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Pure
Pure Member Posts: 1,796

when the aux/tax regeime became standard care for bc.

Everyone keeps saying so much has changed in the last 4 or 5 years-which I was sort of wondering what exactly has changed?:)

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  • KerryMac
    KerryMac Member Posts: 3,529
    edited November 2009

    I think the Taxanes and the AI's have been the major new things....think they have only been around in the last 10 years.

    I know the Neupogen shot was huge, as it allowed dose densing. My FEC-T used to be 50, now is 100 (higher dose) 

  • diana50
    diana50 Member Posts: 2,134
    edited November 2009

    my clinical trial was using the combination of TAC...that was in 2002. it seemed after the trials the use of taxines became standard for lots of nodes positive.  i felt pretty lucky to be a part of that trial and got the good chemo.  still NED.....

  • diana50
    diana50 Member Posts: 2,134
    edited November 2009

    additionally, the arimatose inhibitors...arimidex and femara are relatively new too. i was supposed to go on tamaxion but ended up getting the arimidex...in 2002.  i think it was becoming a breakthrough even then in 2002.

  • TenderIsOurMight
    TenderIsOurMight Member Posts: 4,493
    edited November 2009

    Since my original diagnosis in 2001:

    a. Oncotype Dx, for node negative and most recently for node+ (1+,low grade or such): gene profiling your own tumor tissue for specifics unique to you so therapy can be personalized from results. Being aware of your ER/PR result and your Ki-67 numerical result with discussion with your treating oncologist.

    b. Dose dense chemotherapy (q2 weeks yields better OS than q3 weeks)

    c. Taxane family regimen: TAC rather than AC then T for improved DFS (T= docetaxol, also taxol and placitaxol

    d. TC often replacing TAC or AC-T when cardiotoxicity of issue (answer still not complete)

    e. Neoadjuvant chemotherapy to reduce disease and allow lumpectomy in select patients

    f. Hormone therapy for ER/PR+ patients with low oncotype and some in gray zone per risk/benefit

    g. Neoadjuvant hormonal therapy with gene analysis- ongoing research

    h. Zometa IV for premenopausal women to help reduce metastasis (still unclear about postmenopausal women)

    g. Nipple sparing mastectomy- with greatly modified surgical scar

    h. SLN alone or with few fellow lymph nodes with return of negative pathologic findings on final exam- still under study but seems this may help reduce ALND.

    i. PET/CT scan upon diagnosis in select cases to ensure correct staging

    j. Mammogram, MRI combination with breast mass preoperatively for elucidation of extent of breast involvement.

    k. Extension of hormonal therapy past 5 years in select cases (grade III, node positive)- still under study but also used at onocologist/patient discretion with informed consent

    g. Verification that AI's are + associated with carpel tunnel syndrome, arthalgias, muscle and bone pain, partially through confirmation of tenosynovitis of joints on MRI. This was major confirmation of complaints of AI users not picked up in original ATAC trials.

    h. Extension of Herceptin use past first year in certain cases; development of Tykerb, 

    g. Verification that even isolated cells in SNL/other strongly suggest treatment with chemotherapy or hormone therapy in small tumors

    i. Introduction of kinase therapies: to attack cancer cell division through protein production modification 

    j. Consideration of checking one's Tamoxifen metabolizing ability prior to onset of treatment by submitting blood for CYPD6, with counseling about one's status as well as suggested co-drug advoidances- still contraversial but less so than years ago.

    k. Triple negative disease: very chemotherapy sensitive, with new insight to the value of platinum drugs.

    l. Oral carbecitabene (Xeloda), a second oral chemotherapy (cyclophosamide is also oral) which limits hair loss

    k. More, but I've run out of steam, perhaps others might add to the list?

     Looking back it seems light years ago since my treatment, given all the developments, for which I am very thankful for for my sisters and brothers.

    Tender

    PS: please feel free to copy and past and add on. You could even organize by subsections should someone wish. Best, Tender

  • diana50
    diana50 Member Posts: 2,134
    edited November 2009

    interesting enough is that one of my breast cancer sisters....a very close friend now....got TAC in a clinical trial phase II in 2000.  she is still NED. my clincial trial was a phase III which means it was more refined.  my oncologist told me in 2002 that the taxanes have made the difference in node postive women.  how about that? pretty amazing.....good for the researchers....good for us.

  • Pure
    Pure Member Posts: 1,796
    edited November 2009

    What is TAC? IS that where you are given the 3 drugs together.

    I am geting 5fy, clos, and dox then I do taxol and I am hoping Xleboa.

    Is that different then what you did I take it?

    Diana-were you premenopausal?

  • TenderIsOurMight
    TenderIsOurMight Member Posts: 4,493
    edited November 2009

    Hello  PureE,

    You're getting FAC, 5Flurouracil, Cyclophosphamide and Doxycyline (also known as Adriamycin). FAC is still widely used depending on one's individual circumstances. 

    TAC is Doxycycline (Adriamycin), Cyclophosphamide and Taxotere (a taxane). 

    Years ago I received Doxycyclene, Cyclophosphomide every 3 weeks then Taxotere every three weeks due to node positivity.  Since then it seems the drugs have been merged together.

    Tender

  • AnacortesGirl
    AnacortesGirl Member Posts: 1,758
    edited November 2009

    That is a great list Tender!  And it is inspiring to see all the changes.  I needed something positive like this.  To remind me why I signed up for a trial using Sutent/Taxol and then AC.  Had my last taxol tx last Monday and took my last Sutent about 30 minutes ago.  Getting a week break then start 15 weeks of AC.  Reviewed the SEs of taxol and Sutent last night and it seems like I got most of them in varying degrees.  It was hard.  And prospect of 15 weekly ACs in front of me is daunting.  This trial may or may not pan out, but your list is evidence of why we do this.

    Here's to hoping in 5 years we get to add to the list with a protocol that cures the cancer.  Zero re-occurrence and zero mets. 

  • mmm5
    mmm5 Member Posts: 1,470
    edited November 2009

    These are amazing advancements, but let us please remember that it is our current health care system that has allowed these advancements (along with much private money, foundations etc) lets not let government or new guidelines set us back 30 years.

  • KerryMac
    KerryMac Member Posts: 3,529
    edited November 2009

    Not wanting to get political here, thanks.....

  • weesa
    weesa Member Posts: 707
    edited November 2009

    Wow, Tender, what a great post.Thank you. My own treatment, back in the dark ages, was dose dense AC and then Taxotere, then rads and AI's.Probably not what I would be given today, but I have done well--7 years NED. It seems in the past few years there has been increasing recognition that breast cancer is really a lot of disparate conditions and that each woman needs to be treated individually.

    I always make sure I read your posts, even when it's a topic that doesn't particularly grab me--they are always worthwhile, and are a good example of why I head to breastcancer.org every night when I get home from work.

  • Pure
    Pure Member Posts: 1,796
    edited November 2009

    Tender-thank you for taking the time to post that-that will benificial so many. You hear over and over how treatment is better, changed etc but that really lays it out:)

    Kerry I love your new pic-I didn't even recognize you!!! I guess I am getting FEC-T as well but will get taxol with that new cholris drug (too long to spell) also called xeloba I believe. I get 180 over 2 weeks-no wonder I am a mess:)

  • diana50
    diana50 Member Posts: 2,134
    edited November 2009

    jen, yes, i was totally menopaused. lol

    kerry' great new picture**

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