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  • jrgolomb
    jrgolomb Member Posts: 1,236
    edited August 2009

    Hello everyone.  I did go ahead and have radiation.  I am about three weeks out from that.  Next month I will probably go on tamoxifen, though I have to say I am having hotflashes consistently through the day.  Okay all=have a great day.

  • krcll
    krcll Member Posts: 343
    edited August 2009

    Hi all!

    I'm new to this site. Three days ago I had a mastectomy of my left breast and a lumpectomy on the right. The SNs were taken out and looked fine. Whew! Of course, I have to wait for the pathology results after the surgery, but the mammos/ultrsounds/biopsies/MRI showed 2 tumors of IDC (grade 2 or 3) of 2 cm. each in different quadrants of the left breast and a very small IDC (grade 1) tumor in the right breast. The surgeon said that there was no reason to do a mx on the right since it wasn't an agressive cancer type. What do all you other multicentric women think? I am also a little confused as to whether it always is hard to see DCIS on MRIs and mammos? It seems, from reading this forum, that DCIS often "pops up" when they do a mx instead of a lumpectomy. 

    Otherwise, I'm doing fine- drain out yesterday (and not a moment too soon!), home from hospital today. I feel kind of banged up but don't need any pain medication any more. It looks like my future will be FEC chemo (because multicentric), rads (because of right breast lumpectomy) and hormone therapy. Fun, fun......

  • jrgolomb
    jrgolomb Member Posts: 1,236
    edited August 2009

    Hi krcll-

    Yeah, I was totally shocked when the MRI showed cancer scattered throughout my right breast.  Of course they recommended a mastectomy and chemo, then later told me to have radiation because the margins were 3mms, only 2......

  • krcll
    krcll Member Posts: 343
    edited August 2009

    Hi jrgolomb-

    Was your pathology report after the surgery about what you had expected from the mammog/ultrasound/MRI  that you took before the surgery? I won't be getting my post-op reports until 3 weeks from now so I'm just wondering how often there are suprises.... Especially with multifocal cancer, which I understand is somewhat unusual.

  • jrgolomb
    jrgolomb Member Posts: 1,236
    edited August 2009

    The final path report was after surgery, though I went for the mastectomy based on the mri---The bs and two or bs' opinions recommended a mastectomy.  The snb done at that time, uncovered one +node and put me into the gray area for radiation.  Two rad opinions later suggested radiation.  The final path report also spelled out what type of cancer I had-idc and two subtypes of idc , plus lots of dcis.  I was surprised after the mast because I feared It was worse based on the mri, but doc told me later the mri is notorious for false positives.  So in that case, yes the report changed what i expected.....I expected a stage III based on the mri and instead because of the size of the largest tumor, was staged at II.  I still wonder if the mulifocal puts me in at stage III spot. 

  • heatherw
    heatherw Member Posts: 8
    edited August 2009

    My breast cancer is also multifocal and my Dr. has me doing chemo x8 followed by surgery.

  • jrgolomb
    jrgolomb Member Posts: 1,236
    edited August 2009

    Heatherw 

    Chemo before surgery?  I often wonder if that is something I should have had done....I wonder what the logic was for you?  Size of tumor, cancer type?

  • heatherw
    heatherw Member Posts: 8
    edited August 2009

    Hi,  I had 2 masses, 1 at 5 and the other at 6 o'clock.  and multifocal I think they wanted to shrink things.  I get a little confussed at times.  It's like learning a new language. 

  • krcll
    krcll Member Posts: 343
    edited August 2009

    Heatherw- how big were your tumors? I had two in the left breast- each 2 cm. I agree about how it is like learning a new language. I get a headache sometimes from it all!

  • heatherw
    heatherw Member Posts: 8
    edited August 2009

    krcll-

    i have a 1.1cm mass in the 6o'clock and a1.0cm mass at the 5 o'clock.  it showed infiltering ductal carcinoma, the grade not stated.  there was some associated dcis. er/pr pos her2 neg.  sentinal biopsy neg.

  • koshka1
    koshka1 Member Posts: 678
    edited August 2009

    Hi.....

    My breast cancer was found via mammo and a small cluster of calcifications.

    After 3 biopsies that said something different, I had an excisional wire guided biopsy that found dcis and 2 tiny idc tumours...1mm and 4mm and my lymph nodes were negative.

    I went on to have rads and tamoxifin.

    My 1 year MRI showed all was good with that boob.

    Hugs....Kosh

  • jrgolomb
    jrgolomb Member Posts: 1,236
    edited August 2009

    Hiya Koshka, Krcll, heather w-  You are so right; it is like learning a new language.  My learning curve has been the sharpest ever. 

    You know , I don't know about the actual o clock positions, but I do know that they were in the inner quadrants-upper and lower.  I remember trying to talk the docs into lumdectomies....they said they could, but it would mean take a lump out and wait, take a lump out and wait, take another lump out and wait.....Too many lumps, I guess. 

    heather and krcll---I bet you are/were so glad you do not have positive nodes.  

  • krcll
    krcll Member Posts: 343
    edited August 2009
    jrgolomb- I haven't gotten the pathology report after the operation yet, so I suppose I could still get some bad news about the nodes. But if I understand right, the worst it could be is micromets to the nodes and maybe wouldn't need to have surgery?? I am trying not to worry too much about the path report I will get Sept.1 because there are too many possibilities of things to worry about. In the end, the cancer is doing whatever it is doing and a path report doesn't change anything - it just gives us the knowledge to fight it better. I was really thrilled about the no positive nodes message after the surgery until the nurse told me they couldn't tell me when I would start chemo until they were sure they were done operating on me. Maybe positive thinking involves an element of denial and maybe thats not so bad?  ;-)
  • jrgolomb
    jrgolomb Member Posts: 1,236
    edited August 2009

    krcll--You are correct, you won't know  the extent of it until after the path report.  Sometimes the waiting is rough.  After my surgery, the bS told me about node involvement, but added the path report will detail everything......

  • heatherw
    heatherw Member Posts: 8
    edited September 2009

    Hi, I'm sorry it took me so long to respond.  YES, I am so glad no nodes involved.  My Onoc. said their was a pos cell.  That scares me.  I'M NO DR. what is that?  I haven't had surgery yet.  I just finished 4 A/C and am starting Taxol fri.  Hope it is more merciful.  Hope your doing good.  Best wishes to you and anyone else facing this. 

  • Luah
    Luah Member Posts: 1,541
    edited September 2009

    Interesting reading all these posts... and how often the outcome has been mas, even bilat mas. I have multicentric IDC: 2.6 cm at 1:00, 1.5 cm at 11:00. Because of their proximity, BS is offering lumpectomy and rads or mas - my choice. I'm leaning to the first.

    I'm meeting with her tomorrow and here are my questions: how would procedure be done (single incision, remove tissue between tumours as well as tumours and get clean margins)? if so, what would reasonably be left?  (I have medium sized breasts, the cancerous one is the slightly larger one). How much scarring is likely to result (obscuring future scans)? how often have your encountered this situation and what have been the outcomes? would it make sense to do chemo to shrink them first? on SNB, is sentinel node the same for both tumours? what on the MRI (scheduled for Oct. 5) would tilt this to mas?  

    I'm sure I've forgotten some questions -- what else would you ask? or wish you had known? Deeply appreciate any suggestions you may have on my line of questioning... thanks in advance.

  • jrgolomb
    jrgolomb Member Posts: 1,236
    edited September 2009

    Luah

    I think you are asking all the right questions and I also think so much of this is a very individual choice  ARe you undergoing chemo and/or radiation tx? I wonder if knowing that will affect your decision.  I went with the recommendation of my BS , especially after she talked to the team who gathered together to discuss my treatment.  That team comprised the BS, PS, chemo oncologist and radiation oncologist.  They decided I had just too many tumors and I am small breasted, so I felt better about having a mx.  Good luck and I hope my little blurb helps.

  • Luah
    Luah Member Posts: 1,541
    edited September 2009

    Thanks Jess.  I met with BS today and got all my questions answered.  Still leaning to lumpectomy (yes with rads and probably chemo too, given stage 2 at least), but it will really depend on the MRI results; if that shows more cancer, then I won't need to choose - the mas it is. Have to wait til Oct. 3 for an MRI and end of October for surgery - would dearly like to get that moved up. 

    It's great that you had the benefit of the whole team before your surgery; the practice here seems to be to do surgery, then refer to oncologists. And apparently trying to coordinate a PS with a BS can take quite awhile - just don't feel I want to wait any longer.... 

  • jrgolomb
    jrgolomb Member Posts: 1,236
    edited September 2009

    Luah-  Omigosh, the waiting.  I remember wondering why it took so long for surgery, but I had a skilled surgeon and wonderful plastic surgeon and I really truly believed they were there/are there to help me see my daughter graduate from high school and go on to college, have kids and let me watch them and spoil them during the weekend!  Keep in touch

  • CoolBreeze
    CoolBreeze Member Posts: 4,668
    edited September 2009

    I have multifocal too - 2.4 cm IDC at 7:00 with another area right there of "something," possible DCIS, making for a total of 4.5 cm, extending to the mediial breast area near the nipple. Also have LCIS.  MRI was not conclusive in pinpointing location - so having an MRI-guided core biopsy tomorrow.

    Onc thinks shrinking it down first won't help, so it's either mastectomy or lumpectomy, depending on tomorrow's test.  I VERY MUCH wanted lumpectomy which is why this one more test -  but I know it's going to be mast.  :(  I feel more thickening and lumps than before.

    Good news was even with LCIS, my left breast is clear.  (It's my right one that's infected.)

    I've been waiting forever and yes, like Luah, now I have to wait until the sugeon coordinates with PS.  I'm ready to get it done, whatever "it" is.

  • jrgolomb
    jrgolomb Member Posts: 1,236
    edited September 2009

    Good luck Cool Breeze.  It was really a shocker when my BS called and said the cancer was all over my breast.  I was so numb ; I am pretty sure I walked around in a daze for many days!!!LOL. 

  • jrgolomb
    jrgolomb Member Posts: 1,236
    edited October 2009

    I like to bump this up every now and then because I wonder how many of us are around.  AND I wonder, did your dr. say because of the multifocal nature of your cancer, the risk is higher in the other breast??????? I just had my six month mammo and it is all clear.  TG!!!!!!!

  • Luah
    Luah Member Posts: 1,541
    edited October 2009

    Thanks Jess for bumping this up.  I've heard that only about 10% of cases are multi-focal on presentation.

    I have multi-focal (2.1 cm and 1.2 cm) technically in separate quadrants but very close. I am having a lumpectomy tomorrow.

    From the research I've done, some older studies showed the risk of recurrence to be somewhat  higher in multifocal disease, but more recent studies haven't shown a significant difference. I had a pre-op MRI that showed nothing suspicious in my other breast, so I feel confident for now.  My docter said that one's risk of recurrence and overall prognosis has more to do with the type and stage of your cancer - and in particular the degree of lymph node involvement - than anything else.

    Glad to hear you got the all-clear!  Wishing you many more check-ups like that....

  • jrgolomb
    jrgolomb Member Posts: 1,236
    edited October 2009

    Yes, I am amazed at how little info there is out there about the multifocal nature of cancer.  I was surprised they treated me based on the size of the largest tumor and what the positive node was since I had IDC and two sub types of cancer.  I have had a US and digital mammo of the good breast andso far so good and I will be one year out on Friday. 

    so , Luah what is your tx???

  • jrgolomb
    jrgolomb Member Posts: 1,236
    edited November 2009
  • kimbly
    kimbly Member Posts: 398
    edited November 2009

    I also had multifocal cancer.  Two tumors 1.2cm  and 1.8 cm very close together.  I had DCIS in a different quadrant though and nothing in my right breast.  I had chemo first.  They were trying to shrink the tumors but the DCIS threw me into a mastectomy anyway.  I am now 2 years out and doing well. 

  • jrgolomb
    jrgolomb Member Posts: 1,236
    edited November 2009

    Hey Kimbly.  I am glad you are doing well.  Yeah, I had the tumors- 5 of them and so I had a mx.  I ended up having chemo and radiation becuase of the one node and because of the number of tumors in my breast.  One year out and I feel pretty okay.  I am waiting the final exchange for the implants.

  • Lisa_S
    Lisa_S Member Posts: 7
    edited November 2009

    Jess, what did you decide to do about chemo.  I think your situation might be similar to mine.  I had a lumpectomy on 11/20 to remove my 1.1cm tumor and my nearby intramammary lymph node.  Surprisingly, my sentinel node came back negative during surgery (although final pathology is not back yet).  Assuming the sentinel node comes back negative on final pathology, my oncologist said we will do oncotype testing to determine whether chemo is advised.  However, I had a consultation with a radiation oncologist (different than the one I am using) and she thought I definitely should have chemo based on my age (41) and the intramammary node being positive. 

    What did you decide to do about chemo?  And how did you decide?

  • jrgolomb
    jrgolomb Member Posts: 1,236
    edited November 2009

    Lisa-  Well, once they decided I had more than a little tumor and I had a definite positive node, they recommended chemo and they said so strongly.  I had three types of IDC- I still can't believe it's possible to have a different type.  Lisa, it was hard to have chemo, but I wanted to kill any and all cancerous cells.  My decision was made after I talked to two oncologists and a homeopathic expert about my options.  I think anytime there is a node positive, it is important to go after it so the cancer doesn't spread.

  • LouLou40
    LouLou40 Member Posts: 180
    edited November 2009

    I was dx in Feb with multifocal IDC aged 40, I discovered a lump myself (2cm)  on Mammo and ultrasound another 1.5cm tumor was discovered, not able to be felt. The tumors were close together, one 4cm from nipple one 1.5 cm from nipple in same quadrent so I had a lumpectomy and node clearance - 2 positive nodes. I am triple positive so I did Chemo ACx4, followed by 12 weekly taxol, Herceptin, 6 weeks of Rads and now on Arimidex as post menopausal from Chemo, may need ooph if hormone levels rise.

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