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  • lisalisa
    lisalisa Member Posts: 824
    edited May 2009

    Oh Jilly, I'm afraid I'll do just what your'e doing!

    you're done with treatment, right?  no rads for you!

    so, I'd call the oncologist now (before your appt) and ask for a scan.  I was told that when I'm done with treatment, I'd get a scan to make sure there is NO CANCER!

    hugs!

    lisa

  • BevR
    BevR Member Posts: 101
    edited May 2009

    I'm sure it is okay, but to ease your mind call your onc. it will make you feel better---you don't need the stress.....

  • jillyG
    jillyG Member Posts: 401
    edited May 2009

    I called and changed my appt to this Monday and told them why I was coming,  I feel a little better knowing I'll talk to him sooner.  I had a bone scan in November when I was diagnosed and it was clear, so I don't know why I am so worried.  My mom read that it takes a long time to get the bone cancer symptoms and that since I had a scan in Nov, it's unlikely, but of course we're not doctors.  Thanks for the input ladies.  I can't wait until my appt.  I can't believe I am being such a worrier, I was never like this before.  I keep thinking about when the onc told me that a few years from now this will likely all be a bad memory and I won't be worried anymore and I'll have gotten on with my life. 

  • Bev56
    Bev56 Member Posts: 33
    edited May 2009

       I'm feeling pretty good post chemo. But I'm sure if I develop a nagging pain somewhere I'm going to worry about it. It's only human nature to worry but the key is to find a balance between concern and obsession. We each have to find our own balance. I would definitely talk to my doctor and get his input as to what may be causing the pain. I find music helps me take my mind off of things. I just turn the radio up and sing along.

      I worked this past weekend and had to take care of a very whiny woman who had surgery. All she did was whine, whine, whine. On Sunday I decided to go without my wig at work to show her other people are going through difficult times too but still manage to function without whining. She actually didn't whine too much on Sunday. I have peach fuzz and it felt great to go without the wig. There aren't many people there on the weekend and all my friends know I have cancer so I felt very comfortable without the wig. My friends are so supportive.

      My father in law just had a lump removed from his breast yesterday. He had one removed a few years ago that was okay so I'm hoping this report is just as good. He's 80 y/o and is normally nervous and more or less a hypochondriac so if the report isn't good he's going to be a mess. So will my husband.

      I hope everyone who has not been feeling well will soon be up and about and feeling like a million bucks!

  • eadsla
    eadsla Member Posts: 217
    edited May 2009

    Jilly, I'm no doctor, but I think you might be a little paranoid.  At least as far as mets goes.  I know what you mean about wondering if this is the new reality.  To some extent, yeah, I think it is, but I also think it gets better the more distance you get from the end of treatments.  You mentioned that you're seeing your onc in two weeks, but you can always call and let them know about the rib pain...especially since you've just started Tamox.  Who knows?  Maybe your bone pain is inflammation tha can be taken care of OTC.  I honestly don't know...but it doesn't hurt to ask.

    I know how you feel.  The freakouts are almost worse than the physcial side effects because you can't stop yourself from thinking.  Here's my take on the mets issue.  I asked my onc when I was first diagnosed how long it took for the lump to become cancerous.  I asked because I had discovered the lump on my own and it had a certain texture to it that was described as being benign in nature.  From the time I had met with my PCP about it and my scheduled mammogarm, I went out of town for a two weeks.  During that time, I noticed the nature of the lump had changed.  I freaked out becasue I thought that it happened really fast.  So I asked my onc when it was diagnosed.  He said that the cancer cells can collect and be "dormant" for years or that it could take years before a tumor becomes malignant.  So, if that's the case, and we have just come out of chemo which has zapped whatever remaining cancer cells may have strayed, I don't think the timetable is such that any of us would see mets at this point.  Now that's just my opinion...no basis in medical fact, but it just seems to make sense to me.  

    And while you may be paranoid...well, d'uh of course you're paranoid!  But just take a breath and try to work out some of your fears out rationally if you can.  Don't freak out because of information that you don't know.

    But know that if you do freak out, you can always do it here.

    Catherine  

  • Renrel
    Renrel Member Posts: 497
    edited May 2009

    Jilly- I doubt that it is bone mets but I also think it is normal to worry about every ache and pain now.  From what I am told it gets better the further out.  I was told that it is about a year to get through the whole bc process but read an artical today of "What I wish I knew before treatment" advice and one woman said that her doctor told her it would take 2 years for her to get back to what would feel like a normal life.  She did not believe him at the time but he was right, for her.  I don't know what her diagnosis or treatment was, how she handled chemo, or if they were talking physical, mental or both.  I still have one treatment to go and found myself wondering if a funny feelng I felt in my gut was canser.  I have not worried much or long since that is not a likely site for mets, but my mind still needed to there.  

     Bev- I have fantasies of pulling my wig off during a hearing when some one starts to whine about how they can't afford to pay back the unemployment benefits they were overpaid, but the still are showing private school, cable, expensive cars, ect on their assett/liablity list.  (They may meet the requirement but I hate to hear the whining when I have others people come in who are living in a one bedroom walk up with their two college age kids and only buying what they can actually afford and take it as given that their kids will help with house hold expenses.) It is not quite the same thing, but it feels like it would put things in perspective.  We have so much more here in the US that we get to feeling entitled. We forget that most of the world lives with much less than we do, including health care that would let them live long enough to get bc let alone get decent treatment for it.  Sometimes I think being exposed to chemo bald heads would help people feel less bad about their lives because they would see that things can be worse.)  I hope your FIL is OK.

     Today was a long day and wore me out.  My son's field trip required alot of walking and standing. the I had appointments in the hospital in two different buildings, more walking.  My legs and back were achy by the time we got home.  And I just feel so tired.  Then after resting and eatting the dinner my, also very tired, mom heated up, I ran a bath for my son and bathed him, washed his hair, cut his nails, and read to  him while he pooped.  I still need to get him to bed but he is playing computer games with my mom at the moment.

    Tomorrow is chemo #6 for me. The last one.  I could not come up with a fabulous last outfit but I did buy a dress up boa and tiara and a blue ball with sparkles in it that looks like a magic crystal ball.  I figure I will wear the tiara (blue) over my pink wig and find something fun to do with the ball... maybe ask people to look in it and tell me what they see and then write it down a journal?  Not as good as having people sign my head with body markers, but I could not find any body markers.  I read today that someone else sewed up a pink graduation gown and cap for her last treatment.  I like the idea but I don't sew and treatment is tomorrow.  

    That is for now.  I need to get son to bed, pack a bag for tomorrow, get some sleep. 

  • shockedat39
    shockedat39 Member Posts: 252
    edited May 2009

    Good morning, Jewels!

    Jilly - would it make you feel any better to know that I am also having some soreness in that area on the BC side?  It's mostly when I lay down and, while I was a bit paranoid about it at first, I'm reasonably sure that it's just muscle soreness.  I don't feel it all the time, only when I lay on that side.  I wonder if we just favor that side or our body so much that we cause that "tightness"  Like you, I also had a clear scan in November!

    Renrel - Congrats on your last chemo!  Good luck tomorrow :)

    I had my TEs deflated this morning.  Only 200ccs each.  They actually look much better and natural because the skin is stretched so they look more "relaxed."  Please send vibes that it's enough!

    Finally, I want to make an endorsement for the Mane N' Tail horse shampoo.  I'm less than three weeks out of chemo and this morning when I get out of the shower my hair was laying down (does that make sense?).  Granted it started to grow back some during Taxol.  Also, I have nothing to compare it to...BUT...my hair is growing back at a very fast rate.  I recommend it!!

    Everyone feel good!

    Diane

  • jillyG
    jillyG Member Posts: 401
    edited May 2009

    Diane, thanks, lol, it DOES make me feel better that you have the same pain :)  I do feel like it's a tightness as well, my mom said it's probably scar tissue a little bit due to mastectomy. 

    My hair is growing pretty fast, it's filling in pretty nice.  I go topless alot now but it's still short enough that I get stares, not quite a buzz cut yet, because a lot of scalp is showing through.  I wonder if they sell Mane N'Tail up here.  I use Nioxin cleanser and Nioxin scalp therapy.  I am finally growing arm pit hair, I was sure it was  never coming back....darn it. 

  • jrgolomb
    jrgolomb Member Posts: 1,236
    edited May 2009

    yeah, I have pain on the  mast side as well.  It sometimes will cause a sharp pain when I move and/or jsut sit down.  And of course, I go there! 

    I feel better, but I have a real hard time going up and down steps.  I feel breathless and my knees ache.  Can't wait for that pain to go away.  I take atavan at night and that really helps. 

    ANYBODY going to the TA ta sisterhood event in Nevada Sept 25????I would like to go if I CAN find a JANUARY JEWELL roomie!  I KNOW Lisalisa and Eadsla(?)  are going MAYBE ....ANYONE????

  • lisalisa
    lisalisa Member Posts: 824
    edited May 2009

    Jrgolomb - its kind of wierd that the TaTa sisterhood just "assigns" roomies.  Can't we pick our own?  I want to be with you and Eadsla!

    do you want to PM tracey and ask her to move people around?

  • eadsla
    eadsla Member Posts: 217
    edited May 2009

    Lisa--Yes!!!!!! we have to tell Tracy I think.  I never heard from the women I was assigned to, but that's also because my name was so mangled.  i think if the three of us PM her, then she can revise the list.  I'll do that now... 

     Catherine

  • eadsla
    eadsla Member Posts: 217
    edited May 2009

    Okay, just sent a PM to Tracy requesting you guys (Lisa and jrgolomb) as roommies.

    Renrel--Yes, you are so spot on about the entitlement issues.  Sometimes it's hard to discern whether people are sadly more obssessed with the material things, or their right to have them.  There's a big difference between fearing the loss of what you have and just being grateful that you have it.  Even without dealing with bc, your job must prove frustrating at times.  Also WOOOOOHOOOOOO on your last chemo!  You have certainly done it with the most panache of anyone I've heard!

    Have to pass this along:  My neighbor, whom I haven't seen in about two weeks, mentioned that the last time he saw me, my head was fuzzy, but still had that going through cancer look to it.  Now he thought that I was just looking more like the sort of person who has a lot of bumper stickers on their car.  It made my night!

    Catherine

  • lisalisa
    lisalisa Member Posts: 824
    edited May 2009

    Catherine - your neighbors comments are so funny!  i almost spit out my drink LOL!

     thanks for the chuckle! 

    btw.....i'm still fuzzy.  3 weeks and 1 day post chemo.  not that i'm counting LOL!

  • eadsla
    eadsla Member Posts: 217
    edited May 2009

    Lisa--LOL  Counting..?  Who's counting?  Counting what..?

    Catherine

  • misty123
    misty123 Member Posts: 242
    edited May 2009

    Hi ladies,

    Does anone now how long the hot flashes continue post chemo, they are really starting to bother me now, thanks.

  • YearoftheHat
    YearoftheHat Member Posts: 243
    edited May 2009

    JillyG - If you're going topless people are probably not staring at your hair but congratulations on having some.  I totally have that baby chick look going. 

    I can see I will have a lady type mustache again.  The feelings on that are mixed.  

    OMG - I have all kinds of chronic chest pains.  They never really went away after the mastectomies.  In my case it's clearly musculo-skeletal from surgery.

    Renrel, I like the idea of dressing up for the final chemo.  Evening wear would be a nice break from my routine and maye some live accompaniment. 

    This is just too much fun.  Meds kickin' in....gonna hit the sheets.

    Night all you lovely Jewels.

     

  • Renrel
    Renrel Member Posts: 497
    edited May 2009

    6 down, 0 to go!  Yeah. 

    Today went well but I just realized I messed up my meds. I was supposed to take 2 decatron morning and noon yesterday and this morning but I only took 1. I was rushed and did not read the bottle and forgot what the dose was. I took the two tonight.  I hope I don't have any issues due to this.

    My costume was well recieved. One lady assumed I was a storyteller. LOL.  Others asked what I was celebrating.  Lots of questions about how I was going to celebrate.  I told them I am saving that for three weeks from today, when I don't go in for chemo.  I have been amused at how just the book I have wanted has appeared in one of the free or very low cost used book places I have been frequenting.  I previously found that life after treatment book I mentioned awhile ago, the noon a Nordies book (about 4 young woman w/breast cancer who meet for lunch), the second two books in a silly series I liked, and today the poetry and short collect "When I am old I shall wear purple" which includes pieces about woman growing old. I had copy years ago and with the menapause issues brought on by chemo and then by hormontherapy I have been wanting to read through it again but could not find it anywhere on my book shelves.  Today, just before I have to start thinking about hormonal therapy there it was on the give away shelf in the infusion waiting room.  

    I am really tired this evening, so I am heading for bed.  

    Night girls.

  • jrgolomb
    jrgolomb Member Posts: 1,236
    edited May 2009

    Okay, Catherine and Lisa.  I am saving my nickels and dimes for the trip. Already arranging a sub for my classroom.  I chuckle with glee at the thought, to actually arrange someone to take my place while I am out having fun! and meeting up with people who really helped me through so much. 

    Catherine, Year of the Hat and Renrel- great stories.  You  make me laugh.

    Ren-I took a decadron by accident instead of the atavan. Didn't figure it out until the great robbery in my classroom (remember my thief?) and happened to look at the decadron and thought maybe he took that too, cause I was one pill short!  DUH!  Anyway-you are a story teller-  a good one!  At any rate, let's say the bugger took the steroid, what would he feel? What would he do??? Lift weights faster!  Stay up for 20 hours instead of the usual 18 he already did?  I don't know! 

    Year of the Hat--your turn of phrase always makes me laugh, or makes me stop and reread.  always something to chew on.

    Misty --I have been having hot flashes daily and I haven't even started tamoxifen.  i had actually started hot flashes about a year or two ago.  What I really dislike is the distractible state I feel I am in.  My students love it!  irgh.

  • ktym
    ktym Member Posts: 2,637
    edited May 2009

    Misty: hot flashes just keep getting worse for me.  We're empty nesters now, so my DH no longer blinks when I whip off my shirt to cool off.  We just have learned to keep the blinds closed.  Hope they don't last too many years and I forget what day light looks like. Can't wait to see how what the Tamoxifen can add in. 

    Catherine: Look like the sort of person who has a lot of bumper stickers.  I like that--totally cracked me up. DH got a huge laugh out of it too.  

    Hope everyone is having a good week.   

  • Renrel
    Renrel Member Posts: 497
    edited May 2009

    I had a bad night as far as sleep was concerned.  I don;t know how long I was awake in bed when I gave up and got up at 3:30 and stayed up till 5ish.  I had a nice piece of cheese cake and some tea though.  DH was a doll and took DS to school today even though it will add an hour to his commute and DS was being a pain about having to go with daddy and not me (which may  have as much to do with not getting to watch as much tv as with being a mama's boy,  He does however get like this when he notices that other adults are spending alot of time filling in for me when I need to withdrawi for awhile and take care of me.)   So I get to rest and relax till going in for my neuslata shot in the afternoon.  I would like to go in for the noon knitting hour because without help I am never going to get this simple hat project done.  I have ripped out the first cast on row/and or the first 2-3 rows so many times in the last 2 weeks that the yard is thinning out. 

     My hot flashes are also getting a bit worse.  I pretty much always were a camisole these days as I have given up on wearing bras that I no longer need and won't fit the new boobs anyway. (I still have expanders by the way)  so I can usually take off my shirt anywhere I am if a choose to.  The advantage of no nipples is this look is a bit less sexy than it would otherwise be.  If it were warmer for everyone else I am not sure it would even look at all strange.

    IMy nurse told me that I may be eligible for some study on whether tamoxafin or ovary supression is a better treatment.  She warned me though that with ovary suppression the side effect can be worse, in particular vaginal dryness and low libido type issues. She said they can be dealt with but it is takes work.  I like the idea of helping the research in the matter but I worry about my marrage if my libido drops any further.  DH and I have had a "romantic" life during the last 4-6 months but it has been infrequent and I know he feels neglected and afraid to instigate given how often I have apparently rejected him over this time.  I have not even always realized I was rejecting anything, but I don't know if I want to add anymore stress to that part of our marrage.  It will take serious thought, research, and some input from DH before I commit to anything.   Maybe I should get an appointment with that doctor my nurse told me about who specialized in sexual issues but does not have open appoints for a year out.  Better to be prepared if I need it and be able to cancel if I don't.

    Hope the rest of you are doing well.  I am going to go lay down. 

  • eadsla
    eadsla Member Posts: 217
    edited May 2009

    Ren--Sorry to hear about your night.  I forgot about those nights before the neulasta...plus I've been on ambien cr for the past three months.  Gonna have to try getting off of those soon.  Any advice about that? 

    Heat flashes...Holy F%$!!!  Mine were out of control.  They started after my last chemo.  I had no idea what they were at first and asked my onc about it when he told me "Oh, that's because chemo has shut down your ovaries..."  Ahhh...now THAT goes in the category of 'helpful to know beforehand.'  They then got progressively worse over the next week.  It became an evil game where I started clocking them.  The day would start with one in bed, then I would have one almost every hour then every forty minutes, then thirty minutes.  I was having about 18-20 of them a day.  It was misery...and the thought that my ovaries would return to normal meaning that i would have to go through this again...?  My onc put me on Magase/Megestrol.  It's made all the difference.  It's progesterone based and supposedly not too difficult to wean yourself from later on (famous last words).

    My sympathies go out to you married ones.  Even if your husband is a saint, you can't stop yourself from the thinking about the sexual issues.

    Jess--was it here or another thread that you posted about the student thief incident?  That was you, right?  Wow, I remember when that happened.  How long ago was that?

    Nancy--Last night in the shower I ran the razor over my little laydee lip fuzz.  Also had to break and down finally shave my legs for the first time in alomst six months.  When I got out of the shower and moisterized, I saw that I did the most ass-backwards job.  I just looked at my legs and laughed.

    Catherine

  • KM47
    KM47 Member Posts: 65
    edited May 2009

    Just a quick note to report in -- am finished chemo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Had my last infusion on Tuesday. Am a bit tired and have a few side effects but I don't think I care anymore because this is the last one.

    Congrats to everyone else who is done or is on the way there.

    In some ways it's funny to feel relieved when there is still so much treatment left to go for me - 15 more Herceptin infusions until March next year, 25 radiation treatments starting in a couple of weeks and 1825 (!) Tamoxifen tablets starting at the end of rads. But I feel like I can see the light at the end of the tunnel now.

    My hair is growing back (gray!) but my fingernails look like they might be about to fall off.

    Love to you all.

    K.

  • BerkeleyKim
    BerkeleyKim Member Posts: 390
    edited May 2009

    KM47 and Renrel--CONGRATULATIONS--You're done! That many tamox? I wonder how many Ai's I'll get (whichever one they give).

    Too tired to write much more. Just took a couple hour nap after work. 2 more treatments to go..and the fatigue has really hit me. And I hope I can think clearly enough to make it through the next couple weeks. Only a month left before school's out, and I have so much to do.

    Did walk with a friend today on an amazing trail through the redwoods I hadn't been on before in the hills above where I teach. Different world so close by. Views of the bay. Also was so happy to meet PrincessKauai yesterday for coffee and her darling son. She looks so great! I'd love to be able to meet more Jewels. Don't think vegas is in my future, as I'll be back in school and working.

    I've also had sore ribs--especially right below mx. I mentioned it to my rad onc who says it's normal after surgery. It hurt a lot when i got the echocardiograms. I also have lower back pain and occasional head pain.  I used to worry about my kids, and now I'm way to focused on myself and am a hypocondriac that I'd never thought I'd be. My moustache isn't growing back, but I do seem to have a lot of "beardy" peach fuzz. Not as much as on the head...

    Good night!

  • ladyjane54
    ladyjane54 Member Posts: 192
    edited May 2009

    Hi all:  No time to catch up on posts right now as I have to drive DD to schol this a.m.   My husband usually does this but took an early flight to Minnesota this a.m. to spend Mother's Day with his Mom.

    Just wanted to check in and say I am back from Texas with no swine flu.  Had my 3rd taxol tx yesterday and so far so good.  I hope the SEs stay away and I can continue to feel almost normal.  Will check in later when I have more time to read.

    Congrats to all who are done with Chemo... I feel like I am going to be last to the finish line here.  Who else is still having Chemo and when is your last tx?

    Patti

  • ktym
    ktym Member Posts: 2,637
    edited May 2009

    KM47: congrats for you!  Light at the end of the tunnel, yeah

  • lisalisa
    lisalisa Member Posts: 824
    edited May 2009

    Hi Jewels,

    I'm feeling so great and so normal that I'm not online as much anymore.  Yesterday was my son's b'day party (pushed out since I was just finishing chemo.).  The party was so much fun!  Today, my daughter is having a few girls over for a playdate.  I love being back to "normal"....its so refreshing.  I hope to never thing normal is mundane.....for now, I'm enjoying little things like grocery shopping, having the kids friends over, etc.

    KM47- big congrats for finishing chemo!

    Ladyjane - so glad you made it to TX and back with no swine flu!   How is your granddaughter?

    Berkely Kim - how fun that you got to meet another Jewel!  I walk sometimes with a Jewel who was here for a short time....she doesn't post anymore...but maybe she reads?!!?  Hi Martha!  I still hope we can have a Jewel get-together even if its next summer!  You guys got me thru tough times!

  • lisalisa
    lisalisa Member Posts: 824
    edited May 2009

    oh, i forgot the purpose of my post.  anyone else have nails that look TERRIBLE?

     i went and got mani/pedis the day before each chemo.  and i kept my nails painted.  its been 3 weeks since my last mani/pedi and i didn't have time to go back.  my nails were chipping so i used polish remover.  OMG!   my nails have horrible ridge marks....ewww!  i typically wear a sheer polish with a tiny bit of color..i.e. ivory or ever so slight pink.  somehow that must have been enough to mask what was going on.

    i have no idea what is up with my toenails....they are covered in a brighter color. 

    will have to get a mani/pedi SOON!  anyone else with nail issues?

  • ddlatt
    ddlatt Member Posts: 448
    edited May 2009

    lisalisa, taxol really did a number on my nails. lots of ridges, then they turned yellow, and then all white and are now falling off. talk about gross. no toenail issues. 

  • lisalisa
    lisalisa Member Posts: 824
    edited May 2009

    ddlatt:

    so far i just have ridges.....LOTS of ridges....and a slight discoloration. i'm shocked!  i wonder if its been there all along and i just never looked?!?  my nails always have nail color over them!

    when your nails fall off, is there another nail underneath or what?

    i hate this!

    not to mention, my eyebrows are thinning even more AFTER being done with chemo.  but, my hair is growing back quickly....so there is some upside!

  • jrgolomb
    jrgolomb Member Posts: 1,236
    edited May 2009

    ddlatt-lisalisa

    I have black ridges along my thumbs, and my big toes are an ugly gray color.  My big toes hurt most of the time, but the thumbs have been like that throughout my tx-started with the FEC. 

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