Facing the Future

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  • dreamwriter
    dreamwriter Member Posts: 3,255
    edited May 2009

    Yes but I cry when he vents and then he feels like a heel.

  • footprintsangel
    footprintsangel Member Posts: 43,890
    edited May 2009

    Dreamwriter, Alot of my friends got scared when I started chemo too.

    I wish I had found help before surgery. But I did not think people are

    scared to go in the cancer clinic too. I'm not understanding why people

    are scared of cancer. I will be praying for your person alone. That God will

    give him peace.

  • saint
    saint Member Posts: 1,877
    edited May 2009

    goils rule/men drool......

  • footprintsangel
    footprintsangel Member Posts: 43,890
    edited June 2009

    Every day I have thoughts of the unknown, is that normal when you have been threw

    so much with cancer and tests, Thanks.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2009

    Hi Foots. I think it is very normal so don't beat yourself up because of it.  Interestingly, I didn't start to think about the unknown (as far as bc and recurrence, etc) until after I completed rads.  But we know who is in control and so that's what matters.

    {{{{{H U G S }}}}}

  • EWB
    EWB Member Posts: 2,927
    edited June 2009

    I think its really normal and to be expected. Try not to be weighed down too much by it though, spending too much time thinking of/worrying about the future and unknows means losing time for enjoying today and all it has to offer.

    Hugs Foot

  • LynnW
    LynnW Member Posts: 191
    edited June 2009

    I finally encouraged my husband to go with his son and visit his family in Quebec last weekend.I wanted him to find support from his mom or his brothers etc.

    He came home saying he had a good time playing baseball and pool etc but he missed me. I had to drag out of him that everyone was asking how I was.  I knew he was keeping something to himself.  Later I asked if he at least talked to his mom for support because he needs it from someone. He said everyone has great respect for me because i keep trudging on and breeding my ragdoll cats and doing household projects ect.  He said he was their as more of support for them than for himself. Telling all of them I was doing so well.

    I went up stairs to watch tv and tuck myself in so I could drift off to sleep but then  I started crying. I wanted him to go to Quebec to get support from his family so he could let it out and face the inevitable....., but he was his usual perky self and tried to ease everyone elses worries and fears. I can picture his mother crying about it and him having to console her.  Either that or he's lieing to protect my feelings. I don't want him to lose it and break down. He cries in front of me when we talk about the loss ect... but i worry that when I'm gone he'll withdraw and bottle it up and I don't think thats healthy. I'm the only friend he has and the only one he talks too.  Oh well so much for my Dr. Phil strategy. lol   I've learned I have to stop trying to control everything including how people deal with this.

    huggs lynn

  • Fitztwins
    Fitztwins Member Posts: 7,969
    edited June 2009

    We do spend more time consoling others and it sucks.

  • dreamwriter
    dreamwriter Member Posts: 3,255
    edited June 2009

    Is there a pastor or someone he'd have a beer with???  You cant change his personality and I bet people have been leaning on him since his teens.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2009

    LynnW, I feel your hurt for your husband.  Isn't it just like us to still try and support others despite our own needs.  Your husband is lucky to have you.  Is there any possibility that, one last attempt at "control", you might be able to share your fears with his son and/or his brothers?  Get them to reach out to him.  We know men can be clueless and he may need another man to talk it out but they won't know if he won't open up. 

  • footprintsangel
    footprintsangel Member Posts: 43,890
    edited June 2009

    Hi Lynn, When I was alone and found out about my cancer, I started writing down10

    good things in a notebook and in the back write out all the things that where upsetting

    my, When I closed the notebook, I gave it to God. It did help my threw and still does.

    I have been going out in my wheelchair every morning to help me not think about all

    the battles. God bless You and your husband.

    Dear Lord, Bless this couple with comfort and Your guiding hand. Amen

  • saint
    saint Member Posts: 1,877
    edited June 2009

    HUGE hugs LynnW---and here's my story:
    I am my dh's best friend--which means he doesn't have a man bf. Tho he has lots of men friends, few if any of them TALK about "your wife is gonna die"  I think they just get together to play poker & forget the realities of their respective lives.

    I have worried & planned & prayed & thought about "after I'm gone" & how he'll sit in this huge old house & rot----I considered: when SHOULD I die? I thought--not while the kids are in HS! Too young! Then I thought, but if they are in college that would mean everyone would be away & alone! The longer I considered this the more upset I got........then I prayed. I have come to the realization that no matter how much I work at it, I DO NOT know the best plan for them after I am gone! The grace is in the prayer answered--I have let this go & no longer feel it is my resposibility to get things set up for this scenario-------big hugs----this journey sure does suck sometimes!

  • Genia
    Genia Member Posts: 1,335
    edited June 2009

    Saint.....you are an amazing woman!!!    I am humbled when I come to this thread by all of you ladies......you have so much courage and determination.  

    God bless you all......and lotsa hugs too

    Genia

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2009

    Saint, I ditto Genia's thoughts - you are amazing as are all of you.

    Blessings.

  • dreamwriter
    dreamwriter Member Posts: 3,255
    edited June 2009

    Genia and Patoo, dont sell yourself short.  You too have these attributes.... you recognize them in others because they resonate with your own amazing attributes.

  • Genia
    Genia Member Posts: 1,335
    edited June 2009

    Thank you Dream.....I needed to hear that!  Cause many days I don't wanna do this anymore.

    hugsssss

  • dreamwriter
    dreamwriter Member Posts: 3,255
    edited June 2009

    I know that feeling well.  But we are not ready yet and sweetie, people are counting on us to live on... just in case that cure is right around the corner.....

  • Analemma
    Analemma Member Posts: 1,622
    edited June 2009

    My husband tells me often that I spend too much time worrying about him, how he will cope after I'm dead.  Over the past year we have learned to talk about it in casual conversation, even how I can't die until I teach him to make biscuits.  This spring he said I had to teach him which were weeds and which were flowers if I expected him to keep my gardens after I die.  He is lucky that our grown sons live nearby, but he thinks they will try to tell him what to do after I'm gone!  I guess he thinks that if I'm not here to tell him what to do, the kids will assume he's incompetent.  I'm gradually coming to the realization that it will never be the right time to die (spring?  there's plenty to do.  summer?  will he bother to plant tomatoes?  fall?  beautiful, but death in the air.... winter? depressing all around, will he drink too much because he's inside?)  And I don't have any control anyway.  But people have been doing this for a long, long time, and those who remain almost always pick up the pieces and keep on living.  They're all going to be ok.

  • footprintsangel
    footprintsangel Member Posts: 43,890
    edited June 2009

    People ask me alot about my house, the land and who gets it and on and on.....I just tell them to wait and find out, Everyone is more worried about the bills then me, I am also going to look for

    more help to keep the house up and things, My family and church doesn't do alot cause they rely

    on each other to help. Dreamwriter I love your idea, it really make me stop and think.

    God bless you all that are dealing with the unknown.

  • Fitztwins
    Fitztwins Member Posts: 7,969
    edited June 2009

    I agree with Saint. I have stopped worrying about how my family will survive without me. I know they will be just fine. 

    My goal is to give my children all the tools I can while I am alive to be a great human beings.

    My husband will find his way. I will have everything ready so that the days after my death will be eaiser...

    Funny,  I even toyed with the idea to find him a mate...That was stupid.

  • saint
    saint Member Posts: 1,877
    edited June 2009

    OMG, fitz--I DID THAT TOO! LOL

    Here's the thing: I think there are all kinds of issues we need to try to process in order to learn what we need to know & move on! I have been walking the mets walk for over 5 years now, so I consider myself a slow-learner! But we HAVE to think about these things & process b4 we can really see the truth in them! It is a natural progression from control freak to wise earth mother---we are just doing our damnedest to get it all done in lightening speed cuz we fear we don't have the time to let it happen naturally!

    When I was first dx'd with mets I kept trying to "grow my kids up" too fast--like I wouldn't be here to do it when they needed it so I was mothering them to death & stuffing them full of stuff----my sis & a friend understood & told me I had to stop it! I was PO'd, but knew in my gut they were right.........so each little lesson brings me closer to the faith that it will all be as it should in the end..I have so much more peace in the grace of acceptance......that is a big one!

    TIme time time.......

    Be well & stay strong 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2009

    You ladies are so wise - you are all my heroes!

  • Analemma
    Analemma Member Posts: 1,622
    edited June 2009

    Fitz, I did it too!  When I was first dx, I started looking at all the single women at church.  I even spent some time on a local singles forum just to see what was "out there".   It didn't take me long to realize what a stupid thing I was doing, but I believe that probably more than half of us admit to some degree of looking to set up our poor despondent widowed husbands with a woman who will appreciate and care for them, all the time realizing that she could never take our place, because, I mean, who could?

  • pookie61
    pookie61 Member Posts: 257
    edited June 2009

    I have done this as well to some extent,  My husband and I have even talked about it a bit, until I realized that it was too upsetting for him.  Really my main concern is not my husband getting remarried, although I hope he does if that is his wish.  My concern is how that will affect my kids and their relationship with their dad.  I do not want my kids to think that they are being disloyal to me if they form a fantastic relationship with another mom figure.  I have even talked about this in their journals, and I plan to keep talking about it.   To me a mom figure in their lives, even tho it isn't me, is better than no mom figure. 

  • EWB
    EWB Member Posts: 2,927
    edited June 2009

    I suppose we all worry about husbands and children, its natural. I know my children and husband will be ok, I have taught them well the tools and skills they need to live on their own. I believe they will find their way and be happy with their choices...what ever they may be. I know that I will never be replaced as Mom, if dh remarries, I know she will be a special person because HE is a special person. She will not replace me, but will be a new person in their lives, with a different place in their heart. I just want them all to be happy and move on---whatever that means to them.

    Saint- love the wise earth mother. Life, and death, IS about lessons, small steps toward accepting, and knowing that all is as it should be. Rather like St Theresa's prayer...don't have it in front of me but it does say that we are exactly where we are meant to be. I'll try to find the whole prayer. I find it very comforting.

  • VickiG
    VickiG Member Posts: 536
    edited June 2009

    I told dh I want to pick out a new wife for him... the impt thing is that she deserves him & even more impt that she deserves my kids.  Have talked to my best friend about it & made her promise to keep him from doing anything stupid.  =)

    I had a fun-filled morning at the wound center today getting my chest treated where my skin mets are horrible, and then to the onc to get my Levanox (??) shot for my brand-spankin' new blood clot... on the way home dh & I passed a HUGE funeral procession.  I told him I do NOT want anything like that at all... that was about the end of the conversation, but it's out there.  Oh, and a very uncomfy moment w/ the doc at the wound center ~ he started talking about sending me to a plastic surgeon to do a skin graft from my back to replace the damaged skin on my chest... dh & I were sort of "er, ah, um, uh...." not sure what to say & then the doc asked dh "does she have mets anywhere else, or just the skin?" and dh told him "yes, many places" and you could see the doc's face fall.  He was all over himself apologizing for suggesting major surgery ~ almost had to feel sorry for him (he truly was wonderful to me, wasn't actually an oaf, just made a wrong assumption) but it was all I could do to not burst out into tears when the reality of it actually hit me... that I'm at the point where they are just trying to keep me going a while longer, not actually fix anything else.  It's been a bad week for me... my scans Tue sucked.  It has now gone all over my lungs, I have a lovely blood clot by my liver, all of the nodes that were already positive have grown, and all kinds of new ones now.  Also pleural effusion, altho they claim I wouldn't have symptoms from it yet... but I am soooo exhausted all the time I can't help but wonder if that's contributing to it?  It's so hard to be positive when I'm so exhausted & pitiful!

  • EWB
    EWB Member Posts: 2,927
    edited June 2009

    Gentle hugs for Vicki

  • Jane_M
    Jane_M Member Posts: 1,549
    edited June 2009

    Someone here directed me to a site called mywonderfullife.  I've gone and completed a major portion of my "book."  I've selected my "angels" in my mind, but I haven't sent their e-mail addresses to the site.  I'm, waiting until I'm closer to the end for that as to not upset everyone.  I did tell my pastor's daughter as there is a song I want her to play at my memorial service and I bought the sheet music for her to learn.  She is one of my "angels"  I told her that she had a long time to learn it.

    I've also thought about my husband's "next wife."  He has a friend he works with whose first wife died of breast cancer.  He remarried and his second wife is now a 5 year survivor.  I asked my DH if he thought Tim loved Joanie as much he loved his first wife.  He said that he imagined he did.  That really bothers me.  I don't want my husband to love someone else as much as he loved me (or at least as much as he says he loves me).  Is it wrong to think this way? I actually think he will end up with one of his co-workers who also lives around the corner from us.  She's a great lady and would make a great companion for him.  I don't think either of them have thought about it, but I think it will just follow its course after I'm gone.

  • dreamwriter
    dreamwriter Member Posts: 3,255
    edited June 2009

    I discussed with my husband about remarriage.  He said he will never remarry.  I said what about sex... seeing as he is not getting any now.... and he said he does not need to be married to  have sex.  Good point.  But not the one I was expecting.  He said that our marriage of 25 yrs could not compare to another relationship.  He would always thinking, at five yrs we were parents.  At 10 yrs we were coaches, at 16 yrs we were helping run the baseball league (in our own little thankless way).  At 20 yrs we were preparing to become grandparents.  At 25 yrs we are looking at our adult children with pride.  One going the distance education wise and the other a wonderful mother.  Who could ever stand beside him and know that that history made this man who he is.

    I personally think that there is another wonderful woman out there.  But he will be too scared of losing someone he loves to even allow the relationship to happen.  She will have to have long talons of love to get past that.

    Oh I blathering again, why didnt you stop me.

  • footprintsangel
    footprintsangel Member Posts: 43,890
    edited June 2009

    I never got married cause I was busy taking care of my family

    fighting cancer. Alot of my boyfriends didnt want to deal with

    cancer and we broke up. I have alot of male friends, but at 55

    I want to enjoy life when I can. Hi Vicki, I will be praying for you, Debbie

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