Starting Chemo in June 2005

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  • magsandmattsmom
    magsandmattsmom Member Posts: 424
    edited June 2005

    Sorry I shoulda been clearer. Yup I ate them as it was dripping. It helped some. Although I haven't tried eating them since! I also made sure to have lots of strong hard candy on hand during the days after chemo when my the metal taste in my mouth was the worse. Hope this helps.

  • LizFL
    LizFL Member Posts: 377
    edited June 2005
    Magsandmattsmom...I guess that would sure ruin your taste for the chips! Will stock up on some hard candy...thanks for the tip!

    Liz
  • LizFL
    LizFL Member Posts: 377
    edited June 2005
    Rene23...the photo in the locket idea sounds great! A real treasure to have!

    Liz
  • JoMac
    JoMac Member Posts: 192
    edited June 2005
    Good morning. I tried a new recipe for sleep that seemed to work better. I took .05 ativan at bed time and then 1/2 of a .05 ativan when I woke up at four.
    I got a better quality of sleep and wasn't up at 6 for a change so I will try that again tonight.
    Dana....your first chemo and mine sound exactly the same. It wasn't bad at all and as a matter of fact it was relaxing and I felt really good until later that night.
    I like how the technitions talk you through everyting. They say what they are doing and then right before you feel it they may say ..."you might feel a slight warmth here" and even before they finish the sentence ....you are feeling what they described.
    It is amazing how well they know this stuff. I find it comforting. It clearly not their first rodeo .

    Kim....I enjoyed your hair nub story. She had a lot of guts.
    Liz....thanks for the link to the quotes. I have some ancient calligraphy skills I can call forth today. I will keep it simple and I should be able to make a meaningful presentation . I have a basket...the books are coming....I ordered a candy box in the shape of a graduation hat from Sees candy and I will have peonies from my own garden for her.
    It should work out O.K.
    I do have a hair question. Everyone says it will fall out on the 14th or 18th day after your first chemo. this will be a week from now. I was planning on shaving it this weekend when I feel physically and emotionally well instead of waiting until after my next chemo when I will not be doing as well.
    In other words....should I wait until it starts falling out (when I will probably feel kind of lousy and sad) or be proactive and just do it when I feel well and have time to get used to it.
    Friends and family are giving me mixed opinions.
    so what would you do?
    I had one other food question.....I am finding heartburn a pretty common companion in the last couple of days. Is this the chemo effect or is it the delicious rigatoni a friend kindly delivered.?
  • magsandmattsmom
    magsandmattsmom Member Posts: 424
    edited June 2005

    JoMac - as for shaving your head. You should do what is right and comfortable for you. Yes friends want to help but they might be uncomfortable at the thought of you losing your hair and that might be changing their answer to you. Mine started on day 14 with running my fingers through my hair and tons falling out. I believe this was a Thursday. I shaved in on Sunday. Mainly because I was getting very bald spots AND I couldn't shower anymore! I was taking a bath by the end of the shower! Good luck and again - do what makes you comfortable. After all, it's happening to you.

  • kimBe
    kimBe Member Posts: 101
    edited June 2005
    JoMac-you and I are on the same schedule-so here is what I am planning on doing-waiting probably til next weekend-Chemo on the 16th and see how it goes. I see your point about feeling good, but am thinking if I have plans to deal with my hair I won't loose it, so am just going to wait. I do have thick-thick hair and have lost a lot my entire adult life but don't seem to notice any decrease-but will keep you posted...am at work so this is short-talk to you tonight.
    KimB
  • NancyM
    NancyM Member Posts: 289
    edited June 2005
    It looks like I'll be starting AC + T next Tuesday. My oncologist doesn't want to do dose dense as I've had my spleen out and that will increase my chance of having a serious infection during treatment. So, I'm looking way down the calendar before I'm done!

    I'm still going to see oncologist #2 this afternoon to get the second opinion, just in case there is something else I should know. Onc #1 doesn't see the need for an echocardiogram or MUGA, so that is kind of scary! I thought they would like a baseline, at least.

    She told me that the computer progrosis shows a 34% chance of recurrance after the chemo. Yikes...I know, I know, don't look at the statistics....but I sat in my car and cried for about 45 seconds, and then realized I was messing up my mascara. If onc #2 confirms this info, I just might go ahead and sob for 2 whole minutes. Then I'll go for one last tequila sunrise (hmm...gin and tonic sounds good, too) then I will hold my head up high and say "let's do this!"

    Thanks to everyone here that is always willing to listen!
    Nancy
  • JoMac
    JoMac Member Posts: 192
    edited June 2005
    Nancy.....I am trying to not be affected by the reoccurance statistics. I sort of hear the information and then in my own mind say "O.K. but that's not me" .
    I know this is pure denial on my part but it makes me happier.
    I actually have my own weird theory about how this cancer is going to save my life.
    My grandmother died at 52 of uterine cancer. I never met her. She is always referred to as a lovely lady who was never well.
    Anyway I am convinced that if I didn't get this "do-able" cancer I would have ended up with a more difficult cancer later.
    This one was detected and can be treated.
    I know it is a lot of rationalization here and maybe I will turn out to be totally wrong but each day I say "This cancer is going to save my life" and it makes me feel better.
    After all the outcome will be the same no matter what me interior voice says.
    Let us know about the second opinion.
  • danahollis
    danahollis Member Posts: 161
    edited June 2005
    Nancy... good luck with the second opinion! I'll be thingking of you... as usual!

    Really... try not to think about those recurrace stats. If you must think of them... focus on the 66% chance (or whatever) that it WON'T come back! Ok??? Hey! Someone's gotta be in that category... might as well be you! (P.S> - I think I would get clarification about that MUGA... I thought it was needed for a baseline also. But one more thing, the oncology fellow that is working with my oncologit said that they usually are more concerned with heart toxicity when you get in the range of 6-8 or more cycles of the Adriamycin... so the 4 cycle range is thought to be pretty safe and not too much of a factor.)

    I also see this as just sort of biding time until they develop even better drugs or even better.... FIND A CURE! The more time we have while our treatments are working... the better of we are in the long run and the more hope we have for our future. Catch what I mean?

    I think the key is too keep this nasty cancer in check... not let it get a better grip on us and just keep on keepin on!!!

    Oh... I just got back from getting my Neulasta shot. My neighbor and her daughter took me. As is my usual MO... I needed my hand held! I was scared it would hurt as they said it might burn a little... well, if it burned a little I didn't notice! It was very quick and no big deal at all! Not worth an ounce of worry!

    I'm still feeling fine after my chemo yesterday. Had a slight headache, but still nothing major. I've had many worse headaches in my life! So all in all... I am amazingly shocked that this has been no big deal yet. If I hadn't had that little spell where I felt the nasal burning, etc... I would have thought that they were just giving me saline and tricking me!

    Junies, keep us posted on how things are going so we can all hold cyber hands through this!

    Take care... and hugs to you all!
  • danahollis
    danahollis Member Posts: 161
    edited June 2005
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    I sort of hear the information and then in my own mind say "O.K. but that's not me" . I know this is pure denial on my part but it makes me happier.





    No way is that denial. You're just seeing the big picture. The truth is that many MORE people fall into the better part of the statistic. Ya know? Sometimes though we just have a hard time remembering that. Good for you for finding meaning in all this... I think it's a life altering event and it would be sad if you didn't walk away with some greater understanding of life. I think that's what life is all about. It gives life perspective!

    Yeah... my friends tease me about my motivational ways! LOL! I just can't help myself!

    Once again... take care ladies!
  • Analemma
    Analemma Member Posts: 1,622
    edited June 2005
    Rene, I also am worried about my brows. I think a wig will look natural enough - but drawn-on eyebrows? I just hate makeup at all, and can't imagine doing this regularly. But with dark hair and brows, I guess I'll have to do something. I wear glasses, right now they're rimless. I was thinking I should just get some real heavy black frames and tinted lenses.
    Brenda
  • LizFL
    LizFL Member Posts: 377
    edited June 2005
    Nancy..enjoy that drink and don't even think about the statistics. There is no way of knowing how things will turn out, so no point in wasting time thinking about the bad possibilities. We are all scared, but we can and will come out of this.

    Isn't it kind of funny that when we are not worrying about longevity we are worrying about how our hair, boobs, etc. look. I have dark brows and don't wear much makeup and was trying to think of ways to do my brows! Hoping to get some tips at the Look Good Feel Better class.

    Dana...thanks so much for taking the time to give us a good idea of what is going on...sure is making me feel prepared!

    Liz
  • Poppy
    Poppy Member Posts: 405
    edited June 2005
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    Rene, I also am worried about my brows. I think a wig will look natural enough - but drawn-on eyebrows?




    Brenda, I'm probably going to be starting chemo in July but I'm sneaking in here b/c I've been thinking about this too. There is a link on this site and the place sells fake brows and lashes. I think Ed Begley Jr. on Arrested Fevelopment with his brows all over his face but they must work fairly well. I think I'm going to get some and try. I'd never be able to draw them on and with the NC summer looming they'd wash right dowm my face from the sweat. Just an option!

    Erica
  • kimBe
    kimBe Member Posts: 101
    edited June 2005
    What a busy day ladies-thought I'd pop on quick-"chips and drips", "eyebrows and boobs" and wonderful ideas for JoMac's daughter (promise this week end I will think of some ideas for you!). I had not even thought about eyebrows until I went to Look Good/Feel Better-and the gal showed me how to do them and there are step-by-step directions of how to "feather" them on----I am thinking with my abilities I may be better off finding some new prescription glasses-my lenses in the rims/nose/brows that you can buy at Party Universe. Better go-did not get my laundry done last night....what a great day everyone seemed to have! I had the possibility of having chemo weekly-and today am actually thankful I have a week in between.
    Talk to you tomorrow....have a great weekend!
    KimB
  • NancyM
    NancyM Member Posts: 289
    edited June 2005
    Thanks so much for listening to me, you neat ladies! I guess I'm kind of obsessive-compulsive when it comes to the statistics. I had been having a hard time making the chemo decision - side effects of treatment vs. chance of future cancer. Well, Onc #2 laid it right on the line and said I have a high risk of recurrance, and he wants to do the dose dense AC+T with growth factor to keep the blood cells a'growing. He will watch me for infections but said we are really at more risk from our own "friendly" bacteria getting out of control. So for him the lack of a spleen is not as important as giving me a better (25%) chance of recurrance. He said the severe side effects are only about 1% overall, so I feel much less nervous about this now.

    Onc. #2 explained things to me in much more detail - he had my stats memorized! He has a larger nursing staff and they offer a chemo class. And, last but not least, he had a much nicer chemo room. So I'm going with this guy and so I'll start treatment next Wednesday. And I promise not to go "statistic" any more!

    You ladies talking about the eyebrows made me remember what my sister told me when I got my diagnosis: she is going to draw "Uncle Leo" brows on me...do you remember the Seinfeld episode where the package blew up in Uncle Leo's face and he had no brows...Elaine drew huge black brows on him...I hope you all have seen that one!

    Have a good day, Junies!
  • LizFL
    LizFL Member Posts: 377
    edited June 2005
    Nancy..so glad you are feeling better and that onc # 2 was so helpful. My surgeon was very difficult to communicate with and now the onc seems like a chatterbox compared to him! Had my PET/CT scan today but they had to put off my MUGA until Monday. Wednesday is port insertion day. What a life

    Has anyone tried those temporary brow tatoos that wash off with water. I don't think the glued on ones would work for me. Once I tried glue on nails and glued my fingers together. I can just picture going to work with my finger stuck to my brow.

    I just checked with my insurance company and they do reimburse the cost of wigs. Anyone not aware of that may want to check their insurance coverage.

    I know Dana gave a good description of her port insertion experience, but wouldn't mind hearing others!

    Hugs to all,
    Liz
  • JoMac
    JoMac Member Posts: 192
    edited June 2005
    HI Liz,
    My port experience was a good one. By the time I had it put in I had two previous surgerys. One small and the other larger so I was not really looking foward to the operating room again.
    It was quick and easy. They put me out and when I woke up it was in. I slept when I got home and except for some minor (and I do mean minor) muscle adjustments for sleeping with it ..everything has gone fine.
    I am not a brave woman and I am telling you the truth here. I was at a low ebb and the port was no big deal.
    You will not have any trouble with it. Each week I have it I get more used to it.
    Nancy it sounds like Dr. number 2 is going to work with you. He sounds like he is looking out for your long term interests. Good for you getting the second opinion. It must have been exhausting to do that on top of everythng else.
    My daughters film books came today. I wrapped them and begin the process of assebling a gift basket. I still have much more to do.
    My second Chemo is coming up this Weds. I am finding myself with a steady heartburn . Luckily Milk of Magnesia seems to cool the burn.
    It doesn't seem to matter what I eat the burn just persists.
    We were without power because of hail storms for hours yesterday afternoon and evening.
    I was at a loss because I couldn't use my usual distractions to keep my spirits up.
    It also made the night time really really long.
    sigh......
  • JoMac
    JoMac Member Posts: 192
    edited June 2005
    HI Poppy,
    welcome. I will be shaving my head this weekend so I am sure that as soon as I do that I will value my eyebrows to a higher degree.
    Everything is relative to something else isn't it?
    eyebrows! I never gave them a second thought before and now as my teenager would say ...I "heart" my eyebrows.

    We have a woman who runs a wig business here who sells the eyebrows and of course the eyelashes too.
    I have always been hopeless with make up or any hair styling.
    I doubt I will magically get some skills in those areas now.
    I am lucky that my husband couldn't care less.
    I never realized that I would appreciate the fact that he never has seemed to notice my appearance (or lack of it). Once he asked if I was wearing a new skirt and it must have been five years old.

    I know if it was happening to him I wouldn't care. I would just be so glad to still have him with me. I think that is what he must be thinking too.
    I do think my daughter is going to have a much harder time with it.
    My husband says I shouldn't worry and that her teenage self centeredness (is that a word) will protect her.
  • sungem77
    sungem77 Member Posts: 3
    edited June 2005
    i start chemo on tuesday. i'll be doing FECx3 every 3 weeks followed by taxotere. same 3x3 . i feel kind of unsure becasue almost everyone i know of is doinf AC/T
    anyone else doing the FEC?

    sally
  • LizFL
    LizFL Member Posts: 377
    edited June 2005
    Thanks JoMac...just what I wanted to hear I was more concerned how it would feel afterwards...and you have calmed my fears. Does it require any special care...cleaning, etc? How high do they put it...just wondering if it will show. I should have asked the doctor these questions, but wasn't thinking that far ahead.

    Glad you have the basket to keep you busy ... but that power outtage does not sound like fun. I live in Florida and with all the hurricanes last year...did not like the times we were without power. I was going through a different kind of stressful situation at that time and it made things worse. We were very lucky to have minimal damage and not be without power for very long. Lots of people had no power for weeks!

    Your husband sounds like mine. If I have a new outfit I'll ask him if he notices anything different...and he always answers "I hate that question". He has also asked me if something was new when I've had it for quite a while!

    Liz
  • LizFL
    LizFL Member Posts: 377
    edited June 2005
    Sungem...hopefully someone will post with info on FEC. You might try a search on the topic to see what comes up or post it as a separate question on the treatment board. I wish I knew enough to answer you, but I don't!

    Hugs,
    Liz
  • kimBe
    kimBe Member Posts: 101
    edited June 2005
    Getting the port put in was no big deal-I am the type who has "2 sticks" per tech and often have 3 or so techs try so welcomed the port. Had it in a week ago yesterday and looked at it in the mirror so I could tell you-if you wore a narrow tank top you could see it-just a tiny scar and a little swollen area (actually when I looked I thought-looks like an 11 year old girl growing a breast in the wrong site) mine is on the right-but would be about where you put your hand over your heart for the US flag. Had a CBC done yesterday-and my neutraphils were very low so have to take levequan(sp?)for 7 days....up until then I felt great today-then suddenly tired and not up to par....
    KimB
  • LizFL
    LizFL Member Posts: 377
    edited June 2005
    Kim...thanks for your help. Now that's one less thing to worry about! Hope you feel better and get some rest.

    Hugs,
    Liz
  • Fi_in_oz
    Fi_in_oz Member Posts: 49
    edited June 2005
    Joining in,

    I start chemo on the 16th of June, am going for every three weeks to start with, as oncologist thinks it would be better on my 9 year old but we might up it to every 2 weeks if I handle it well. Am looking at slipping the radio therapy in between the A/C and the T, so that I'm home over xmas and new year, I have to travel approx 6 hours away for radio and the traffic would be hellish over the break not to mention not being with my family.

    As a single mum I'm finding some moments rather challenging, but its more from not having that special someone to give me a soul warming hug than anything else, my solution has been to go to town a fair bit and interact ( I live in a small rural area so will always run into someone I know), being social is a compromise and keeps me smiling.

    Its great to be no longer living hour to hour and be onto day by day ..soon it will be week by week.. month by month.. right.

    best wishes to all..

    Fi
  • LizFL
    LizFL Member Posts: 377
    edited June 2005
    Welcome to the June group Fi. Sounds like you are doing a great job...taking the steps to interact with people. I like what you said about taking it week by week now instead of hour by hour and day by day. It does feel better to have a plan and schedule in place.

    I'm sure it isn't easy for you being a single Mom...oops mum, but you are not alone. The women on this board are so helpful. I was a single mom at one time and know how hard it can be even without having to deal with BC. Wish we were all there to give you a big hug.

    Liz
  • JoMac
    JoMac Member Posts: 192
    edited June 2005
    Liz, I have done nothing with the port. Two days after it was put in they had me come into the office to have it flushed. I thought that sounded dreadful but I felt nothing when they did it.
    The port is on the opposite side of where the cancer was found. It can be hidden by a tank top and is as small an opening as a regular circular bandaid will fit over.
    I thought it would be an open hole with a spout like a tea cup.
    It is not noticable at all.
    Fi....
    I wondered if they have caner coaches where you are located.
    My oncologist has one in his office. She comes to everyone of my chemo therapy appointments.
    It is provided as a free service.
    we have met in her office and also talk on the phone on an as needed basis.
    She is an amazing woman. She is my age. Her husband developed a rare blood cancer seven years ago. He died within the year.
    She then developed the same cancer and has survived for over five years.
    She has had extensive treatment. You would never know it. She looks great, and is a wonderful role model.
    Whenever I think I can't do this I remember what she has been through.
  • LizFL
    LizFL Member Posts: 377
    edited June 2005
    JoMac...I pictured a tube poking out of my chest. Glad to know it's nothing like I imagined.

    When I had my PET scan yesterday they gave me a CD for my records. Like a true idiot I had to look at it rather than wait until I see the doctor, even though I psyched myself up not to worry. Since I am not a radiologist, I do not know why I decided to do this. At least my first reaction...(thinking there was a very large tumor...which after research is actually my heart) was wrong. I now am in a panic that the cancer has spread. Just took a Xanax and will call the doctor on Monday. Also researched the small basal cell skin carcinoma under my eye and didn't like that info either. I think I will stop doing any research for the weekend and just concentrate on positive stuff. Of course the weather is miserable here...lots of rain, hot and humid.

    Sorry to complain, but I'm feeling a bit down right now...sure it will be better once the Xanax kicks in.

    Liz
  • JoMac
    JoMac Member Posts: 192
    edited June 2005
    Liz..I really think they would have called you if they saw something really scary on the CD before giving it to you.
    Really...they would have.
    Don't worry ......not hearing from them right away is probably a good thing.
    I know you won't really be able to accept this until they tell you in person on Monday.
    But believe me .......it is O.K.
    In the meantime enjoy the xanax.
  • LizFL
    LizFL Member Posts: 377
    edited June 2005
    JoMac...I have calmed down a bit (I wish I had known about Xanax years ago!). Rainy, yucky weather here so I'm going to keep busy by curling up on the couch with a good book!
    Thanks for the comforting advice.

    Liz
  • JoMac
    JoMac Member Posts: 192
    edited June 2005
    I have been thinking about you today.
    I hope you can concentrate enough to read.
    I watched a lot of BBC comedy's during my diagnosis period. I bought a series of DVD collections so I would have control over what I watched and when I watched it.
    It was very hot here today. My husband went out and got us an air conditioner for the bedroom. As the British say BRILLIANT!
    That will make sleeping so much easier tonight.
    Talk to you tomorrow.
    Jo

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