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BUBs unite!
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I'd better write it on my calendar before my chemo brain forgets!
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Hi, Just found this post. Would love to attend. Is anyone coming from Durham Region? I am celebrating my third year Breast Cancer Free. Am running the C.I.B.C. run for the cure and wrote a song for the run. Have a listen. www.myspace.com/kathytmcnally
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Is it 2:00 or 12:00? There seems to be some confusion about time.
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I think it's 2:00 for coffee and dessert.
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That is what I thought.
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Wow, when did we get to just coffee and desert?
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Hey Pretty, thanks for the invite....it sounds like fun! I'll be there with a flat chest, upholstered with purchased silicone stuffing, which hopefully will help me to blend right in. If anyone needs an extra set of chestal equipment, I can bring a set along, from my skinny post-chemo days.
I was walking to work this morning (downtown Toronto) and saw a bus gassing up: a free bus to the fabulous Vaugham Mills shopping mall. I was thinking....hm...I should *do* that sometime. What a co-incident!
It will be nice to meet all you trouble-making rabble-rousers.
Cheers,
K
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Katalin, We are, without a doubt, a group of trouble-making rabble-rousers and wouldn't have it any other way!!! We are meeting at 2 pm at Canyon Creek restaurante - and it looks like some people will be ordering lunch and some just dessert. There are no rules.
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Phew. That's a relief. I thought I was going to *have* to eat dessert!
Is shopping allowed? Oh right, no rules! I'm starting to like this! -
Gee, are we really trouble makers? Sounds like my teenage years. By the way, is ordering such various items from the menu allowed in our socialist country?? Oops, there I go again!
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PiP; Troublemaker indeed!!!

OT but apropos: Isn't it a shame that our neighbour never thinks twice about its citizens paying for a war that is costing billions, but has a real problem caring for the health of those same citizens. And as for the last two posts over there: I thought it was the previous government that stomped all over the Constitution. Hmmmmmm.......That thread is really turning political, I'm afraid. Too bad, it was such an interesting discussion.
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I would have loved to hear from a wide variety of other countries, who may have a better system than us. I didn't see any comments from all those other communist countries in Europe: Norway, Sweden, Germany, and others (though I couldn't read the whole thread because it was too upsetting). Yes, there's a lot of angry people on that thread. I'm just happy to be in our "socialist" I mean communist country. What I don't understand over there is how they don't see that you pay for it one way or another. Either you share the cost, or you make your mother or sister or brother or father, or son or daughter bankrupt themselves, in the name of freedom. I don't understand. Looking forward to having the freedom to order what I want for dessert, without the dang gov't getting involved!
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Yes, I just don't understand their math. Taxes or premiums? Job benefit or more real pay? No wonder they are in such a financial and medical crisis.
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I think that other thread points to one of the fundamental cultural differences between us and our neighbour to the south. I am so grateful to be living here where, while we don't have it perfected, we still do judge our society by how we treat our most vulnerable. I think we are a more tolerant society overall. I agree with Lindasa. They have spent billions on a war and none of them mentioned that the war is the real cause of their financial burden. They also took offense when Canadians or others spoke positively about their own system and didn't even believe us. I would also have liked to hear more from women in countries like France and Sweden. The political discussion made the thread uncomfortable so I read it but seldom posted.
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I'm grateful too, to be here. But I get a bit humble when I realize that we're all in the same boat, in many ways, and many of them wish there was another way. We may be getting a skewed reaction, that the most vocal are the most conservative For some, that constitution is part of their DNA, (maybe literally!)....In the same way, we feel passionately about our health care system...we really do. What I don't understand is: that some of them have just been touched by this terrible disease, and they still don't see how horrible it is for some of their sisters to be financially devastated on top of the physical devastation.
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I am trying to understand their fear. I don't get a lot of their math or their reasoning. But I just can't wrap my brain around the fact that there really doesn't seem to be a lot of empathy for those who are desperate for help. Especially from the Christian right wing women.
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I think it boils down to a couple of things:
1. A fervent belief in a free, non-regulated market economy, regardless of how it actually impacts society as a whole.
2. A continuing fear of socialism as a result of past American/Soviet mutual hatred and competition, as well as McCarthyism.
Many forward-thinking people are well over those fears, but others aren't, just as racism continues 150 years after the Civil War. And now they're fearing Hispanics.
Many, IMO, are very inward-looking. Those are the ones who don't learn about the rest of the world in school, they don't travel outside the country very much (think George Bush!!), and they are indoctrinated at an early age (and throughout their school years) that the American way is the right -- and only -- way. Thus anything from other countries is automatically suspect.
The U.S. continues to believe it should be the world's "manager" -- hence its humungous defence (offence?!!) budget. If only some of that money would be put toward providing healthcare....... I actually think that is the real reason every other first world country can afford universal healthcare -- considering that the UK has been heavily involved in Bush's Iraq war, it's now having to put the brakes on some of its NHS services.
Just my (late night) thoughts!
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Ooooo, you guys! Go over and see what I posted this morning! I am so going to get $hit-kicked, but I am SO sick of their whining!
'm I bad?

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Barbe, are you KRAZY???? Oh boy, it's like poking the Beast with a pointed stick!
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WooHoo Barbe! You calls 'em as you sees 'em
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Hi Ladies, I don't come here very often anymore but would love to join you on August 9th. I live in Oakville if anyone from this area (Burlington, Oakville, Mississauga) wants to go but doesn't have a ride.
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I would love to meet you BMac! See you there.
Barbe, you mentioned the "war"???!! This should make for some great reading tonight. You know who will have another lengthy article to tell us how necessary their war was. We did have a good conversation going about international health care at one point...didn't we?
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Thanks PIP, I look forward to meeting you too. I feel kinda out of it not being here much anymore so I really appreciate the comment.
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Hey, BMac, glad you will join us on August 9
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Hey PIP they didn't bite! I'm really surprised! I've been looking over my shoulder all day. Do you think they're forming a secret attack?????
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I was waiting for it too...You are such a rabble-rouser, Barbe!
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Hmmmm...could it be that they have NO DEFENCE?????
But wait, one of them loves to come up with faux facts.....thank goodness we have Beesie the researcher par excellence to set them straight!
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I can't think of anything that will break through to them. I suspect the last post saying that those against reform are the ones who have good coverage and aren't afraid of losing it. I bet they would change their minds pretty quickly if they were on the other side of the fence!
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