do i do a preventative mastectomy

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karink
karink Member Posts: 20

I had atypical cells removed a yr. ago after a biopsy.  I went on tamoxifen & just had my 6 mo. mammogram & saw my dr.  There are more areas that are "probably benign".  I discussed this with my Dr. & one of his suggestions was to have a mastectomy as this would be 100% that this does not keep reoccuring.  I am 58.

Breast cancer runs in my family, both mother & maternal aunt & I had no children.  Is this the way to go?  Has anyone else done this or can anyone give me some support?

Thank you...........Karin

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  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited October 2009

    Karin ~   It's good that your doctor is watching you closely.  Are you in an actual "High Risk Program?"  Some of the larger institutions/breast cancer centers have them, where they do a full evaluation of your risks and monitor you more closely. 

    Knowing what I do now about bc and potential risk, if I was in your situation (atypical cells; no signs yet of in situ bc, and certainly nothing invasive) I would be inclined to look at possible lifestyle changes -- diet, exercise, exposure to chemicals, etc., to see if I could make an impact short of having a mastectomy.  But that's just my point of view.  Others might opt for the mast., and that would be the best decision for them.  Either way, I don't think it's something you have to rush into.    

    Also... with the Tamoxifen.... Did you have the test to ensure you're metabolizing it?  Evidently, there's a wide range of responses to it -- from excellent metabolizers to those who may not be reaping its benefits.  Just another thought ~   Deanna

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited October 2009

    Have you had genetic testing? It makes a big difference to know whether or not you are BRCA+  You may want to consult with a few doctors before you make a decision, especially find a dr who is "savvy" about hereditary bc

  • Daudine
    Daudine Member Posts: 221
    edited October 2009

    Yes you should. I did.

  • clariceak
    clariceak Member Posts: 752
    edited October 2009

    I don't think a masectomy is 100%, while it certainly may lower your odds considerably.  From what I understand. It is nearly impossible for a surgeon to remove all the breast tissue.

    That being said. I do wish I had been taken advantage of that option earlier in my life.

  • HelloFromCT
    HelloFromCT Member Posts: 280
    edited October 2009

    Personally I'd opt for the surgery.  It's the thing that will reduce your risk the most.  Since you have a strong family history and atypical cells more than once, it's something to think about.  I had ADH and family history plus other risk factors, and I'm scheduled for PBM in January.  Of course you should go with your own instincts and what's right for you.  We all have to live with our choices.  For me, peace of mind is more important than keeping breasts that may make me sick somewhere down the line.

    You should have some time to think about it.  No rush.  There are lots of women here who can give you advice on both decisions.  Good luck and please keep us posted.

  • unklezwifeonty
    unklezwifeonty Member Posts: 1,710
    edited October 2009

    BRCA test and Vitamin D test could help determine where your risk is coming from and what you can do.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2009

    Karin----yes, I've "done this" and am still doing it after 6 years (and my risk is double that of yours--I have LCIS and family history). It is stressful at test time, but has gotten easier over time. I alternate mammos with MRIs every 6 months, took tamox for 5 years and now take Evista for further preventative measures. Feel free to PM me if you'd like,

    Anne

  • karink
    karink Member Posts: 20
    edited October 2009

    Thank you!  I'm getting a second opinion in a week.  I totally trust both Dr's.  They are the best in their field where I live.   My med. oncologist was one of the top Dr.'s involved in the study for Tamoxifen.  I had been on evista but he felt strongly about doing the tamox. rather than evista.

    I have a lot to think about & sooooo appreciate all the comments & suggestions.  I'll let you know what decision I make.

     Thank you all so much!

  • Mykidsmom
    Mykidsmom Member Posts: 1,637
    edited October 2009

    Karin - As you have seen, we all have personal reasons for the choices we make. You have options. Only you can decide what is right for you. It does get easier after you make your decision. Hugs. - Jean

  • karink
    karink Member Posts: 20
    edited October 2009

    Anne, you're right...i don't want another biopsy, one was plenty.  I don't know what a BSGI is but I know I haven't had that done.  A lot of my friends are suggesting a double mastectomy but I want to see what my Dr.'s say before I make that decision.  I'll keep you posted.    Karin

  • karink
    karink Member Posts: 20
    edited October 2009

    Jean, My friend also said that about it being easier once the decision is made.  Right now without all the answers & opinions from my Dr.'s it is scary.  Luckily my husband is right by my side.  Other than that I don't have any other family to fall back on.  I'm also not telling my daughter until the decision is made.  Thank you so much for your support.  Nice to see you're a hugger too...hugs back my friend!  Karin

  • karink
    karink Member Posts: 20
    edited October 2009

    My medical oncologist stated that by having a mastectomy we could be 100% sure that this would take care of the problem.  So now I'm confused...I was not aware that they couldn't get all the tissue by doing this. 

  • bosombuddybeck
    bosombuddybeck Member Posts: 13
    edited October 2009

    I would definitely have a double mastectomy!  Take it from me.  I was diagnosed almost ten years ago and would have loved to have the option that you have.  Even though nothing is 100% going to prevent it, it will certainly cut your risks.  The mammogram did not pick up my malignancy, therefore, I had a 1.4 cm tumor that had been there for years resulting in surgery, chemo, tamoxifen and femara.  I have implants now and am very happy with the outcome.  Since I was small before, I went to a bigger size.  Do what you can now to help prevent a future problem in which you will have fewer choices!  Good luck  with your choice.

  • Mykidsmom
    Mykidsmom Member Posts: 1,637
    edited October 2009

    Hi there - Just my two cents. While it is true that a PBM does not remove all risk of future bc, my risk for invasive bc dropped from somewhere between 30 and 80% to somewhere between 1 and 5% after my mastectomy. That was enough for me. My risk now is much less than the average woman. As for reconstruction, my oncologist strongly recommended it for me and I am so glad that he did. I chose implants because they don't require surgery on another part of my body, but there are a lot of options. Since you don't have to hurry w/ your decision, I would strongly suggest that you carefully research all the reconstruction options. Don't rush your decision, you have time to think it through.

    As for ultimate size. I started out this process as an A/B size and now I am a B/C size. I kind of enjoy being a little bit bigger. That part has added a little fun to this whole process.

    Hugs - Jean 

  • karink
    karink Member Posts: 20
    edited October 2009

    Hi Anne,  Thanks for all the info.  The friend that suggested a double mast. is one who had stage 2 bc & opted for chemo & radiation because her Dr. said that she still has lots of healthy breast tissue but...depending on future check ups she said she would not hesitate for a min. about doing a double.  I appreciate your input & will keep everyone posted.

  • karink
    karink Member Posts: 20
    edited October 2009

    Hi Mykidsmom....Luckily I have the BEST surgeon to do reconstruction should I go that route.  I worked with him yrs. ago at a local hospital.  I'm an Occupational Therapist.  He has a foundation here in St. Louis & does reconstruction for those pts. that would not otherwise be able to afford it.  He's done other surgery on me & I would not trust anyone other than him.  Thank goodness I know his work & his reputation!  Karin

  • rumoret
    rumoret Member Posts: 685
    edited October 2009

    After my mastectomy in 2006 and during my chemo........I clearly knew in my heart that I wanted the right breast off. I remember telling my mother that I was thinking about taking the other one off (she had a lumpectomy 10 years ago at age 69), and she just looked at me. I have one sister who likes to tell me about the remaining breast tissue and how it can come back. My sister likes the idea of having more breast tissue so if the cancer came back it would not be so close to the chest wall. Now I prefer not to have it come back in my breast and hiding out for years like the first one did.

    So......I am aiming for a mastectomy on my right breast. I do not plan on reconstruction because I like being FLAT.......let freedom ring! And should I want to be a B cup or a C cup that will be my choosing. 

    If the doctors recommend to the BRACA gene sisters to have a mastectomy because of their odds of getting breast cancer........then it should be good enough for this sister too!

    I plan on following my GUT........and it says.......take it off! I once heard a doctor speak about how the HEART is better at making decisions and the BRAIN will over think a decision. I educate myself on the subject and then I digest the information, and then I ask myself, "What does your heart (GUT) say?"

     Hugs,

    Terry

  • Mantra
    Mantra Member Posts: 968
    edited October 2009

    I too am most likely going to have a mastectomy on my "healthy??" breast. My gut tells me its the right decision.  If losing a breast can give me a better chance of never having to go through this again, then off with the breast!  And if it means my family never has to go through this again, then that's even more incentive to me.

  • Mantra
    Mantra Member Posts: 968
    edited October 2009

    During my mastectomy, my surgeon removed my fascia covering the chest muscle. I recall her saying it is the way of knowing you have removed all breast tissue against the chest wall. Did anyone else's surgeon do this? However, she also said I need to continue with mammograms because some breast tissue is always left behind and that you cannot be sure you got it all. I assume it's the breast tissue under the arm that's left in my case? When she removes the other breast, I'll have to find out if she always removes the fascia or if she just does it if someone has close margins. I know my lumpectomy pathology showed a 1.5 mm margin on the chest wall and she said it was too close given the aggressiveness of my cancer.

  • kreativek
    kreativek Member Posts: 58
    edited October 2009

    My mother and BOTH grandmothers all had bc.  So I have it on both sides of the family.  When I was diagnosed with atypical ductal hyperplasia, my breast surgeon said my risk for breast cancer was 60-70%.  I did have genetic testing and I am BRCA negative.  Even being BRCA negative, with ADH and a family history I had about 70% chance of bc in my lifetime (BRCA positive is about 87%).  When I went back for my check up this year,  my breast surgeon said that having ADH without a family history increases your bc risk 4-5 times and WITH a family history it raises you risk 8-9 times.  So I probably had about a 80% chance of bc.

    I chose the preventive mastectomy with skin and nipple sparing.  I have silicone implants and look great.  I had this done 18 months ago and I don't even worry about getting breast cancer anymore. It is wonderful to still have my nipples and I feel like I just changed the "insides" of my breasts.

    It is true that cannot get every single breast cell so you risk will never be 0%.  However, even with nipple sparing my risk is probably around 3-4%.  The average women has an 11% risk so it is much less than that.

    It's a very personal decision that each woman has to make for herself.  You don't have to rush into anything either.  I am VERY happy with my decision and it gives me peace of mind. 

  • LBBoston
    LBBoston Member Posts: 3
    edited October 2009

    MY wife recently had MRI and biopsy and had ADH - but everything "found" benign   She has family history - mother and sister died of BC  Doctor standard of care is for lumpectomy (ping pong ball size) scheduled in 3 weeks.  I was shocked at first at the lumpectomy approach when all was benign - as was she ....   Does this sound like a reasonable approach?  Doctor said the risk of finding something was 5%

  • karink
    karink Member Posts: 20
    edited October 2009

    I have another question.  These atypical cells - calcifications - does anyone know if these will at some point in my life turn into breast cancer?  From what I understand they will but who know when...6 mos. or 15 yrs.  Any info or answers?  Thanks, Karin

  • kreativek
    kreativek Member Posts: 58
    edited October 2009

    LBBoston:  yes, a lumpectomy is the standard treatment for ADH.  It is considered "precancer".  With her family history, did they recommend genetic testing?  Did they recommend Tamoxifen also?  These things are pretty standard for ADH.  With her family history AND the ADH she is at pretty high risk and should investigate further surveillance/treatment.  I chose a preventive mastectomy when I was in this situation, but some chose surveillance and tamoxifen.

    KarinK:  atypical cells are not the same as calcifications.  Calcifications themselves are not harmful, but they show up around atypical and cancerous cells.  I don't think anyone knows for certain if and when atypical cells will turn to cancer.  My breast surgeon's opinion is "they almost always do (if not removed)" so they usually make sure they are removed.  Even after removing atypical/pre-cancerous cells, they are a marker that you are at an increased risk for breast cancer - especially in the next 10 year.

     Anne1962:  I'd be happy to share my experience in detail with you.  You can email me at 1ocforce.kris@sbcglobal.net

    I actually went a little smaller with my reconstruction.  The other ladies in my support group all went larger.  We all had nipple sparing and the incisions are in the crease under the breast.  My implants were placed during the first surgery since I had plenty of skin and wanted to go smaller.  They all had expanders placed and went for fills.  They then had an exchange surgery where the expanders were swapped with silicone implants.  The good thing is we all got "something good" out of this - they got to be a little bigger and I got the breast reduction I wanted! 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2009

    karin-- with ADH /ALH, the risk is thought to be about 20 to 25%; but that also means there is a 75 to 80% that you won't ever develop invasive bc. They generally recomend close monitoring for ADH alone, some doctors recommend the addition of tamoxifen if there are other significant risk factors involved, such as family history of bc. I have LCIS which has a risk level of 40 to 50%, plus I have family history of ILC; so I do high risk monitoring with mammos alternating with MRIs every 6 months, breast exams on the opposite 6 months, took tamoxifen for 5 years and now take Evista for further preventative measures. It isn't for everyone, but it works for me.

    Anne

  • karink
    karink Member Posts: 20
    edited October 2009

    Anne ~ Thank you.  I am closely monitored, have mammos every 6 mos. & am on Tamoxifen.  How well that is being absorbed & working is questionable.  The atypical cells or calcification are back having been removed last summer, '08.  My dilema is do I have them removed again & keep watching or do the mast. & be done with it?  I just had the BRCA test but have to wait about 4-6 weeks for results.  I'm at high risk since it runs in my family.

    Karin

  • clariceak
    clariceak Member Posts: 752
    edited October 2009

    Karin -

    Have you seen a genetic counselor?  My BRCA test came back in 10 days when it was run in September so maybe you won't have to wait so long.  I have maternal and paternal aunts with both breast and ovarian cancer, other family members with different types of cancer and a younger sister who was dx with bc at 43. 

    My BRCA 1 & 2 tests came back negative.  I believe my genetic counselor called it a "non informative negative".  I agreed with his conclusion, that it was very likely that some genetic mutation was happening in my family that has yet to be identified by a gene test.  I am proceeding as if it was positive and opted for a bilat and will have ovary removal after treatment.  My only regret is that I didn't have a preventative masectomy years ago as I am now Stage III after a clean mammo in Jan 09.

    It's such an individual decision and it sounds like you are doing everything possible as far as careful monitoring.   I think your age may be an advantage as well, as it seems genetic based cancers tend to hit earlier.

    Best wishes for making the decision that is right for you.

  • Morgan513
    Morgan513 Member Posts: 664
    edited October 2009

    I wanted to jump in too.  I am a little over a year out from treatment which was lumpectomy, chemo and radiation.  Over the course of time, my "good" breast has calcifications in it (probably benign).  I wish I knew then what I know now.  I would have had both removed and eliminated the worry.  I am terrified of having bc again.  I plan to visit my surgeon to discuss the option of double prophylactic mastectomy.  The constant worry is enough for me.  

    Lorrie 

  • Annabella58
    Annabella58 Member Posts: 2,466
    edited October 2009

    Hi Lorrie: I'm in this with you.. had it twice in the same boob.  During a routine screening, thankfully an MRI caught a 1.5 cm non invasive. 

    went for a mtxmy (prev. rads, no other options) and chemo.  But I now have a DD and a small C.  Either I walk in circles the rest of my life and get a lift and reduce.  Now, why I'd go for that, when I can still get BC in it?  Dont' know.  So am pursuing this aggressively, even tho I had my onc (whom I love and is a darling usually) say to me "taking off the other breast won't keep the cancer from coming back."  Not helpful.  However, it will certainly lower the risk!

    i am not BRAC+, I have the eggos and uterus out as I was heavily estrogen +++ and not in menopause yet at 53.  I've done what I can but as I see, why not finish the job already?  I can't keep on checking and worrying and living from mammo to MRI to mammo.................

    enough already!!

    Good luck to both of us

  • shadow2356
    shadow2356 Member Posts: 393
    edited October 2009

    If I could have seen into the future I would have done it. My mother, grandmother and first cousin have all had BC. I am BRCA negative although my first cousin is positive. All the doctors say they believe it is a mutation that is not yet identifiable. It is a tough choice, but if you do a preventative you have time on your side. You can interview doctors and decide about reconstruction without the degree of fear you have when there is cancer. It is a tough choice, good luck.

  • Morgan513
    Morgan513 Member Posts: 664
    edited October 2009

    It's really interesting how time can put some things in perspective.  When I was first diagnosed, I had a surgical second opinion trying to decide between mx and lumpectomy.  The 2nd opinion surgeon was very distracted by the calcifications in lefty and my cancer was in righty.  I didn't get it.  I couldn't understand what the bother was with lefty.  I was worried about righty!  Well, fast forward through 2 MRIs, 2 Mammos and they are still focused on lefty.  My first mammo after treatment was traumatic.  I had to get two sets of films taken (read: stressed out waiting in the holding room watching everyone else leave), then they say I need an ultrasound.  But again, I have to wait for an hour for the tech to come back from lunch (it was either stay or come back another day--I didn't want to wait days to come back).  The tech does the ultrasound and says that the doctor just needs to look at it and we'll be back in about 15 minutes.  30 minutes later, the radiologist and the tech come back.  The radiologist is again fixated on lefty.  She says that she "thinks" she can see it on a previous mammogram.  She says she even ran it by the other radiologists to see if they see it too.  I ask her about the MRI I had a few months earlier which said the calcifications were likely due to changes in breast tissue due to the menstrual cycle.  The MRI findings were benign. What do they mean that they "think" they can see it.  I was told to go for a follow-up in 6 months with "probably benign" as the box checked off.  Oh, and that I might want to consider a biopsy.  I saw the surgeon about 2 weeks later and she was like "see you in 6 months."  I was totally freaked out and at my wit's end!

    Fast forward 5 months, my chemo onc sends me for another MRI--came back fine.  I wanted to skip the 6 month mammo as it was 6 weeks after the MRI.  Oh no--had to go according to my onc.  He set me up to have the mammo read by the head of radiology who happens to be the same guy who reads the MRIs.  I only had one set of shots done (better) but, the result was that the calcifications are still there and then come back in 6 months, findings are "probably benign".  Yikes!  "Probably benign" are loaded words for someone who has just gone through the battle with the beast.

    So over the last 6 months, I've given things a lot of thought.  I can't live with the possibility hanging so heavy in the air.  I know that the prophylactic mastectomy isn't a guarantee but I soooo can't deal with the worry and the what if.  Should I just hang out and wait for something to pop up?  We all know how quickly these things can grow.  So, that's why I'm going to have a talk with the surgeon when I see her in a couple of weeks.  Should I get the spots biopsied?  Should I just go for the bilateral?  Has the radiation side healed enough even to do this?  

    Sorry, just ranting.  Clearly I have a problem with this!

    Lorrie 

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