were you vegan/vegetarian/organic before you diagnosis?
i see a lot of people posting here who have changed their diets/lifestyles since being dx'd with bc and i think that's great!
i was just wondering if there were any posters here who were living a vegan/vegetarian/organic/alternative lifestyle before diagnosis?
two years ago i quit eating meat and almost all dairy (still struggling with cheese), and quit consuming artificial sweeterners. i've dropped 144 pounds and am off my blood pressure meds. i have no family history of bc but i do believe that my weight and diet could have contributed to my dx. also, geographically speaking, in my state bc is the most common cancer in women.
any dialogue with you wonderful ladies would be greatfully appreciated.
~M
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I became an ovo-lacto vegetarian (i eat some dairy) 15 years ago in 1994. I was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2004, after i had already been a vegetarian for 10 years. I had quite a few risk factors: strong family history of bc, previous HRT use for 9 years, no pregnancies, overweight.
Do you live in Washington state? That is the state with the highest incidence of breast cancer. I had moved to Washington state from California 8 years ago, so I guess that could possibly be considered a risk factor for me too.
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hi celia
no, i live in nevada. i saw on a news program about the cancer rating here in my state. they said bc is the most common for this state but i don't remember how many cases.
i guess there is something to be said about where you live in all of this.
i personally think that Area 51, Yucca Mountain, and our Test Site (for nukes) have a lot to do with it here. we had a 'cluster' of children that got leukemia in fallon, nv, a few years back and 'they' couldn't figure out why. doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why, IMO.
~M
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Throughout my 20's, I was probably 90% vegetarian. Unforunately, the 10% that I ate meat or dairy, it was NOT organic... hello, bovine growth hormone and other nastiness. Also, I would often eat my vegetarian dinner as a Lean Cuisine (chemical preservatives + plastic leeching into the food + microwave altering the food rendering it worthless at best = major carcinogen).
From July 2008 until a few months ago, I ate horribly (a ton of fast food, processed snacks, Coke Zero, alcohol, etc.). I was also extremely depressed and under a huge amount of stress. This is the time period when my tumor emerged.
I do have a friend who has been a raw vegan for 6 years, but she still developed cancer. She now believes it's because diet is only one small piece of anti-cancer lifestyle. She, too, has lived under enormous stress and was not taking the time to exercise, get good sleep every night, and get some sunshine. (Also, you can be a raw vegan and load up on nut-heavy treats and not get enough of the leafy greens and other cancer-fighting produce!)
Sadly, environmental factors are a big part as you mentioned... could be something as simple as a chemical that's leeched into the tap water or, yep, nuclear radiation. BUT, I firmly believe that you can make yourself a lot more resilient to even those factors beyond your control, if you're vigilant about not just diet but exercise, sleep, stress, and other factors.
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`BUMP` I would like to see if there is anyone else out there that was organic before?
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Not organic but a vegetarian. I became a vegetarian when i was 21 and was diagnosed with bc when i was 42. I was also a runner my entire adult life. No family history.
Honestly, i think they don't know. being female is a risk factor.
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I've been a vegetarian for 20 years. I do eat eggs , cheese, and milk. I have had 2 bouts of breast cancer, with no family history.. so much for the diet.
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I was vegetarian for 9 years before being dx'd with BC 5 months ago. I ate a lot of organic, local produce.
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I think it has to do with low vitamin D levels. Mine were severely deficient when I was diagnosed. Oddly enough, I had taken a blow to the very spot where my tumor was. My tumor was estimated by the growth rate to be between 6 and 12 months old, and I had the injury to the area about 18 months previous. My tumor showed a very robust immune response--as if my body was walling it off.
I had many other risk factors too, but the low vitamin and running into the corner of a high boy seem to correlate in my case.
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Interesting thread. There seems be no simple cause and effect relationship between food and cancer. I ate a pretty good diet, not strictly veg, but better than most I'd say. I worked out, too, and didn't have any risk factors that they talk about. I did find that my D levels were low. I read somewhere (I think in Barbara Ehrenreich's book, Brightsided) that the main risk factors for bc are being female and living in a wealthy country.
My own guess is that one gets cancer from an interplay of not enough exercise and sunlight, pollution from diet and our environment, and hormonal imbalance related to weight and medications like birth control pills.
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I had low Vit D levels, too - I think a LOT of people do, whether they have BC or not!
Cath, I agree with that guess of yours... I think getting BC is a result of many, many factors coming together, not one thing that can be pinpointed. In my own case, I'm GUESSING that it was a combination of low Vit D, low melatonin, a decade of several emotionally stressful events, LOTS of soymilk during (pre)puberty, BPA and other chemicals that are everywhere and unavoidable, growing up in a town that had a 20% higher rate of BC than the rest of the state (and no one knows why), lots of sugar and processed food in childhood, being 30 without having ever been pregnant, etc. Mostly, I blame all the toxins in food and the environment.
I did NOT have many other risk factors - no family history, no medication use... I've always been a healthy weight, I exercised frequently, ate well, never smoke or drink alcohol, etc.
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Raili....That is really strange about the part of the state you grew up in being a high rate. Makes you wonder what is going on there? If you don't mind me asking, where is it at?
My onc has never said anything about my Vit D levels. Does that show up in the bloodwork or is it a seperate test?
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Dear ccbaby,
I will bump the Vitamin D3 thread forward for you. Please take a look at all the articles/videos. You really should "tell" your doctor that you want this test. It is a blood test, and if you are not taking D3, magnesium and calcium, you need to begin. I just posted a bit of an article which tells you the correct Vitamin D test to have. Most oncs/conventional docs are clueless when it comes to vitamin D3...sad but oh so true.
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Thanks Nan! I did read on these boards a while back about Vit D3 being important and started taking it a couple of months ago. When I see my onc in June, I will ask him about it.
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I ate an excellent organic, veggie, mostly vegan diet before diagnosis, as I was treating myself for fibromyalgia symptoms (pretty successfully) with diet and supplementation for years. I did drink, though, which I never knew was a risk factor. However I blame environmental factors for the BC. (yes i am bRCA+ but I still feel envir. stuff is what tpped me in to the bad category).
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I was a lazy vegetarian/pescatarian. I ate organic at home but wasn't as vigilent outside the home. Like Miss Bliss I too had an injury to my breast 3 1/2 years prior to diagnosis. My breast was injured an a pretty bad car accident where my car was totalled. But, I had an incredible amount of multiple stresses in my life, worked long days and longer weeks, never slept, and prior to diagnosis was sure that I was having a nervous breakdown. Slightly low levels of Vit D. I now eat huge amounts of organic greens and vegetables and whole grains, no caffeine, no sugar, occasionally fish and occasionally organic red wine. My dignosis before BC was adrenal exhaustion. I quit the stressful job and I have just had a mastectomy on the left side, no radiation and Alloderm 2-Step reconstruction on the left breast. My dr says it's environmental, I think it's a combination of stress, lack of sleep, lack of excercise, and the injury to my breast. I had 2 cysts plus 2 tumors and more micro tumors forming. It was impossible for my lymph nodes to do their job.
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MBJ, wow, that is a lot of stress indeed! Your diet now sounds awesome - I eat similarly, except I do have caffeine and don't have alcohol.
I've been thinking I may have had undiagnosed adrenal fatigue before the BC dx... during the 4 yrs leading up to the BC dx, I went through a messy breakup, survived a house fire that had my roommate and me evacuating at 3 am with our cats, had severe asthma/depression/sleep deprivation for 4 months straight due partially to the fire and partially to my stressful job, had a family member attempt suicide, was broke/underemployed and went on food stamps, ETC. Then about 3 weeks before my BC dx, a friend's puppy that I was taking care of fell and died while in my care, and I was hysterical for hours. Why NOT adrenal fatigue?! MAN!!! When I put it all together like that, it's crazy, but DURING all of this stuff, I honestly didn't think I had an abnormally stressful life. I thought I was still a happy, optimistic person, living a good life. Strange!
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Raili- I was diagnosed with adrenal fatigue(borderline) and extrogen toxicity the summer before my bc diagnosis. I'm pretty sure those 2 combined made my lump 'appear'. We had been very stressed for several years (many different things) before bc. I had been addressing the adrenal and hormone issues and just starting to feel more myself when my damn lump appeared.
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Wow, I thought I had a lot of stress! I had an abusive 8 year relationship with my boss and felt that I couldn't leave becuse my husband had lost his job, moved 3 x, almost seperated from my husband, mother died, my husband's father died, involved in two law suits, which I won both but still very stressful. I remember feeling like there was no way out of my situation--no relief. I begged my dr's to put me on disability but none of them felt comfortable doing it. I received the adrenal exhaustion diagnosis 4 months prior to finding my first lump. I hope that I never let my life get that out of control over money ever again.
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Interesting thread. I find myself in the combination of factors, or perfect storm, theory.
I am one of those with an extremely good diet--at home we are almost 100% organic and that includes the things like meat, eggs and dairy. Also we are mostly local eaters and we don't eat things out of season unless its something I froze in season. We never eat any processed foods and my poor suffering kids don't really know squat about fast food because they've never really been. While we do eat meat, we don't have it at every meal and even when we do, you are talking 1 pound of goat stew meat for 2 meals for 5 people or similiar small amounts. I cooked a skirt steak the other night and we had 6 people eatting off barely over a pound of meat.
I am also a woman who has never been pregnant or nursed a baby but then there is no history of cancer that I am aware of in my family.
At the time of diagnois, I was extremely low in Vit D.
I have come to think that stress plays a bigger role in cancer development than we can know. I had lots of stress in my life before we moved here ---a heavy work load and unsupportive boss culminating in an 18 month work matter that had me not eatting and not sleeping and never relaxing. I also think that environmental factors are significant---we were living in LA at the time of the stress so I was being exposed to lots of polutants and the like and I don't think that was good for me.
Plus as we think of the bad things happening in our lives and think of them as stressful we need to remember that good things are stressful too---just plain change is stressful, at least according to risk factors for heart attacks and the like. So if I list the other stressors in my life in the last ten years: 1] got married; 2] adopted child; 3] bought new car [large purchases are on the heart attack list]; 4] moved to new place; 5] stepdaughter came to live with us; 6] adopted 2d child; 7] agreed to change jobs [good thing, better boss]; 8] moved three states; 9] started new job with new people, etc.
Some days, when I look at my life, I'm almost surprised that this didn't happen sooner.
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I am convinced that mine was caused by stress and environment (I've lived in LA all of my life). When I was dismayed at what I thought was my only choice of hospital/doctor my white blood cell count dropped to 3.2 during chemo and had been at 4 or higher before and when I changed hospitals/doctors and I was very happy with my choice my white blood cell count jumped to 5.8 and higher afterwards and for my last two chemos. I had the same thing happen when going in for surgery: my white blood cell count was very low again at 3.2 just from fear and stress--after the surgery I was ecstatic and my white blood cell count jumped to over 7.3! Wouldn't it be great if some scientist could come up with a way to moniter our stress levels so we don't spend any long periods of time at dangerous levels?
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Eight years ago I lost 130 lbs and became a vegan...eat mostly organic, essentially all whole foods, etc. I also breast fed both my kids for an extended period of time, and in fact was nursing my 2yo son when I found the lumps.
My doctor says I'm an anomaly.
My mom was diagnosed two years ago, but she was on HRT for 15 years -- even her doctors weren't surprised she got breast cancer. But beyond that there has been no obvious family history on either side and I know my genealogy going very far back. I am also BRCA neg as is my mother.
However, that doesn't mean there wasn't a hereditary link. For instance, my maternal grandmother died in her late 70's - not bad for someone born in 1895. She was also a Christian Scientist, not the kind to be getting any kind of med exams. But if she were like my mother and a lump was palpable in her early 70's then she could have lived many years without treating it...she could have died from breast cancer and yet lived a long life.
Beyond the BRCA 1&2 genes there could be dozens of other ones that increase risk to varying degrees. Add to that the markedly higher levels of environmental toxins and hormones, elevated obesity rates, etc and that would easily explain a rise in breast cancer rates.
It's possible my family tree was riddled with breast cancer but I wouldn't know it because my foremothers got to live out natural life spans. But now due to my former obesity, smoking and the poisoned environment, a vegan-organic-breastfeeding-crunchy-granola-mom like me got breast cancer at 45.
Forget the "cure" - we need to find the causes and prevent this in the first place.
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I see cancer as a result of a "perfect storm" when a multiple of certain conditions emerge at just the right time. As many studies point out....diet, stress, genetics, hormone imbalance, vitamin d deficiencies, toxins, obesity, no/late pregnancies, etc. all known risk factors. How can science explain why someone without ANY of these known risk factors still develops cancer? They can't and until they do, I'm not going to drive myself crazy trying to figure it out. IMO, too much research for better drugs that prolong life instead of finding causes that lead to curative measures that science obviously hasn't scratched the surface yet. I will remain hopeful.
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Vegetarian all my life.
-Ren
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I must say I've read a lot of different reasons on you gals getting your breast cancer. How does one pinpoint the exact reason. Don't you think maybe that you got breast cancer because for no reason. It wasn't that you did anything wrong or different. Maybe its just that the genes in your boobs got together and they came up cancer. I know women who had their kids early in life, breast fed their kids, didn't get their periods to late or menopause too early and had no history. They were thin and they were heavy. On birth control pills. None were really stressed. Yet they got breast cancer. I live in an area where there are three nuclear power plants (one is about 30 minutes away). Did they give me breast cancer? I doubt it. I think its just hit or miss.
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Hi!
I have taught aerobics for 20 years and always been lean.
I have always done my best to eat organics with special priority for meats, chicken and all dairy.
Even my hair color and skin products were organic.
And I taught yoga.
Was diagnosed at 39.
Geez
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In the studies done (The China Study, specifically) cancer was seen in all areas, but at the most infrequent in the population which ate the least amount of animal protein and fat, and high intake of fruits/veggies. So, even in those areas, breast cancer does exist, it's just more rare. And it's frequently increases as the animal protein/fat intake increases.
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Vegan/organic, barely any meat before BC. Was always a little under normal weight but not by much. Lived in SE Europe until 10 years ago, produce I was eating there had absolutely no chemicals, same for milk and diary and eggs and meat (everything farm grown, organic, chicken free range) - in the last 10 years before I left Romania it was stuff my parents were growing at their summer country-side house...
Still got BC. Dr. says it probably started over 20 years ago and just stayed as DCIS until last year when it started "moving". Agree with me thatI wouldn't have been in any risk group. Except that I was outside when the Chernobyl cloud passed over Romania - I was 24, and out in the woods with my first husband, picking mushrooms.Soo... yeah.
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I've been an ovo lacto vegetarian for 18 years. Now I'm a bit concerned about my soy intact given that my BC is estrgoen +. Guess I'll add it to the list of questions to talk to my onc. about.
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Jackie, I wonder about soy, too. My tumor was strongly ER+, and I heard somewhere that too much soy during puberty could be one of the many factors that causes breast cancer... and as it turns out, I was unable to eat solid food for 18 months when I was 12-13 years old (long story) and soy milk was a staple in my diet during that time because my parents were so desparate to get protein into me. When my family went on a 10-day vacation, my dad literally brought an entire suitcase of soy milk for me. I drank so many of those soy milks, in the little boxes with the straws, that I was even able to distinguish which "batches" at which time of the year tasted the best (or so I thought). Oh, I think back on all of that now and cringe. (Even though I know there's really no way to tell what, exactly, caused my or anyone's cancer.)
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I developed a "complex cyst" while eating lots of soy and taking soy supplement tablets for symptoms of menopause...ended up getting it biopsied and it was cancer. Anyway, if you want to read some scary things about soy go to SoyOnline at: http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/
I try to avoid soy if at all possible, but if you read labels it is in everything......I avoid it due to the potential for ingestion of the pesticides that are in it.
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