Nipple-sparing mastectomies?

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Ugh, this is all still so new to me, I hope this isn't a dumb question. I've heard of nipple-sparing mastectomies. I have a hunch that I'm going to be steered by my doctor into a mastectomy where my mass is because of all the microcalcifications in about 1/4 of my breast.

Is there a thread here that talks about this procedure? (I haven't found it) I don't really care that much about my boobs (I've been mostly small/flat anyway), but... I'm kinda attached to the ol' nips! Embarassed 

Does the tumor have to be a certain distance away from your nipple in order for that to be a possibility? Mine's really close... within half an inch. I know this is a question for my doctor, but I won't see him again until next week and I'm obsessing about nipples this evening!! Laughing

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  • unklezwifeonty
    unklezwifeonty Member Posts: 1,710
    edited November 2009

    Dear Julie,

    With 5 cm tumor, you are right to be thinking of mastectomy upfront. As you can imagine, nipple sparing mastectomy leaves your nipple alone. But nipple is also a high risk part of the breast for developing BC. 1/2 inch is real close and after margins the nipple may not survive cosmetically. The procedure is going to leave NO sensation in the nipple. I recommend a skin sparing mastectomy with immediate start of reconstruction. In other words, get rid of the nips to reduce your risk fully. The nipples that PS' make look very realistic and while you will be nipple-less for a few months, in the end you will be satisfied.

    Sorry babe.

  • marie111
    marie111 Member Posts: 119
    edited November 2009

    I've decided to have a nipple sparring mastectomy.  Both my surgeon and PS recommend it.  It is a fairly new procedure here in North America but they have been doing for longer in Europe. I understand there is a risk of BC developing again in the nipple but for me that is something I am willing to live with. I will be closely monitored and if anything develops I can take the nipple off at that time. For me it is the right decision right now, I feel as though I have lost enough to cancer already and am not willing to loose more then I have to. It is a very personal decision, good luck with your decision I am sure you will do what is right for you.

  • Alyad
    Alyad Member Posts: 817
    edited November 2009

    I also had a tumor really close to the nipple and I was devastated that I had to lose the nipple. that played into my decision to have a mx despite a smallish tumor (1.7cm).

     9 months later I sometimes wish I had just had the lumpectomy cause I ended up having rads anyway. I felt like I'd end with a nippleless cratered lump in place of a breast, I'm not sure what could have been done recon wise.

    I miss the sensation of the nipple, but I also miss the sensation of the rest of the breast skin. I had skin sparing TRAM immediately- I am happy with the results- but there is no sensation at all except around the edges.

    it seems like we are put in such a rush at diagnosis to figure out this stuff out- its overwhelming to make these choices. If you can keep the nipple, I would try to. My tumor was subareola so it wasn't an option (or I was told it wasn't- I kinda wonder know- maybe I could have got a second opinon for peace of mind).

  • makingway
    makingway Member Posts: 799
    edited November 2009

    I also had a nipple sparring mastectomy. My tumor was @ an inch from the areola. My surgeon did a biopsy of the nipple at the time of the mastectomy to see if there was any indication of cancer. There was no cancer in the biopsy. It took a long time for the nipple to heal from the biopsy. Some skin turned black, but like a scab does, it fell off. I noticed 2 months after my operation the nipple is flat. It no longer has projection. The PS told me this is because there is no tissue supporting it any longer. Strange though it took 4 months for this to happen. I am glad I got to keep my nipple. It's the inside stuffing that's different. Even if you don't keep your nipple your areola can possibly be spared because it is just skin. Also the estimates for size of tumor are often incorrect. They told me after an MRI mine was 5.9 cm. It turned out to be 4.0 cm. Had I known then what I know now, I would have opted for a lumpectomy. For several reasons...One is that I didn't realize the tissue is removed all the way up to the clavicle. Now I have a dent in my upper chest, along with lots of rippling. The PS reccomendation is to fill with fat injections. I am skinny and don't have much fat-not enought to fill what needs to be filled. If I had opted for a lumpectomy and had to fill in the depression with fat, I would have at least had my breast or most of it...

  • marie111
    marie111 Member Posts: 119
    edited November 2009

    Makingway:

    Thanks for the interesting info. Those are things I will check with my PS about (flat nipple and dent in chest). If there is anything else you can think of let me know.

    I have already had a lumpectomy, I am having MX because of intensive LCIS and family history.

    Marie

  • Tinkerbell99
    Tinkerbell99 Member Posts: 243
    edited November 2009

    thank u all for this info..i have been thinking abt this also.

  • KEW
    KEW Member Posts: 745
    edited November 2009

    Yes distance from nipple is important and so are grade and stage.  You need to find a BS and PS who support the idea and work well together.  During surgery a pathologist will check the tissue from under your nipple and if it is clean they will allow you to keep your nipples. I did not have a nipple biopsy.

    I had immediate reconstruction.  I had 600 cc filled to 125cc when I woke up.  We waited two weeks to begin fills and filled slowly 50cc a time--to 750cc and then we waited about 3 months before exchange to 800cc silicone implants.  We went slowly to keep an eye on the nipples. 

    For me personally it made a HUGE difference in the process, when I first saw myself I looked like me but flatter, it was much less emotional for me. I'm grateful that I had this surgery.

    Yes, they are flat, but I've grown used to it.  I had a hyster/ooph and I'm happy to have my nipples that breastfed my boys, since everything else is gone. 

    However--there are some women who are not good candidates--- and other things to consider....

    Very large breasted women whose breasts are really low--this is because you probably need a breast life and with that your nipples could die.  The MX cuts off all blood flow to the nipple except through the skin, so if you have a lift that moves the nipples they may not make it.  I was borderline and I am settling for my breasts being a little lower than if I had a lift.  With that said, I'm almost 50 and they are way perkier than they were before, but I think they have a natural looking shape for my age.  I have pictures on the forum, I will try and update because it has been 6 months and they look even better.

    Yes, you no longer have sensation in your nipples, but you won't have sensation there anyway.  I have found that it has not changed my sex life--well my relationship has ended, but up until then, I knew when he was touching me and my mind was able to make the connection.  It wasn't like before, but the mind is the biggest sex organ we have, your memory will help.  My nipples respond to hot and cold.

    Many feel that in the next decade NSMX will be the standard.

    The first few days after surgery are important, you can still lose them do to loss of blood flow.  By the second day my PS was sure mine would be fine. 

    Good Luck,

    KarenW 

  • sweatyspice
    sweatyspice Member Posts: 922
    edited November 2009

    As has been said, the issues with nipple sparing seem to be 

    1) blood flow - the way I understand it, the only blood flow left to keep your nipples alive will be through the skin.  If your breasts are large, that may not be enough.  Also, where the incisions are made may make a difference.

     2) cancer margins - it is still an operation to eliminate breast cancer, and surgeons usually won't try nipple sparing if they think the cancer is too close to the nipple.  There seem to be differing opinions on how close is too close.  If the surgeon is willing to try, they will send the tissue just below the nipple to pathology for a frozen section analysis during the surgery - sort of like checking to see if the margins are clean.  If there are cancer cells present in that tissue, you'll have to lose the nipple.  

    Your case seems pretty iffy to me, but I'm not a doctor.  It's worth asking, but the sad truth is that you might have to lose your nipple to try and preserve your overall health.

  • KEW
    KEW Member Posts: 745
    edited November 2009

    My incisions are from the outer part of my areolae towards my arm pit, it does not cross my breast, nor did it cut into the areolae.  My PS nor BS do IMF incisions as they both think they are more inclined to healing problems. Breast size should not impact blood supply through the skin at least I can think of no anatomical or scientifc reason this would occur.

     Overall my feeling was I would lose my nipples for sure, if I didn't try and keep them so, either I would try and keep them and it would work, or it wouldn't and I would be in the same place I would have been in if I didn't try.  I also felt like I was helping women behind me by giving my BS and PS the opportunity to get more experience with the procedure.

    Best--Karen 

  • sweatyspice
    sweatyspice Member Posts: 922
    edited November 2009

    Maybe it's just a convenient way to cover their lack of experience, but most of the PSs I've consulted with so far have said my breast (somewhere between a C and a D) is too big, probably not enough blood supply, etc.  Only one PS said he was confident it could be done on breasts my size or larger. 

    I asked him why I should believe him when I'd heard the opposite from others, he replied that it was all about level of experience.

    I'm not sure I understand what experience has to do with it, they're all removing the most breast tissue they can, aren't they?

    I don't get it, at some point I guess it has to come down to trusting your surgeon - which is hard enough to do (for me at least).

  • KEW
    KEW Member Posts: 745
    edited November 2009

    Sweety--I think it may have more to do with what I wrote about, larger breasted women tend to be "lower" especially if they breastfed, and so many want/need a lift along with reconstruction, which requires cutting around the nipples and moving them.  They do not always get enough blood supply after that.  So, I opted to hang a little lower, but I'm still way higher than I was before, than to have a lift and risk my nipples. Trade-offs, I guess. I think I have great looking breasts for a 50 year-old who breast fed for two years.

    Hugs--Karen 

  • Ang7
    Ang7 Member Posts: 1,261
    edited November 2009

    My surgeon said "nipple-sparing as long as we are able.  We will not know until after the surgery."  I had to just trust him on it.  Sadly, they could not save the nipple, but they did do skin-sparing with flap reconstruction and as it was only a month ago, I am pleased with everything so far.  I know my surgeon did his best to keep it, but it was not meant to be.  I was o.k. going into the surgery knowing that it might not happen.

    Hugs,

    Ang

  • CrunchyPoodleMama
    CrunchyPoodleMama Member Posts: 1,220
    edited November 2009

    Thank you all so very much... I'm a little down about this since my "mass" is so close to the nipple (and it sounds like I would have been a good candidate because I'm, um, small and perky -- though I guess that's part of why the mass is so close).

    For me personally it made a HUGE difference in the process, when I first saw myself I looked like me but flatter, it was much less emotional for me. I'm grateful that I had this surgery. 

    That's exactly it for me. I was practically flat-chested until I started gaining weight after all my miscarriages, so it wouldn't be that shocking to me to see flatness or a big scar... but to have to have a tattooed nipple... that would be emotionally really hard. Of course, whatever I have to do, I'll do.

    So much to chew on... thank you so much again!

  • nagem
    nagem Member Posts: 353
    edited November 2009

    CrunchyPoodleMama (what a great name!), Just a thought: The nipples may seem like a big issue now, but they may not later. I, too, thought that if I could just keep my nipples, I wouldn't look like such an alien. But I was eager not to have any breast tissue remaining—that was, after all, the point of the mastectomy—so I didn't ask to have them preserved. And now, flat-chested and nipple-less, I feel fine about my appearance. In fact, I think it might actually be weird to have nipples. They might look out of place on an otherwise uncontoured, unmarked chest. I'm just saying, if it is something that isn't feasible or advised, you may find that it's not that important to your self-image in the end. Amazingly, I think most people tend to adjust to their new appearance. You might look at pictures on www.breastfree.org (mine are up there too). Good luck with your decision ...

  • KEW
    KEW Member Posts: 745
    edited November 2009

    Julie--Check out Exchange City we have women who are doing all kinds of other things to create nipples, there are many options if that is what you want.  There are 258 pages and I think over 100,000 posts--everyone is welcome.

    Ang was right--you go under not knowing what you are going to wake up with, and you have to be OK with that.

    In the end I think Nagem is right people adjust.

    Hugs--Karen 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2009

    Hi Julie,

    I'm totally with nagam and KEW.  You make the decisions that are right for you, then let yourself adjust.  I did the 3D tattoos because I didn't want more surgery.  The tattoos were emotionally wonderful for me.  I know that when and if I did want nips I can go back to do that later.  Unfortunately, it all takes time.  It's like the army - hurry up - then wait!

    Peace

  • CrunchyPoodleMama
    CrunchyPoodleMama Member Posts: 1,220
    edited November 2009

    Thank you all!

    Ang was right--you go under not knowing what you are going to wake up with, and you have to be OK with that.

    Oh gosh, now that is kind of terrifying to me! But, I know you're right, I'm sure I'll adjust.

    Were any of you in your 30's when you had the mastectomy? I wonder if age makes any difference. I do have to say I'm glad there's no evidence of anything in the left boob... so at least, if I'm ever so very blessed to be able to have a baby, I can still give my baby the experience of breast-feeding... *sigh* if that ever happens. Anyway. Thank you all again. Some of these things are hard to hear, but I'd rather face facts and be able to prepare.

  • dishm
    dishm Member Posts: 1
    edited November 2009

    who is your doctor in atlanta.  I am supposed to have mastectomy but doctor I have doesn't do nipple saving.  I would like to talk to someone who does.

    Thank you. 

  • Lisa1964
    Lisa1964 Member Posts: 944
    edited November 2009

    I had a bi-lateral nipple sparing mastectomy Sept of 2008.  My tumor was on the left breast about 1/.4 inch from the aerola.  My margins were great and my nipple tissue remained alive and healthy on both sides.  Yes, a lot of the feeling is gone, but not totally.  I had simultaneous silicone implants.  Not even medical professionals know I have had a bi-lat mast by just looking.

    Good luck in your choices.

    Lisa

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