Facing the Future

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  • Analemma
    Analemma Member Posts: 1,622
    edited May 2009

    Jane, absolutely not offensive!  I would like to die at home, but I don't want to be in pain.  And if I have to be in pain in order to die at home, I'll take the easy way out, in the hospital, with morphine, thank you very much. And I see nothing wrong with "hastening" the inevitable, at the point where we're talking hours, not weeks.

    I have to look at what I'm writing and think how ironic - I had my four children at home with nothing for pain, but i'm just not interested in "experiencing" death as I was giving birth.  And I don't want my family to feel my pain by association, either.

  • saint
    saint Member Posts: 1,877
    edited May 2009

    HUGS ALL--agreed Brenda! I am not afraid of dying, but I don't like to think of the way it will happen or how long it will take. I have repeatedly told my loved ones if I die suddenly (like in a car accident) not to take it too hard cuz I would prefer that to what is more likely to happen!

    Talked to Dream tonight--she is doing well-stil not sure when she will be released. As for moi: Visit to rads doc is "inconclusive" for tx! I want him to PROVE to me that rads is the only tx so he put me on steroids (oh joy , oh rapture!) IF they control the pain he feels that is proof that I have a tumor in my back that is compressing a nerve. I guess that is preferable to  having a hip replacement which was one of the possibilities.....I will keep you posted!

    HUGS - be well & stay strong 

  • LisaSDCA
    LisaSDCA Member Posts: 2,230
    edited May 2009

    Jane ~ I appreciate your thoughtful posting. I wish to die at home and I've let loved ones know I plan to slip away before anything excruciating occurs. That is not what I choose and the fool man who somehow thinks suffering has anything to do with his religion can go take a flying f.... er, leap! I learned easily how to adjust my sister's automatic dispenser through her mediport - I'll do the same if necessary.

    I've also got a stash.Cool

    Saint - if you've got a tumor in your back it certainly is being elusive! Not wanting to second guess your Rads guy but steroids will prove nothing. One of their primary functions is to control inflammatory response. You could have a regular bulging disc or irritated nerve root and it will 'cure' it.

    Lisa

  • jeanne46
    jeanne46 Member Posts: 1,941
    edited May 2009

    Jane - your story was very inspiring.  Thank God your SIL had you as an advocate and that you were able to fire the doc and get her some pain relief.  There is no reason on earth that someone should have to suffer from pain.  I hope and pray I will have a fierce advocate for me when the time comes.  Your SIL's doc should be forced to watch a family member in pain at the end of life. Maybe he will rethink his position after that.  Pain relief should have nothing to do with religion.  I hope I haven't offended anyone.

  • EWB
    EWB Member Posts: 2,927
    edited May 2009

    Jane, I am so sorry. My prayers are with you and your family.

    Gentle hugs

  • OneBadBoob
    OneBadBoob Member Posts: 1,386
    edited May 2009

    Thank you for all of your kind words.  While we are all aching and missing her, knowing she is out of pain and finished with her suffering makes us happy for her, and sad for all of us who will so miss her.  Several days before she passed, she said she heard Morris (her deceased husband) calling for her, but she was not ready yet.  I think they had one of the most beautiful marriages I have ever enountered, and were into ballroom dancing--and everytime I get that pain of sadness, I think of them elegantly dancing together once again, in the Rainbow Room up in Heaven.

    Lisa, I too have a "stash"--I learned a whole lot when I was doing my own IV anti-biotics at home when I had Lyme Disease. 

    This was the second time I spent the last days with a loved one--I lost one of my best friends to this beast four years ago, but it was so different.  When no treatments were working anymore, she went home and had hospice. They were so so fabulous.  It was just before Christmas, one of her favorite holidays, and we set up her hospital bed in the dining room and put the Christmas tree in there. 

    She had no pain or discomfort whatsoever.  She had oral morphine, fentanyl patches and pops at the first sign of any disomfort.  Her two dogs curled up in her bed with her and snuggled, and she was surrounded by family and friends 24/7--we had a schedule so she was never alone and so her husband could take a break and get out for a few hours.  A few days before she passed, she promised to give me a sign that she was okay when she got to the otherside.

    She passed gently in her sleep just after New Years.

    My cocker just loved her and since she is a therapy dog we had gone to visit her in the hospital everyday,and they became very close. 

    Several days after she became an Angel, the doorbell rang at 3:00 am.  Usually my cocker goes crazy barking like a fool when the doorbell rings, anytime night or day.  But she got up and ran downstairs to the door, wagging her stubby tail at the door, so so happy.  I went downstairs, no one was there, and said is that Aunt Lib telling us she is okay?  Betsy just keep wagging and making happy sounds--I may be a little off, but I know that was Lib, giving me a sign that indeed, all was well on the other side and we need not worry about her.

    Remember, this is the dog that "bit" and "dug into" my boob producing a hematoma when the 8mm tumor did not show up on the mamo--well, thanks to her, I had a huge hematoma around that little beasty tumor which would have gone unrecognized until it became quite a big bigger and possibly spread! 

    I may have shared this before, but I guess I am in a very emotional mood, and I do find comfort in the Poem Lib wrote when the onc told her she would probably be gone soon:

    There's time for everything, it seems,

    But running barefoot with a friend,

    Collecting moments. . . . . .

    Fragile as wildflowers,

    To hold against reality,

    Left until tomorrow. . . or next year,

    Where will we be if,

    Turning to find each other,

    We find instead that we are out of touch. . . . . .

    And out of time.  

    Lizbeth R. Payene

    I guess especially since being diagnosed with breast cancer myself, I think of these words everyday--and remember to stay in touch, and tell all that I love that I love them everyday.

    God bless you all and hold you gently in His arms.

  • saint
    saint Member Posts: 1,877
    edited May 2009

    many hugs & thanx, bad--that poem is one of the prettiest I have ever read on tis site (& I am VERY  critical!) I might save it to use in my prayer cards for my own funeral..........

  • saint
    saint Member Posts: 1,877
    edited May 2009

    My update----steroids are working so that means rads! Will know all about it Tues.

    Had a long talk with onc today---plan to stay the present course with tx & see scans in June. I never have trusted bone scans--the size on the film is too gross to measure whether or not there is progression so I have no way of knowing WHEN this tumor swelled enough to compress my nerve. We will choose a site in my bones to monitor for size changes & do a CT or MRI in the future.....so yeah to one less scan every 3 months (maybe my Circulating Cell Test WAS right on!) 

    Happy weekend-be well & stay strong 

  • EWB
    EWB Member Posts: 2,927
    edited May 2009

    Saint, I am thinking of you and keeping you in my prayers.

    Jane- I have a lovely image in my head ....dancing in the Rainbow ballroom. 

  • denisela
    denisela Member Posts: 88
    edited May 2009
    Where to begin......  I am not afraid to die as I have a strong faith in God.  I am selfish and I want more time with my family. My husband and I were high school sweethearts and have been married 22 years and he is still the love of my life he Rocks my world daily.. We have twin daughters that are 11yrs old they are also my world. I am trying to face the fact I will not grow old with my husband and I wont see my daughters graduate nor be at their weddings nor see my grandchildren and I am HEARTBROKEN . I cant talk to anyone in my family or circle of friends because they are all in denial everytime I try they say youll be fine your not going anywhere or they fall apart. Im always picking them up emotionally and I reallly need to fall apart for a moment. I appreciate this pace where I can rant and you all know exactly what I*m talking about Thank You for listeningKiss
  • dreamwriter
    dreamwriter Member Posts: 3,255
    edited May 2009

    I am no longer willing to cry over the future.  Gee my daughters may have weddings and more children.  But I am enjoying the grandson I have.  I would like to see him as a man, but I cant focus on that. I will miss NOW.  I worry about my heart, lungs, liver.... blah blah blah.  But, they seem to be determined to get me to stay here.  And after several rather colourful dreams, I think I am here because I have things to write, sew, whatever.  But I am not going to miss work.  I am not going to worry about future events.  Just now.  Cause now is pretty special.

    May I just tip the fruitbowl.  Would people stop worrying about who can and cant come here?  The original idea was that we could talk about death.   I do not believe you have to be dying to have something to say.  Onebadboob is a prime example.  If you have something to say, say it.

  • pookie61
    pookie61 Member Posts: 257
    edited May 2009

    Denisala,

    Come here and rant anytime you want, we are all here to listen and help if we can.  I admit that I am terrified of dying itself and of the process.  

    Each day I live with mets horribly and I live with it wonderfully, and everything in between.  I am overwhelmed with beauty and sadness.  I am brought to my knees by pain and sorrow, and feel transported with a joy I have never known.

     I pray each and every day that I can somehow get up and do it all again.  

    I know that I will continue to be this way, and hope that as the illness progresses I don't lose all of the joy.   

  • Genia
    Genia Member Posts: 1,335
    edited May 2009

    Dream.....I have lurked here for a very long time.  I was afraid to post anything...because I felt as if I didn't have a right to intrude or say anything.  I felt as tho this was all of the Stage IV's refuge....and I  shouldn't be here. 

    Thank you for posting your last message. 

    The common bond with all of us here....is the beast we are dealing with.  Whether we are stage I or stage IV....it's still there.  Those of us who aren't stage IV are only one scan away from being there and in my heart I know I will be with you one day.....maybe not right now.....but eventually.  My cancer was very advanced.  The tumor itself was over 10 cms....and had spread to 5 of my lymph nodes. 

    I just want you all to know....I love and care for each of you deeply.  I may not know you personally.....but you are my sister!   And if there is anything at all I can do....please let me know.  I wish I could change things for all of us.....but I don't have that power.  

    When I read that one of us has died......I cry.....I hate this disease!!!!!!!!!!!!  It's so unfair and such a cowardly disease.

    Just know you are in my heart...and prayers!

    Genia

  • EWB
    EWB Member Posts: 2,927
    edited May 2009

    sweet Genia, I am so glad you are here....we all need a place to express our thoughts and concerns and fears about cancer and the fact that our mortality is ever present.

    Know we are here for you.

  • dreamwriter
    dreamwriter Member Posts: 3,255
    edited May 2009

    Thank you Genia

  • Fitztwins
    Fitztwins Member Posts: 7,969
    edited May 2009

    I am done mourning for my future too. I know that my family will be okay with out me. I am going to do everything I can to help them while I walk this earth.

    My goal is to try to forget I have cancer most days.

  • dreamwriter
    dreamwriter Member Posts: 3,255
    edited May 2009

    Well if all goes well, I will try to remember who I am most days.

  • saint
    saint Member Posts: 1,877
    edited May 2009

    Pookie---huge hugs--beautifully said!

    Fitz & dream--I am with you!

    denisala---none of us knows out "expiration date."  Tho I understand your fear & frustration, I BELIEVE our kids hold us here way beyond what science could ever explain---try to believe it too, hon....... 

    BC does suc, but at the risk of offending those who hate these words--there is SO much I have learned on this journey that would have taken years, or I may NEVER have gotten had bc never entered my life!!!  I think in many ways I am close to who I have always wished I'd be.......I know I am happier (& more self-indulgent) but things feel "right" so much of the time. Acceptance is a gift; as is Wisdom........I pray, like Pookie, that my joy & vision don't dwindle with the inevitable advancement of the beast......slow progression/slow decline.......time, time, time.

    HUGS--be well & stay strong 

  • dreamwriter
    dreamwriter Member Posts: 3,255
    edited May 2009

    I was supposed to expire 2 yrs ago.... I will let you know when I am ready.  Signed the Ever-Ready Bunny.

  • Genia
    Genia Member Posts: 1,335
    edited May 2009

    You go Dream.....way to think g/f!!!

  • LynnW
    LynnW Member Posts: 191
    edited May 2009

    I am so sorry to hear about Sue.  I kick myself for not logging on in about 2 weeks.  I hope she passed without incodent and drawn to the light that everyone talks about. She was always so grateful for our support.  She herself was a supporter for myself and I will miss her dearly.  I told my husband the other day that I felt lucky I was going to be the first to go between us,, because I can't stand to lose someone I love. My mothers death dug deep.  He now understands because he is going to be a lost soul when my time comes. He mentioned wanting to lay down with me and die too.   I feel worse for him than myself and I feel badly for Sues family because they go on to endure the physical and emotional pain.  I feel calm for Sue that she's passed over and will no longer be suffering.   take care all.

    huggs

    lynn

  • dreamwriter
    dreamwriter Member Posts: 3,255
    edited May 2009

    Nicely said Lynn.

  • footprintsangel
    footprintsangel Member Posts: 43,890
    edited May 2009

    Dear Sisters, I also have been reading you special line, You have alot of people here

    walking the same steps I am. I have had 3 cancers and wonder some day as they found

    7 nodes in my thyroid, Whats next! I got really scare this week to when a Phy Asst wrote

    a note that my cancer was on the other side. IDC stage 3, I have had colon and female

    cancer already and live alone. Lately it as has been hard to get coverage on things I need

    and have to take Medicare to court. Do you mind another friend? Hugs Debbie

  • EWB
    EWB Member Posts: 2,927
    edited May 2009

    Always room for one more.

  • dreamwriter
    dreamwriter Member Posts: 3,255
    edited May 2009

    Welcome to the fold.

  • footprintsangel
    footprintsangel Member Posts: 43,890
    edited May 2009

    Thank you! Dream, You have alot of very special and caing people.You are one of them

  • dreamwriter
    dreamwriter Member Posts: 3,255
    edited May 2009

    Yes, I do.  And I feel sorry for my husband who has NOBODY.

  • NanaOfTen
    NanaOfTen Member Posts: 191
    edited May 2009

    Dream, he has you.

  • Analemma
    Analemma Member Posts: 1,622
    edited May 2009

    Dreamwriter, I too feel my loss through my husband's eyes and heart, but we do have children and grandchildren locally.  Does he have no family support system to help him cope emotionally through this?

  • dreamwriter
    dreamwriter Member Posts: 3,255
    edited May 2009

    Nope.  His father is a bear of a man.  Has driven everyone off including the children.  Family is not there for him.  His best friend is currently in New York and returns in Sept.  And then he works near Ottawa for a year.  His other friend has mental health problems and is no support.  Men are just not like us.

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