Tamoxofin, my weapon or not....
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I was told that the Tamox was more than 30% in keeping the cells in check, chemo less than 10%. Thats what my doc said.
I am psychologically really hoping and counting on this drug. I know there are no guarenttes, but its all in my head that I imagine that this drug will do its job.
Then......I met a woman at the Wellness Center, who said, well, ii assure you Tamox is no wonder drug, dont count on it.....I know, still
I feel know pretty down and tell myself that after ALL those treatments I have done, whats the point...........
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mamita--- tamoxifen has been used and studied for nearly 30 years and shown to be very effective. If YOUR doctor is recommending it for YOUR situation, I would say go for it, and don't listen to what others have to say.
I took it as a preventative (LCIS) for 5 years and tolerated it very well. My mom took it years ago for ILC, also tolerated it very well, and is now a survivor of 23 years without a recurrence.
anne
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My mom is 19 year survivor-ook it for 5 years. I can't wait to take it- and as soon as chemo is done I am on it!
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But it is a wonder drug for so many of us. Not all of us, but many of us.
I read somewhere that without Hormonal medication, 50% of node-positive patients would reoccur. Tamoxifen and the AI's reduce that risk for many of us. It saves lives.
I keep reading of people choosing not to take hormones....man, you couldn't pay me enough to stop.
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Tamoxifen works for most woman. Probably more than 80% of the woman. Take the drug.
You are always going to hear of some else, and their story. I stopped listening to other peoples stories...seriously, I shut people up before they can even start.
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There are women who complete their 5 years of tamoxifen or arimidex and are then placed on either another AI or a placebo pill (I know of one woman doing this in Canada). She doesn't know if she is on a placebo. What does that say about the power of our beliefs? If you believe Tamoxifen is doing nothing for you and you are letting someone else's words poison your thoughts, then guess what? Do whatever you do with confidence. What else can you do? You'll never completely know, why waste time in the here and now worrying? Yes, many women opt not to take it, but I find they are generally Stage 0 or 1, from what I've seen on the Alternative threads. I believe in this drug, it has a good track record. But, I also believe that everything else I do is helping me, diet, exercise, qigong, meditation, supplements, laughing more,,,etc.
Soooo, yes! It is your weapon! Keep it up with conviction.
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Carol -
I do want you to get the cypd26 testing to be sure you are not a poor metabolizer, you know that. Once you get that info you will know that this drug will work for you.
Sharing info with others is wonderful but I have to say MOST side effects and problems that folks told me I would have NEVER happened....
Here are some things I was SO worried about with chemo, tamox, hysterectomy, cancer in general that didnt happen -
mouthsores, reduced sex drive, weight gain, extreme fatigue, vomitting, diarreah, etc
Fight your own fight, Carol.
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Weird,
I had NO SE at all. Nothing, even on rads, I was a bit red. Thats all. Got a creme for 1 week. Done. I am telling you, its so weird, my body can tolerate all treatments so well.
Its the emotional SE that are really draining me, I still wake-up and ask myself, What the f... happend. I cant believe I am here, and telling myself I had cancer. Me-- from all those people who I know, who live so freaking unhealthy, I had to have it, .....
Its draining me.
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I entered into chemo not listening to anyones se stories. I told my husband I wont have se"s and my blood count wont drop ( he wasn't so sure expecially since I was prego)
I had no se's really and blood count is great. I didn't go in with preconceived notions and my body listened.
There is power in thoughts-this is your life-you got one shot-do all you can and assume you WONT have anyside effects.
My mom-stage 1-did it for 5 years
My friend -stage 3-went 12 years cancer free and had local reoccurence ( she decided against rads) after the local she started on tamoxifin -she then stopped taking it b-c she believed she was cured and it was too expensive and a pain-she is not stage 4 and she says she feels bad she didn't stay on it.
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Mamita, like you I have been questioning the benefits of Tamox. I am stage 3, did bilat-mx, chemo and rads. I've had middle of the road SE's and worried mostly about the emotional effects after hearing about so many people that end up on anti-depressants while on Tamox.
I made a deal with myself that I would give it a go and see how I feel. If the SE's make me crazy then I can stop. Took the first pill last week and so far feel fine. I've just gotten back to my yoga class and plan to start swimming next week to try and get more range of motion in my arms. If you want to jump on board and be a Tamox buddy we can walk down this path together.
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Also, being so er positive I was told Tamoxifn would be my greatest weapon. I would take the side effects over death anyday.
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Good luck to you. Certainly agree with the CYP2D6 metabolizer status test (just you the search bar and type Tamoxifen, CYP2D6) for lots of information.
I try hard to ignore the naysayers out there in life.
Best,
Tender
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Carol - I still ask myself that. "How did this happen?" "I am the healthiest person I know and I am surrounded by unhealthy, smokers, who eat terribly who feel sorry for ME????? WTF?" Then I go sit with my 85 year old father at the nursing home and see all the old people (will I ever be old?) who really would be better off dead and I wonder again "WTF?"
But it is what it is I guess and all we can do is live today to the best of our ability.
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Also in the last 2 months 2 major studies were released on this test. If she says no-ask her "I f I was your daughter would you want her to have it?"
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Mamita-Since my mom had it I went to the doc for every lump or bump. I have been going to surgeouns and docs since 19 following one thing after another. I too lead one of the healthies lifestyles I know of and how flipping ironic after being so heatlhy and so anal about every lump and bump I end up with stage 3 since my surgeoun who I had gone to for years insisted that the area in my breast was nothing. I think for me that is the hardest part of the battle.
I just pray everything happens for a reason....
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In 1991 I had a modified radical mastectomy, followed by chemo. My cancer was very aggressive - found on mammogram (it could NOT be felt); it was both lobular and ductal and it was a Stage 3 with lymph node involvement. After chemo, I took Tamoxifen for 5 years and thank God I have not had a recurrence in 18 years.
The only side effect from Tamoxifen for me was hot flashes - a small price to pay, I think.
Tamoxifen was a good thing for me - AND if the mammogram had not found my cancer, I would not be alive today. I ALWAYS had yearly mammograms and continue to do so.
Omaharose
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Omaharose!
Thanks for sharing your story!!!!
I tolerate Tamox pretty well. I have hotflashes every now and then, and they pass quickly. I notice them more when I am running around doing erands or if I have had some alcohol. Very...very small price to pay for all the benefit.
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Today, I saw my 3rd session Psycho Doc. YES, me....I still cant believe it, me....WOW, I am seing a psycho. Doc. Anyhow, she helps me with the fears, and today, she told me the if I really believe and trust in Tamox, it will work.
WOW, and I thought only non-scientist would say things like that.
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Glad that your "shrink" appoinment went well.
Some might say its the whole mind body thing....but I think you have to believe it will work. If not, your more than likely not to take it.
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The placebo effect is huge.
Lexis also has an important point - if you don't think it is working for you, you won't think the SE's are worth it. Believe in it! We are so lucky to have the opporttunity to take it - I would imagine most TN's would love to be getting something.
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I am surprised she said your stats with chemo is 10% and tamoxifin is 30%-I thought it was a bit higher.
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It does seem like many people dx with bc had been living above average healthy lives. I thought I was too! There just seem to be more and more women under 50 being dx with no bc in their families. We need to take every weapon available to us. I hear of many women stopping their hormone treatment. I just can't even imagine it. Maybe the stats would be better than they are if more women took the hormone therapy as perscribed. And we must get moderate exercise daily. Even 30 minutes of walking can improve your outcome and well as your outlook on life. My oncologist has recommended exercise on a number of appts.
I want to do everything I can and at least live without regrets. Never want to think I should have done something different.
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Non-compliance in taking Tamoxifen is a result of recurrence. The fact is, when some woman are farther out from their diagnosis, they think they are "ok" and stop taking their anti hormones.
And Kerry, I have a friend I met through treatment. Another young mom, TN. I dont know how many times she has cried to me wishing she could take the Tamoxifen. Us ER+ woman are extremely lucky to be able to have Tamoxifen AND Ai's to help keep this disease gone.....forever.
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You girls made my day............
THANKS, feeling a bit better.......
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What happens after Tamoxifen? Do oncologists usually put ER+ people on another thing? I'll still be pre-meno by then.
I have no SEs from Tamox. I kinda wish I had something like hot flashes or something because I'm afraid it's not working for me!
My co-worker w/same dx as me just stopped taking her Tamox because she has SEs. She didnt even tell her onc. She's actually thinking of not even bothering to go back to her onc because it costs her $50. I think I'd be too nervous not to go and also to stop the Tamox.
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Perfect example of cakes friend...non compliance. It happens....alot.
I think there a studies going on to look if carrying on with Tamoxifen for 10 yrs VS 5 is beneficial. I have heard of some woman who started out with an AI, and after the 5 yrs their onc has kept it going.
I personally, hope to continue with something longer than 5 yrs.
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I am currently on tamoxifen and my oncologist has mentioned to me that we will be reviewing the plan on an ongoing basis. There are talks of keeping women on hormone therapy for longer than 5 years. Or a combo of 2 or 3 years on tamoxifen and then switching to an ai for another couple.
I agree, we are fortunate to be able to take hormone therapy.
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My onc has stated that once I am done with Tamoxifan he will be putting me on an AI for another 5 years. I am ALL for that!
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I would take them both (Tamox and an AI) at the same time if they would let me!!
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Kerry - LOL
Sherri - 40% wow.
Pure E - I am still trying to get over the anger of being misdiagnosed. Another thing that seems to be so common. Originallly, I thought my case was unique. NOT. Wonder what the % are?
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