later and suggested I ask questions such as "what would be the difference statistically if I did not have chemo and just had radiotherapy" Would the benefits be the same?
Has anyone else found this to be true? I suppose I really just have to wait until tomorrow to find out all the details. I will post back to you with those ER/PR size grade etc details. Will take a pen and paper with me and my friend.
To Pure E...yes, I do belong to a supportive Church and there are a few there who are willing to help. You are so right about being with positive people...its amazing what negative things some people come out with, not realizing. Thanks for saying I shall be walking along that beach again next year...I needed to hear that! I am so glad you are doing so well and preggies too.
Love and God bless to you all,
xxx
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Merry - I would imagine with your +'ve nodes, they will recommend Chemo. My Onc told me that Chemo would reduce my risk of reoccurance by 50%. It is totally up to you, obviously, whether you choose to do it or not. I would strongly urge you to consider it - it is really not that terrible, and they do have all sorts of medications to help counteract the bad side effects.
Radiation is far more helpful in preventing a local reoccurance. Chemo is more for the rest of your body. My Onc gave me an analogy of a Dandelion Field - you can cut down all the dandelions but if one seed escapes, the next thing you know is you have a field full of dandelions again. Chemo can help prevent the cancer from popping up again in another part of your body.
Anyhow, let us know how the appointment goes tomorrow. And remember, Chemo is not the end of the world. You will get through it.
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Merry,
Most likely the onc will want you to have chemo. Us stage 3'ers don't normally get the "option". Obviously, you have the right to refuse it...but we normally get the sink thrown at us. That is a GOOD thing, Merry!
By the way...be careful who you listen to in the medical field. SOME GP's know very little about the treatment plans for BC. My GP was out one day so I had to see a partner of his. I ended up having to explain what a PET scan was. Find an onc that you trust .
Hope you are doing well today
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Merry, I am sorry you have had to deal with all you've been thru, but you are so in the right place. There are so many wonderful women here to help you thru this. You are in the hardest part of your diagnosis. Although chemo is rough, it is bearable. They have so many drugs out now that prevent you from getting really sick from side effects. You WILL get through this. Once you visit your onc and get your treatment plan appoinments scheduled you will feel more in control. Take one day at a time.. This is not the time for YOU to be STRONG for everyone else. Your family needs to be strong for you. Rely on them for comfort and support, and don't feel you have to "stay Positive" as many people will tell you. There are days for tears and dumping on peoples shoulders. Another thing... stay close to the stage 3ers on this forum. They are a wonderful group of women. Stage 3 is scarey but there is treatment for it and you have years of life ahead of you.
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Dear Merry, as the other women have echoed, we're sorry you are now a member of this club, but as many people have told me "if you have to have cancer, breast cancer is one with a high cure rate". Please keep in mind several things:
1. Recovery from surgery takes a while. The anesthetic is a central nervous system depressant that stays in your body fat and can have an effect on your body for awhile. That, on top of the diagnosis, will take an emotional toll. Added to that are pain, discomfort, etc. There are many physical influences on your emotional state, so it's not all about having the right attitude.
2. You are going to have bad days and allow yourself to feel those emotions. I have been very impatient with myself regarding recover and it just causes more anxiety.
3. Take advantage of all the physical resources you can. Since you are in the UK, I took the liberty of looking up some things and found http://www.cancerhelp.org.uk/index.htm, http://www.breastcancercare.org.uk/, http://breakthrough.org.uk/. You may want to contact them directly and ask about resources in your area. Also, ask your oncologist about cancer resources in your area--they should be the ones to have that information. In the U.S., many communities have cancer support or cancer information centers that can provide information and services. Ask about this in your area.
4. The advice given to me when I was first diagnosed is if chemo is offered take it. It's much more manageable these days, but I have found that the treatment for side effects varies. I'm aware of a woman who got her chemo in at a rural hospital and was given no anti-nausea meds. There are multiple ways to treat the side effects and if they don't offer them, ask!
5. Another piece of advice I was given was to "ask for what you want". If you're not happy with what your care team is doing, ask for other options/team members. At some level you have to go with your gut instinct on things.
6. Perhaps ask one of your friends from church to set up a meal delivery sign up and transportation help for you during chemo. You can also include neighbors or others who may seem like only acquaintances, but would love to help you. My friends did this for me through a web site called www.lotsahelpinghands.com. Oftentimes others might not know what you need and you may not know what you need, but I can tell you that having meals delivered was a big help to my family and it was nice to always have someone with me at my chemo sessions. You may not know what you need now, but that's ok and things will change over time.
I hope this information has helped you some. I wish you God's peace as you go through this process.
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Hi Everyone,
feeling very vulnerable and shakey today after my appointment with the oncologist yesterday. She was very nice and supportive, but all the info and time spent there really was hard.
Found out these facts:-
Cancer was large 6cms.
11 our of 17 (total) lymph nodes cancerous
It is a very high risk cancer!!!
I am ER negative (so no tomixifen)
I am Her or is it HR2? negative
Grade 3
She would not commit to saying whether I was stage 3 or more.
I have to have a scan to find out if the cancer has spread
Highly recommended chemo to start January 4th for 6 sessions every 3 weeks (not the 16 the consultant had said) but this will not be the "standard" chemo. it is something called TAC using 3 drugs.
Radiotherapy after the chemo ends.
Steroids to take 3 days each 3 weeks - day before.on the day and day after.
An injection from a nurse the day after for the bone marrow (?)
Loads of information that made my head swim.
But...she said that is the very best form of defence available to give me a chance.
I feel sick and scared and the "what ifs" are out in force, but i hjave to do this. I signed the consent form.
They were all so very kind and I saw the chemo nurse who showed me around and I was so moved to tears seeing lots of other people having their chemo, some in single rooms, others in groups, all looking "normal" and even talking and laughing together. I cannot ever imagine being like that! I felt so sorry that so many people suffer with this. The nurse kept telling me I would be fine.
She also said that American cancer treatments can be very different to those here in the UK, but you all seem to be so well informed and so very helpful, i don`t want to leave your forum. I did look up the UK sites kindly given to me by gfrey...thankyou for that and all your wonderful helpful advise...I appreciate it.
So, at least I have a month to try to build up my strength and try to come to terms.
Any positive advise now you know my assessment would be welcome, and once again, thank you all so very very much. I am feeling on edge today and even snapped at my dear friend who has so helped me through this...feel awful!
Love and God bless you all,
xxx
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TAC is a great, cancer kicking Chemo!
Just take things slowly, one day at a time. It all is so overwhelming at first, try not to think too far ahead. You now have a plan of attack, that is good. Chemo is daunting but you will manage to come through it. It will seem quite "normal" by the end of things.
One last thing - DO NOT CONSULT DR. GOOGLE!! Really, it will only frighten you. Come here with any questions, there will be someone who has been through exactly the same.
Try and do something nice for yourself today.
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TAC is a good plan. I know of many here in America that have had it. OK now...take a deep breath, exhale. You have your plan in place. You have a start date. Relax a bit and take this month to heal from surgery. I agree with Kerry do something nice for yourself today, you so deserve it!! Go get a facial!
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Oh and if you do go get a facial...no cancer talk allowed!
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@bugs
exactly!!!!
your in our prayers-you can do this-you have to.
My only suggestion would be to start chemo asap.I am such a believer in being as agressive as possible.
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I am one of the 6TAC girls and will have my 6th next Thursday. All the ladies here are godsent angels who got me through this journey and more. Have faith and we will walk with you all the way. Hugs, Karen
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TAC kicks cancer's butt. i am one of the people who got TAC in a clinical trial in 2002. right after the trial was showing results...it pretty much became standard treatment for lots of positive nodes. even tho my report said 10/12 positive...my surgeon was pretty sure because of the spread and "total encasement" i had more. from my experience...i really really believe in chemo and TAC has certainly done the job for many of us .
it sounds like you got a lot of information on your oncology visit. give yourself some time to wrap your head around this.....one day at a time and try to not get tooo far ahead of yourself. all of us are here for you; keep posting . this is one of the hardest times...right after being diagnosed and beginning to understand what is going on. hang in there and know we are here for you.
gentle hugs
diana50
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Like Kerry said stay away from DR GOOGLE, he is EVIL........
Come here and post any questions, these ladies knows more than most Oncol. Good luck, I started my chemo last Jan and finished in May. You will get thought this . God Bless
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Hi Everyone,
Thank you all once again, It`s been a few days now since getting my start date of Jan 4th for TAC chemo and instead of now feeling more resigned and settled, I am even more terrified, I just do not know whether I can cope with this. I try to put these thoughts out of my mind but its impossible. Its awful having this dark cloud hovering all the time over me. i know you have all had to go through this and so many of you are so encouraging...so I KNOW this is doable as you say. I pray for courage and peace. it is i think the uncertainty. if only someone could say to me "when you have had all this then you will be guaranteed at least another 10 years or more". Unrealistic I know. I found out today also that I am IDC. I gave myself the user name of merry heart because i know that a merry heart is like medicine and does good. I so need a more positive attitude. I so miss my dear husband and dreamed of him the other night giving me a big hug and i felt he was saying its all alright. The weather is awful, its grey and rainy and I have to get myself focused on good positive things and give thanks for all the good that i do have in my life. This is the biggest trial ever....I just hope and pray that out of it some good will come and i can be of use to others. I know that God does not give us more than we can bear...I just really really need to believe it with all my heart and soul. He is a good God and loves us. This is such a test of faith. Its so easy to be thankful when everything is going good. sorry, I really have gone on! But thanks for being here and helping. I will be ok in a little while...I find mornings are worst. are there really people out there who have done this from the same high risk state as me and survived a good few years? this is what i need to really get deep inside of me, the knowledge that there really really is hope. I love my sons so much and do not want to leave here yet. Love to you all, xxx
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Merry- I'm just finishing up 6 months of chemo. 5 weekly treatments left. I remember in April, getting my diagnosis....thinking will I even be alive at Christmas? It is so easy to have yourself dead & buried when you start this journey. These boards gave me a lifeline beyond measure.
I've got inframammary node involvement and my BS (breast surgeon) was able to remove one. Normally these nodes aren't removed because they are under the breastbone and ribs and just too hard to get to. I was terrrified!!
I want to give you a verse to cling to. I don't usually do this as I try to be sensitive to those who aren't believers. But this is just for you...because your mornings are so difficult. Strangely enough, this is a verse I had chosen as my "life verse" years ago.
Lamentations 3:22-23...Because of the Lord's faithful love,we do not perish; for His mercies NEVER end. They are new EVERY MORNING; great is your faithfulness.
You CAN do this Merry.....and there are so many of us walking this path together.
Love to you....Joni
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Merry ~ Have you joined the December 2009 chemo group yet? It is so helpful to go through this journey with other women who are experiencing the same thing at the same time. Reading through other "groups" posts is also very helpful. You are not alone and there are dozens if not hundreds of women here who will support you every step of the way. Please also read the "Success Stories" thread. Many, many women have taken this journey and gone on to live long happy lives. YOU CAN DO THIS!
Wishing you the best,
Nico
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Merry,
I agree about the dark cloud. It was very dark for me for the moment I awoke from biopsy and the surgeon said I'm sorry but it looks like cancer. It was 5 weeks before I finally started chemo. Although part of me was frustrated because it took so long to get treatment started I needed a lot of that time to continue to come to grips with what was going on and getting myself mentally ready. One of the things I did was look on the site at the women who had already gone through tx. There are so, so many of them and they are doing so well.
Honestly, when I heard the dx I figured I was doomed. We have breast cancer in my family so my thoughts went to what had happened in the past. But the more I talked to my onc about my fears and what I read from these women the better I felt. It's an absolute fact that not only has the treatments gotten better in how it affects the cancer but all the supportive meds to help through chemo have made it so much better. I did a lot of talking during that time. I had to get the words and thoughts out; the talking helped clear my mind. It also increased my resolve. Other women have done this; so can I.
You already have some positives. They know what the cancer is -- that means they know how to fight it. They found the lymph nodes -- they took them out so there is no wondering if something is still lurking in those nodes. Grade 3 is aggressive but the great thing about that is it's also more receptive to the chemo. You got surgery first and the tumor is out.
That last comment might seem obvious but it really is meaningful. I don't often mention this but I had some indicators that have caused the onc to feel I need the chemo first. That they couldn't wait until I had surgery and had healed. But I've had 12 weeks of chemo so far and now, everyday, that dark cloud keeping getting a little smaller. It's not straight over my head any more. And it's a reminder that other women have done this and that I will continue. Every year the treatments and drugs have improved. We're going to blow away those old stats and when they tally us it's going to look pretty darn positive.
Keeping talking. Some of those fears and concerns are valid; others are just our emotions talking. But as you get those out of the way you'll find your strength and you'll find that you can do this.
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Hi Merry, Just checking in on you.
I had 12 ;pos nodes, and no clear margins , blah, blah blah.
Have faith. I beleive my reconnection with mine was a big part of my good outcome.
It's a hard time for you now, but days,and months fly by and before you know you will be " done"
God Bless.
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Dear Merryheart,
Hang in there it will all pass. I was recently diagnosed with stage 3 triple negative with 2 lymph nodes involved, Im 32 and lost my son to cancer 3 years ago. When my Dr. broke the news I got so depressed I couldnt stop crying because i have seen the worst of it. I was crying all day for a week and then just stoped and said I will not cry for this again. I have 2 other children and told to my self that dying is not an option. I stoped thinking about dying and started to think about living and getting better, my spirit has never been so up, I feel good and thats all that matters. So just concentrate on yourself and every morning when you wake up just say that dying is not an option, that you are going to get better. Good luck!
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Thanks again to you all,
"This is the day that the Lord has made...I WILL rejoice and be glad in it" even though its grey and raining again, it is a new day and i must be thankful.
Yellow- Bless you for your honesty and courage...you are AMAZING!!! My heart goes out to you and with such a positive spirit, you will be fine. I am so sorry you lost your little boy,,,please let us know how you are doing along your journey too.
I really see how this forum is such a help to us all. Everyone is so different and together we can learn so much. I am really really grateful to you all.
Love and God bless xxx
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Merry - glad to hear you are hanging in there. I would second Nico's suggestion, and try and hook up with a Chemo group - it was very useful to me. There is always someone who has experienced your SE's, and can give good advice.
Hope you are feeling OK, just wanted to let you know i was thinking of you.
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Yellow and merryHeart-hang in there you will do this.
Yellow I agree with your previous post 60% chance is so doable. My husband had the same odds and he just decided dying was not an option. 10 years later he is cured.
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Thanks again for your replies.
Just wanted to tell you that yesterday I got a call from hospital to say they have booked me in for a CT Scan for Dec 21st.( My TAC Chemo starts Jan 4th) I am feeling really down today, despite going for a good walk in the sunshine. Because I had 11 out of 17 nodes positive, what if they find something awful when they do the CT Scan? I cannot stop my mind from wondering about this and I know I shall just have to wait. I s there no end to the obstacles?
Merry x
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Chances are they won't find anything on the CT. It's just standard procedure. But it's a worry when it's the first scan. Too bad it couldn't be scheduled earlier just to get it out of the way. Once you've had this done then maybe you can get some of that confidence back because then you'll pretty much know where your bc is at and can focus on what you have to fight.
Where do you live in the UK? I'm not very familiar the area. My sister lived in Lytham St. Anne for 5 years and I'm not much of a traveler so I never made it over there. Everybody else in the family did and loved it. Do you have family in the area?
My one and only big trip (I can't count the business trips I had to make in the past) was when we finally went to see my daughter in Hong Kong. I was so chicken I only booked for a week because I was worried we wouldn't like the city, too many people, too strange of food, etc. Boy was I wrong. I could have stayed a month! But know she moved to Vancouver BC so she just a couple of hours away.
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Dear Anacortes, Thanks for your welcome reply. Funnily enough, I do know Lytham St Annes quite well having lived near there as a child/teenager. Yes, it is lovely.
I do so hope you are right and the scan will not show anything awful. That would be SUCH a relief!
Just come back from shopping...found listening to Christmas Carols quite upsetting (brings back so many poignant memories) This will be the 2nd Christmas without my dear husband and what with this added problem, its no joke. My son is due to come for a visit next week for Christmas and I am so not wanting him to see me too upset over this. Plan on us going out a lot more for diversion...anything to just get throught this! Anyway, thanks again for replying to me.
Love Merry x
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That great that your son will be visiting. How old and where is he from? I have 2 grown kids, daughter 28 and son 32. (Took a few minutes to write that last sentence - I actually had to do the math! LOL) Both work in the computer field.
Sue (my sister) and her husband didn't want to come back. And once they got back to Seattle they just hated the rat race. They had really gotten used to the small town and relaxed life style. They really enjoyed the people. My niece had gotten such a good education it was hard to figure out where to place her in the high school.
I hear what you are saying about Christmas. It can be such a hard time. Definitely not my favorite holiday. But I try to appreciate the fun and excitement it brings to a lot of kids. Some years I put out decorations, some I don't. Haven't decided yet. My time of year is Spring... love those new plants coming up!
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