Is the Steroid a must?

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Pure
Pure Member Posts: 1,796

I have sor tof traced my drop in emotion to the 2 days leading up to the fog lifting. iam thinking the steroid is dropping me b-c I can literally wake up with the fog lifted and I feel like a different person emotionally.

If I ask her to pull back on the decantron or steriod what could happen?

I have had no se's except the depression and of being tired but that could be the pregnancy.

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  • Bugs
    Bugs Member Posts: 1,719
    edited November 2009

    I know they are given to help combat chemo SE's.  You have a very good idea to bring it up with your onc and at the very least try lowering the dose to see if it helps. 

  • lexislove
    lexislove Member Posts: 2,645
    edited November 2009
    They ARE needed for chemo se's, and should be taken. But if you are having a rough time ask about lowering the dosages. Smile
  • CoolBreeze
    CoolBreeze Member Posts: 4,668
    edited November 2009

    Don't drop it without talking to your oncologist.  They prevent fluid from building up around your heart and lungs.  It could be dangerous for you to stop.

    I'm sorry you are pregnant and doing chemo.  :(

  • anniebford
    anniebford Member Posts: 128
    edited November 2009

    Hi Pure,

    My chemo was TAC X 6 and the first 2 times I took the full dose of steroids. The 3rd time I did not take any steroids because the decadron was causing an unacceptable se. My nausea and overall ill feeling on the third day after treatment was much worse without the steroids. I believe the steroids also lower the risk of having a reaction to the chemo, so they are important. I opted to try a much lower dose of steroids the next time. I would stress to you to ask your onc about it and see what they say. I did fine with a very low dose of steroids, but reducing the steroids carries risks also. Hope you and your onc can find a solution that works to get you through treatments.

    Annie 

  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited November 2009

    i reduced my steroids significantly.. taking 2 of the 8 recommended and did fine (while on taxol).. i told my onc... and she wasn't pleased exactly at my initiative but reduced my prescription amount by 1/2 .. i still only took 2.  my bad.

    it was just way too much.. i'd be tearing around the house like a cleaning tornado. 

    alternatively you could just increase your exercise.. and rest when you 'crashed'.

    i think if you'd anticipate proactively dealing with the crashes.. take it easy, go to lunch with a supportive friend, have dinner out and depend on mr. pure E to keep you cheerful.. you might have an easier time. 

  • everyminute
    everyminute Member Posts: 1,805
    edited November 2009

    I had problems with migranes that we attibuted to the steroid crash so instead of taking them for 3 days - I weaned off for 5 (full dose the first two days and then less each day) - made a big difference.  I didnt take them with Taxol.

  • Celtic_Spirit
    Celtic_Spirit Member Posts: 748
    edited November 2009

    Once I realized that my post-infusion craziness was the drugs talking, I was able to cope much better with the crying jags and feelings of doom. I was also able to warn my "support team" that it was steroid time again, ergo, expect to peel me off the ceiling until the decadron clears my system. I never had my dosage reduced. Just understanding that it was the drugs, and not me losing my mind, helped a lot.

  • jenn3
    jenn3 Member Posts: 3,316
    edited November 2009

    During AC I didn't have vomiting and the nausea was controlled by the anti-nausea meds so I was able to get off of the decadron.  However, the onc advised that decadron is a must with Taxol due to the SE's (which is actually from the drug used to dilute the Taxol).  If I don't take the decadron, no chemo.  Talk to your onc about the ups and downs and find out if the decadron can be adjusted or changes made with the chemo drugs you're on right now.

  • KerryMac
    KerryMac Member Posts: 3,529
    edited November 2009

    I think they are important for managing the SE's. So, talk to your Dr - she may be able to suggest a lower dose, or something else. I hated them too.

  • cbm
    cbm Member Posts: 475
    edited November 2009

    Everybody's risk is different, but the steroid/benadryl/chemo combo made me maudlin--and talkative--and I couldn't stand it.  I did not take the decadron pills, ever.  For the ACx4, I tolerated the infusion meds but asked for the minimum doses of everything on the principle that they could add them in if necessary. 

    When I got to the Taxol I began negotiating after I made it through the first infusion without a reaction.  They started reducing my steroid until it was about 4 mg.  Again, never took the pills.  I did take Ativan in the a.m. and at night. 

    Your feelings are very profound, but I think you need to be careful--maybe try to schedule a visit with the counselor when you know this side effect is going to be the worst so he or she can see what you  are dealing with.  IMHO something this painful and consistent is a serious health issue and needs to be given immediate attention. 

    Cathy

  • SpunkyGirl
    SpunkyGirl Member Posts: 1,568
    edited November 2009

    Pure,

    My experience was similar to Cathy's.  I had read somewhere on this forum about women who were able to go without the steroids, so I asked my nurse and doctor about weaning off them.  So the nurse sat with me for about twenty minutes after my first Taxol infusion and watched for issues.  There were none, so I didn't take any steroids for the remaining treatments.  I also never took any pills at home. 

    Your situation is so unique because of your pregnancy.  I would definitely talk to your doctor and nurse and see what they think.  Good luck getting though these treatments.

    Hugs

    Bobbie

  • Octobergirl
    Octobergirl Member Posts: 334
    edited November 2009

    Jen,

    I didn't like how the steroids were affecting me...low moods and sleep. My onc added Zofran before the infusion and for 2 days afterwards and lowered the steroids...very helpful.   I don't remember what the new dosage was but you might ask about Zofran, if you aren't already taking it and it is acceptable during pregnancy.

  • clariceak
    clariceak Member Posts: 752
    edited November 2009

    This is a really interesting discussion.  I'm having the same symptoms as Jenn.  When I met with my psychiatrist last week she basically described steroids as an evil drug (not her words obviously).  I have been taking less than recommended, but now realize that isn't something I should do on my own.  I do think that patients should be explicitly informed what to expect as far as emotional ses.

    Has anyone else been able to get their doc to reduce the amount of steroids once they switch to Taxol?

  • KerryMac
    KerryMac Member Posts: 3,529
    edited November 2009

    Clarice - my dosage changed when I switched to Taxatore. I had to take it the day before my infusion to prevent an allergic reaction with the Taxatore. They always asked me if I had taken it before connecting my IV. I then think I took it the day of chemo, and the day after, whereas for the FEC I took it for 3 or 4 days (to prevent nausea, i think). So you will probably find that your dosage changes anyway when you switch drugs.

  • kim40
    kim40 Member Posts: 904
    edited November 2009

    Talk to your onc about it first.  They are given for a reason and that is to help you get through chemo.  Tell you onc what is going on, he/she may be able to lower your dosage.

  • Kodapants
    Kodapants Member Posts: 139
    edited November 2009

    I used lower doses for all my chemo.  If they gave me 4 tabs I would take 3,  then 2. But, I always took the full amount the first day of new treatment to make sure I didn't have side effects. I hate the steroids.  My Doc was aware.

  • bf2009
    bf2009 Member Posts: 40
    edited November 2009

    I'm about to start chemo and in reading up on that steriod ( mine will be dexamethasone) and its side effects, its just freaking me out, so.. I'm glad to see this post and read all the comments. The steriod sounds so nasty as to its side effects !!! but I guess over time with the docs and doing chemo they have seen enough to know this steriod is more helpful than harmful when used in conjunction with chemo. Not that it makes me like the idea of having to take it, but can understand why.

    I was wondering if chemo killed anyone? all the meds involved with it and the chemo meds themselves. Does anyone know? because all this sounds so nasty !

    HAS CHEMO AND ALL THE MEDS INVOLVED EVER KILLED ANYONE?
    or does the death come later and related to something else like a "heart problem" ?

    All these meds to take with chemo and the chemo itself sound awful and I'm deading all of it.

    :(

  • jenn3
    jenn3 Member Posts: 3,316
    edited November 2009

    While a lot of women on these boards have similar SE's, we also have different SE's - some have a much easier time than others - you could be one of the people that have very few SE's.  Don't  focus on if chemo kills you -  it'll freak you out even more.  Yes, chemo has a ton of SE's to deal with, but your onc will monitor you closely.  I don't know if I really thought about all of the SE's before starting chemo and wasn't sure how they would affect me, but I can say as many have said before me.  Chemo isn't a walk in the park, but it is doable............. 

    Good luck.

  • DCMom
    DCMom Member Posts: 624
    edited November 2009

    bf2009-  I didn't have any problem with the steroids at all so just hope you are in this group.  I think that is more common.  ALWAYS remember that those who post with a problem had a problem so that is what you here about...those without problems don't post.

    Pure-you may be linking your emotions to the medicine, but you also can then link the timing to the fog lifting.  In hind sight (amazing as it may sound) chemo is not that long of a process and you should just keep reminding yourself that the emotions are temporary.  Brace yourself before it approaches and get through it.  All of this is for such a greater reason.

    Chemo sucks, but it is much harder on the cancer than on you!  Hang tough it is so doable.

  • KerryMac
    KerryMac Member Posts: 3,529
    edited November 2009

    Just want to say a Side Effect of NOT having Chemo is, well, dying. Chemo may have risk factors, but Cancer has more!

    Actually, DCMom - I was just thinking that very thing this morning! How short Chemo seems now in my memory, but how long it seemed when I was going through it. Sort of like labour...! .

  • AsiaYM
    AsiaYM Member Posts: 2,216
    edited November 2009

    My dose for steroids was 8mg(2 pills) the night before chemo and 8mg before chemo. Total 16mg for each chemo.   On the first chemo, I was a cleaning queen, all wired up. On 4th and 5th chemo, I did decrease dose and found a little bit nausea.  The truth is everybody is so different and will react accordingly.  Best thing to do is to discuss with your doc, he or she might decrease dose under doc's supervision

  • AnacortesGirl
    AnacortesGirl Member Posts: 1,758
    edited November 2009

    Pure - You description of the fog lifting sounds exactly like my experience.  I was getting a 10 mg IV of decadron with my Taxol and starting around week 6 I would go into these fog for two days (usually days 3 &4).  Got me into a real funk.  If I was awake when it started or when it left I could actually feel it progress (or egress).  Affected my thinking and my emotional state.  But when it lifted it was the same wonderful feeling you get when a head cold goes away - that "I'm human again!" feeling.  I agree with DCMom -- I just had to understand that during these times my emotions were low, it wasn't really me doing the thinking it was the drugs, and know that I was going to get that I was going to feel good once it lifted.

    One other comment.  The fog was much less the last two weeks of Taxol.  Still intense but only lasted a day or less.  The only change I can figure out is that we discovered my magnesium was low so he had me taking Slo-Mag to build it back up.

    bf20009 - jenn3 & DCMom had some great comments.  I made it through Taxol and now I go to AC.  A lot of women say that the AC is worse but I don't look at it that way.  I look at my neighbor who didn't have any problems.  It is so, so true -- every women is different on the SEs.  I'm going to assume no problems for me on AC until it's proven otherwise.

  • REKoz
    REKoz Member Posts: 590
    edited November 2009

    This may not be an option for you, but I'll throw it out there and maybe it's worth running by your Onc. Due to pre existing joint issues, I was able to get Abraxane (usually reserved for stage 4) instead of taxotere. Steroids are not required for Abraxane. I did have the chemo nausea but the Emend worked great for that.

    I do hope you can resolve your difficult situation. This "journey" can be so damn difficult.

    God Bless,

    Ellen

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