Daily vitamin regimen?
What do you suggest for a daily vitamin? I have to avoid using anything with soy/soy lecithin in it because of the ER+ and many vitamin contain this ingredient. There's a lot of stuff on the market and it's confusing to know what is a safe dose, what will benefit the body, etc. I have heard that it's probably good to avoid big doses of vitamin C as well as vit C can sometimes cause cancer? True? Anyway if someone has a good supplement I'd like to hear from you. Can I name brands here?
Some brands seem to have everything and the kitchen sink in them, like greens, mushrooms, etc. Are these just overkill? My diet is pretty good. I am already taking a product made by AOR called Network Synergy which is an antioxidant which I take 4 x a day. But it isn't a vitamin...since I just ran out of my vitamins and noticed it DID contain soy I'm shopping! Any ideas?
thanks,
tuckertwo Dianne
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I take a One-a-Day for Women, 1000 iu Vitamin D in the morning and then 500 mg Calcium w/Vitamin D, 250 mg Magesium in the evening.
I suggest you read the labels and look for quantities of necessary vitamins and minerals. I know that I didn't want vitamins with a lot of extra stuff in them. Unnecessary in my opinion.
And I also eat copious amounts of fruits and vegetables every day.
Oh and I also take 4 Omega-3 gummy fish (Trader Joes). The are delicious!
Lorrie
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i just take a multivitamin, B complex, calcium and vit D. i eat a lot of fresh garlic and fruits. veggies and flax/grains. exercise is one of my vitamins too. (smile)\
diana50
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Athena is on the right track about Vitamin D. EVERYONE should get their Vitamin D levels checked. To bring it up by 10 points, you need to increase your dosage by 1,000 iu. I get a total of about 2,000 a day and I had my doctor check my levels and they are fine.
Lorrie
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought we were to avoid antioxidants?
I take a multi with iron, vit d, b complex, cold fx, and red reishi
This is what I have been taking for a while and I haven't caught a cold in over 2 years.
When I feel something coming on I do the 3, 2, 1 of cold fx and that nips it in the bud.
Right now there is a lot of flu going around - hubby, and both kids have something - so I'm wondering about getting the flu vaccine.
What about the H1N1 vaccine too?
Has anyone spoken to their doctors about the flu vaccines?
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You should avoid antioxidants while in treatment. It can interfere with the effectiveness of chemo &/or radiation.
Lorrie
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Agreed, Athena. I think it's worth it for all of us to have a conversation with our onc's to see where we stand with our Vitamin D levels. I also got most of my information from a nutritionist who works with cancer patients. Very informative.
Lorrie
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So true! I had to ask my onc to check my levels as requested by my nutritionist. I'm not sure he was completely happy about it but I don't care!
Lorrie
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Good info here, thank you! I will have my vit D levels checked. The oncs never mentioned that. About taking antioxidants - I didn't while on chemo but I have been while just being on herceptin. Herceptin isn't chemo per se. Anyone else taking antioxidants while on herceptin only? It was recommended by my naturopath.
Another question is about selenium which is an ingredient in my antioxidant. How important is this mineral?
tuckertwo
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My vitamin D levels go down as soon as I cut back to a lower level so my docs want me to take about 5000IUs indefinitely. Right now I'm using liquid drops in the hope that they are absorbed better by my system. My blood level was 31 at my most recent test and we want to get it up to about 60.
Other supplements I take:
DIM
Curcumin
B12(I tested low)
Multi-B vitamin
CoQ10
Fish Oil
Probiotic
Generic centrum silver--I'm still searching for a good multi if anyone has any suggestions...!
Periodically take vitamin C esp if I have surgery coming up but it irritates my bladder so I don't take it daily.
I have to check what else I take. I make up little daily packets every week so I when I do that, I'll update.
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I take
2000u D, Fish oil, Flax seed oil, asadopholis these after my Gyn did blood work.
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I take a multi vitamin (with out iron)
Calcium & vit D
just added fish oil/Omega 3
I do eat a variety of fruit, veggie, beans, grains etc and try to avoid heavy processed food.
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I talked to a Cancer agency pharmacist (I am in Canada) and she suggested being very careful with supplements. Here in Canada they should say 'standardized' and have a DIN -drug info number. A lot of vitamins don't say that, ditto with herbal supplements or just supplements. I cannot take anything with soy or flaxseeds as I am estrogen receptor negative breast cancer. To my surprise, some calcium products have soy oil and one had evening primrose oil, also a no-no with ER- bc.
I take omega 3's, vit D, a multivit/mineral by Jamieson, calcium by same brand, Vit B complex. I do eat way better than I did prior to bc, lots of fruits and veggies and organic as possible. I eat very little red meat. We eat wild sockeye, chicken, beans. No tofu...sadly. I liked it. No processed foods at all. No booze or cigarettes but I never did that anyway. I do think that doctors don't know much about the value of a good diet, and it never seems to come up in studies even though 'we are what we eat'. Wonder why.
Dianne
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EWB,
I see you are her2+ like me. Are you taking aromatase inhibitors or Tamoxifen? Also wondered if you had herceptin at diagnosis?
Sorry, don't mean to hijack this thread.
tuckertwo
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Dianne -- Just wondering why you feel you need to stay away from soy or flaxseed if you're ER negative? I'm ER+ and there are some who say that a positive ER receptor status means that maybe we should avoid plant food which is heavy in phyto-estrogens such as soy.
Also, tamox (if you're pre-meno) and AIs (if you're post-meno) are generally the recommended tx for ER+.
Linda
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I take OPC-3, Acai, Isotonic Vit. D, Calcium, CoQ10 all with my docs permissioncontact me for more info: holligoog@yahoo.comResearch suggests role of low vitamin D in cancer
22. May 2009 01:34
In studying the preventive effects of vitamin D, researchers at the Moores Cancer Center at the University of California, San Diego, have proposed a new model of cancer development that hinges on a loss of cancer cells' ability to stick together. The model, dubbed DINOMIT, differs substantially from the current model of cancer development, which suggests genetic mutations as the earliest driving forces behind cancer."The first event in cancer is loss of communication among cells due to, among other things, low vitamin D and calcium levels," said epidemiologist Cedric Garland, DrPH, professor of family and preventive medicine at the UC San Diego School of Medicine, who led the work. "In this new model, we propose that this loss may play a key role in cancer by disrupting the communication between cells that is essential to healthy cell turnover, allowing more aggressive cancer cells to take over."
Reporting online May 22, 2009 in the Annals of Epidemiology, Garland suggests that such cellular disruption could account for the earliest stages of many cancers. He said that previous theories linking vitamin D to certain cancers have been tested and confirmed in more than 200 epidemiological studies, and understanding of its physiological basis stems from more than 2,500 laboratory studies.
"Competition and natural selection among disjoined cells within a tissue compartment, such as might occur in the breast's terminal ductal lobular unit, for example, are the engine of cancer," Garland said. "The DINOMIT model provides new avenues for preventing and improving the success of cancer treatment."
Garland went on to explain that each letter in DINOMIT stands for a different phase of cancer development. "D" stands for disjunction, or loss of intercellular communication; "I," for initiation, where genetic mutations begin to play a role; "N" for natural selection of the fastest-reproducing cancer cells; "O" for overgrowth of cells; "M" for metastasis, when cancer cells migrate to other tissues, where cancer can kill; "I" refers to involution, and "T" for transition, both dormant states that may occur in cancer and potentially be driven by replacing vitamin D.
While there is not yet definitive scientific proof, Garland suggests that much of the evolutionary process in cancer could be arrested at the outset by maintaining vitamin D adequacy. "Vitamin D may halt the first stage of the cancer process by re-establishing intercellular junctions in malignancies having an intact vitamin D receptor," he said.
According to Garland, other scientists have found that the cells adhere to one another in tissue with adequate vitamin D, acting as mature epithelial cells. Without enough vitamin D, they may lose this stickiness along with their identity as differentiated cells, and revert to a stem cell-like state.
Garland said that diet and supplements can restore appropriate vitamin D levels, and perhaps help in preventing cancer development. "Vitamin D levels can be increased by modest supplementation with vitamin D3 in the range of 2000 IU/day," he noted.
The researchers noted that many studies show an apparent beneficial effect of vitamin D and calcium on cancer risk and survival of patients with breast, colorectal and prostate cancer. However, there are some studies that have not found such benefit, especially when taking smoking, alcohol and viruses into account. While more research needs to be done, Garland recommends that individuals should have their vitamin D level tested during an annual check up.
Garland and his colleagues have published epidemiological studies about the potential preventive effects of vitamin D for some two decades. Last year, his team showed an association between deficiency in sunlight exposure, low vitamin D and breast cancer. In previous work, they showed associations between increased levels of vitamin D3 or markers of vitamin D and a lower risk for breast, colon, ovarian and kidney cancers.
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I take OPC-3, Acai, Isotonic Vit. D, Calcium, CoQ10 all with my docs permissioncontact me for more info: holligoog@yahoo.comResearch suggests role of low vitamin D in cancer
In studying the preventive effects of vitamin D, researchers at the Moores Cancer Center at the University of California, San Diego, have proposed a new model of cancer development that hinges on a loss of cancer cells' ability to stick together. The model, dubbed DINOMIT, differs substantially from the current model of cancer development, which suggests genetic mutations as the earliest driving forces behind cancer.
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