what supplements and foods interfere with tamoxifen?
hi holistic girls,
i will be going on tamoxifen in a couple months and was wondering if anyone knew what supplements and foods interfere with tamoxifen or if i could take and eat anything i want. i plan on eating the top anti breast cancer foods and taking supplemnts like tumeric, etc.
thanks,
Diane
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I've been told that grapefruit interferes with tamoxifen's action.
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Yes, grapefruit is a no-no when you are on Tamoxifen. Also, Tamoxifen and antidepressants shouldn't be taken together.....
http://health.usnews.com/blogs/on-women/2009/06/02/tamoxifen-and-antidepressants-dont-mix.html
Good luck with the Tamoxifen! I've been on it for 2 years now and have had no problems----just achy joints.
Sue
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I've been looking into this for my wife, and I couldn't find many food interactions. I'll keep following this thread to see what others say. The one I did find, sounded incredibly obscure, something like tangerine peel extract.
However, before taking any prescription or over the counter drug, check for known interactions. There are many drugs on the list that may interfere with tamoxifen.
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Grapefruit, also read that Benadryl can interfere.
You can check drug and supplement interactions at www.drugdigest.org
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Yep Grapefruit, and Benadryl! Inspiewriter, I forgot about the benadryl!
My naturopath recommended to just avoid oranges and tangerines as well. Although, lemons should be okay.
I have also had no problemos so far with tamoxifen.
Good luck!
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Grapefruit is what I heard also. Also pomegranete (sp?)? Although I can't remember where I heard that one so I might be off on that one.
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I am an intermediate metabolizer of tamoxifen, so I to be especially careful to make this drug work for me.
I am avoiding all soy products, flax, citrus peel (the juice is fine), anise, licorice, hops (beer), revestrol (?sp) (chocolate in great moderation) (red wine - in fact, I was told 1 alcoholic drink/day increases the risk of breast cancer by 10%), grapefruit, pomogranate seeds (in juice?), tumeric (very much interfers with tamoxifen so I go easy on curries),....
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bcamnb, do you have a source or reference for the advice that tumeric interferes with tamoxifen?
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Question: Do these food also interfere with arimidex? How did you find out this information?
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Sailorgirl, the information is scattered about here and there to some degree. A pharmacist or a search of drug interactions yields some information, herb interaction, etc. Some of it is solid information, other is speculative and simply cautious.
What interferes with tamoxifen doesn't necessarily interfere with arimidex. Tamoxifen as tamoxifen in the human body, isn't its active form. It has to be metabolized into another drug / substance called endoxifen. The major, but not only pathway is an enzyme called cyp2d6. Substances that interfere with cyp2d6 therefore hinder the action of tamoxifen by reducing the production of endoxifen.
Arimidex doesn't require conversion to another drug to work. It works by blocking an enzyme (aromatase) that alters male hormones into female hormones. It will have its own drug and substances that it interacts with.
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http://www.drugs.com/interactions/grapefruit-with-tamoxifen-2624-0-2145-0.html
http://www.drugs.com/drug-interactions/arimidex-with-grapefruit-2624-0-206-94.html
Ladies maybe this will help you with some of your questions.
Sheila
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Hi
I am 42yrs old. On tamoxifin for the last 2yrs for breast cancer.I hate the drug with a passion.I saw your posting that you are using tamoxifin and you are "intermediate metabolizer".I know what that means.I was wondering as to how you go about getting tested for it.Does the oncologist have to recommend it or the primary care physcian.Any response is appreciated.
Good luck with everything
Ragini
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Your pharmacist is your best resource for this question. Mine has been wonderful.
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From my Natural Oncologist: While on Tamoxifen avoid: Grapefruit and Pomegranite. You can have 1-2 servings per week of soy in it's natural state as well as 1-2 tspns of flax seeds. Also avoid dairy.(she said while on tamoxifen you should avoid anything from an animal that lactates.) She also recommended having only organic eggs and keeping them to a minimum of 2 a week.
She recommended starting the day with a glass of water with lemon and taking a pro biotic to help with the bloating. Also only eat grain sprouted bread. I noticed a big difference after switching to that.
If you need a anti depressant, Effexor is the one that actually works well with Tam. It also helps ease the hot flashes most of us get.
I will hit my one year mark of being on Tam next week and I feel totally fine on it now. (knock on wood)
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I recently started taking tumeric. this is with blessing of my NO. Sometimes I think he really doesn't pay attention. He put me on resverterol until I found that it wasn't for hormone positive people..
but does anyone have any links to validate the tumeric/tamoxifen thing. I can't seem to find much of anything
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Resveratol is contraindicated with Tamoxifin? The Block Center just put me on it and I'm hormone positive. Fredntan, do you know where you learned this? Thank you!
(Incidentally, the Block Center also put me on DIM, curcumin, Vit D, Omega 3 and a probiotic.) -
I also take turmeric with the tamoxifen and it was highly recommended by the naturopath and integrative oncologist. So maybe it is special for the "intermediate metabolized"??
I trust my docs and respect the Block center too so once again each of us are unique and we need guidance from those we trust. -
http://www.xtend-life.com/Blog/10-07-30/What_about_the_effect_of_Resveratrol_on_Estrogen.aspx
I think i just googled thevtwo together. I dont think that is the article i reead, google homone positive bc and resveratol -
The Block Center just posted this today on Facebook:
Curcumin is the primary component of the Indian spice turmeric, and is responsible for the bright yellow color of this popular spice. There is a significant amount of research demonstrating curcumin's anti-inflammatory and anti-cancer properties and, in fact, several laboratory studies have found that this botanical enhances the effectiveness of chemotherapy drugs in treating various types of tumors. What's really remarkable is that most of the interactions are synergistic, meaning that curcumin actually multiplies the effectiveness of several chemotherapy drugs. This has caused some to wonder if there is also the potential for negative interactions, and whether curcumin could perhaps inhibit the effectiveness of other chemotherapy drugs. Some of this concern has centered around tamoxifen. Specifically, whether curcumin could inhibit tamoxifen's activity.
It has been noted in a lab study that curcumin can inhibit an enzyme in the body (called cytochrome p450 2D6), one of the enzymes that is involved in activation of tamoxifen. Some antidepressant drugs also inhibit the same enzyme, and they can decrease the amount of activated tamoxifen in the bloodstream. However, the lab study of curcumin found that there was actually only a very minor inhibition of this enzyme. Curcumin had a stronger inhibition on some other related cytochrome p450 enzymes in that lab study, for instance 3a4, the enzyme involved in St John's Wort interactions. In the case of curcumin and tamoxifen, this could have resulted in an increase in the level of tamoxifen in the blood. And in fact, when curcumin was given along with tamoxifen to rats, the tamoxifen levels in the blood increased. However, when this 3a4 interaction was tested in humans, it was of no clinical or statistical significance. Furthermore, other lab studies have shown curcumin to inhibit tamoxifen-induced liver injury, to increase the toxicity of tamoxifen towards leukemia cells while protecting red blood cells, and to sensitize breast cancer cells to tamoxifen treatment. It is thus extremely unlikely that curcumin could have been inhibiting the activity of tamoxifen in this patient.
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Thanks sweatbean, I will continue to take my curcumin!
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I just completed my 5th round of chemo (switched to Taxol).
I read a lot about curcumin, but I'm not sure when to start...
Is it better to wait until chemo and rads are over? My med onc and rad onc told me not to take anything at all during active treatment. And both doctors are researches and have an excellent ratings. What should I believe?
Anybody on Metmorfin trial? What SE do you have? Does anyone know what are the risks for women with normal sugar levels taking it? My med onc mentioned that she wants to offer taking a part in Metmorfin trial and we will discuss it after chemo.
Does anyone have any experience with this drug? -
Wow, after reading these comments I am more confused than ever. I have been on Tamoxifen for 2 months now and afraid of using anything that might interfere (Nioxin for hair growth, creams for age spots, zinc). I was shocked to hear about grapefruit and pomegranate! That's why these boards are so important. They help to keep us aware and informed, then it is up to us to use that information as we see fit. Thanks to all!
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Your best source of information about possible contraindications for tamoxifen is your pharmacist. Mine has been wonderful. There are a great many drugs, both prescription and over-the-counter, and supplements that can interfere - with varying degrees -with tamoxifen and your pharmacist is the best person to help you sort it all out.
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Not sure if everyone has access to this, but my MO's nutritionist has access to some super-duper database and sent me a 20 pg hardcopy listing of all possible contraindications (including the degree of risk). My insurance doesn't cover an appt. with the nutritionist but she was happy to answer my emails. There's a cancer support center at the local big University nearby with free appts with nutritionists, too (even if you're not being treated there). FYI in case anyone wants to meet with a nutritionist themselves.
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Here's an interesting journal article about zinc and its positive effect when taken with tamoxifen. I only read the abstract, but that's pretty detailed.
https://circle.ubc.ca/handle/2429/14240
And one curcumin and tamoxifen ("Studies have shown that curcumin, a polyphenol derived from the rhizome of the perennial herb Curcuma longa, is able to inhibit the activation of NF-kB, which is implicated as one mechanism by which breast cancer cells become resistant to tamoxifen treatment.")
http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/69/24_MeetingAbstracts/3098
Claire in AZ
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