Genetic Test Anxiety

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PugMum
PugMum Member Posts: 80

Hey Everybody,

 Every time I think I've exhausted my need for ths board something new finds me returning. It's been a year since my diagnosis. Treatment ended mid-December and I've been feeling fine. I went for genetic counseling the other day. I really thought this was just going to be a nice chit-chat about family history and they would send me on my way. NOT! It was a very in-depth conversation about history, genetics, and whether or not I was ready to deal with the consequences of finding the BRCA genes in my genetic make-up.They left me with the impression that it was very likely I would test positive. I thought I was doing fine until I accused my dh of cheating on me in the future if I end up having a double mastectomy! We hit a rough patch during chemo but have actually been closer than ever since then. I'm finding I have a very biting mouth when I"m feeling so vulnerable and I really don't like myself right now. How have others coped with waiting for the results and how do you deal with a positive test? Besides upping my anti-anxiety meds I'm really struggling right now. Thanks for letting me vent.

Kathy

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  • smirks44
    smirks44 Member Posts: 77
    edited May 2009

    Hi Kathy!

    Sorry that you are dealing with this!  Waiting for results SUCKS!  

    Will you have a long wait for your results?

    I have not had cancer, but am BRCA2+, and have had preventative surgeries.  Learning that you carry the genetic mutation is a bit of a tough pill to swallow, but at the same time it gives you information and ammunition to help you avoid further cancers!  Whether you choose surgeries as prevention or extra surveillance to catch things early, I figure it is better to know that you carry this mutation (if in fact you do) than to think that you are not at risk when you really are!  For me knowledge has given me power to take action to protect myself, even though it has been a long and rocky road!!

    It is worth visiting www.facingourrisk.org, as there is lots of information there about BRCA1 and 2.  The message boards there (as well as here of course!) have been very helpful to me!

    Wishing you the best..... 

  • QueenK
    QueenK Member Posts: 220
    edited May 2009

    I ended my treatment in November and had the appt in Feb.

    I chose NOT to have the genetic test at this time.One reason was the incerdibly long wait for results in canada (6-8 MONTHS). As well there was really not a lot in my family HX that suggested that I wowould have gentic cancer.

    So instead of living my life right now, waiting with that on my plate.I chose to live my life.The BRCA test is a Good tool, but it is NOT a definitive answer.

  • PugMum
    PugMum Member Posts: 80
    edited May 2009

    Smirks,

    I only have a 2-week wait for the first results. If those are negative it will be another 2 weeks. I'm supposed to have a repeat Pap on the 12th, but I'm tempted to reschedule since I may need a consultation regarding a hysterectomy instead.

    I have to ask if you have children, and if so, have they been tested? I have 2 college-age kids and I think I'm passing on some of my anxiety to my daughter. :(  Not the most responsible way to behave. I had no idea the BRCA mutations were associated with an increase in pancreatic, colon and prostate cancers. When I'm thinking rationally, I know it's better to be armed with as much information as possible, But, honestly, some times I just want to pull the covers over my head and assume a position of absolute ignorance!

    Thanks for the words of encouragement and the web site link.

    Kathy

  • smirks44
    smirks44 Member Posts: 77
    edited May 2009

    I have two girls, aged 9 and 11.  They have watched me go through my surgeries and complications (a failed flap resulting in lots of extra surgeries!), and they understand that it all relates to the cancer that runs in the family.  They have been told that it relates to a gene, that they may or may not carry and that they can be tested when they are adults.  I gave them very basic information at first ("I am having these surgeries to make sure that I never get breast cancer, as there is a lot of cancer in my family"), and then answered questions when they asked them.  Over time they are getting the entire picture.  I am treating it like I would treat any other sensitive discussion (eg - sex education), and giving bits of information as it comes up in discussion.  I am sure it is quite different with older kids.  My siblings have girls who are entering their 20's......

    My sister has watched the movie "In the Family" with her daughter.  You can order it online:

    http://inthefamily.kartemquin.com/film

    This film follows a 30 something-year old woman as she wrestles with surgical decisions after finding out that she is BRCA1+.  It is an emotional and moving film.  Now is probably not the right time, but IF you are positive it may be a good resource for you.

    Another wonderful resource for young women is a website started by Lindsay Avner, who is also BRCA positive, and had a preventative mastecomy in her 20's:

    www.bebrightpink.org

    I believe that the FORCE website has a webcast that addresses how to discuss these issues with your children.  I havent watched it, but it might be worth looking at.  Follow this link, and then look about half way down the page:

    http://www.facingourrisk.org/hereditary_cancer/family_history.html?PHPSESSID=65e81aa9c38656ec6f6d821a3bb8f0d3

    It may be too early in your journey to look at all these resources, but it is important to know that there is a lot of support out there, and many others who have wrestled with these same issues.  You are not alone!

    I am so glad that you will not have to wait long for your results.  The waiting is so tough!  Even if you are positive, remember that your children will only have a 50/50 chance of having the mutation as well........I hope desperately that my children and neices will be negative!!!  What a gift that would be!!!

    Re: the risk of other cancers....yes, risks of some other cancers are increased, but not nearly as much as the increase in risk for breast and ovarian cancers.  I did see a dermatologist to look at my skin and review what to watch for regarding skin cancers, but even with the increased risk, the numbers are not super-scary to me.  I am BRCA2+, and was told that my risk of melanoma is double that of the rest of the population.  That sounds very worrisome, until you realize that the lifetime risk for the average person is 2%, so even with the increased risk my lifetime risk is still only 4%.  I can live with that!!!  My understanding is that the risk of colorectal cancer is not elevated with BRCA2.  Pancreatic cancer is a risk, but with no great screening tools for it I try not to worry about that one too much.  Again, the risks are no where near the risk of ovarian and breast cancer, and those risks were ones that I could virtually eliminate with my surgeries.

    The FORCE website has good information on BRCA and other cancer risks:

    http://www.facingourrisk.org/risk_management/other_cancer_risks.html

    Somewhere along this crazy BRCA journey I wrote this quote in my journal: "If there is a solution to the problem, what is the need of worrying.  And if there is no solution, what is the point of worrying?"  It is hard to not worry, but sometimes I need to remind myself to only focus on what I can control, and let go of the rest!  This has certainly been a great lesson on taking one day at a time!

    The waiting is so so so hard!  To be honest, the waiting (for the test results, and then waiting before surgeries) is the hardest part of the entire journey!  

    Be kind to yourself over the next few weeks!  

    Let us know how it turns out for you!  Wishing you the best....... 

  • tweekerbeeker
    tweekerbeeker Member Posts: 93
    edited May 2009

    Dear PugMum, I am BRCA2+ and have 4 boys and one very lovely 22 y.o. girl. It was heartbreaking for me to get a pos. result, mainly b/c of my daughter. She knows all about the risks and my surgeries, and together we have handled things quite well. Since they do not make any recommendations until 25, she is not getting tested at this time. Then she can decide what she wants to do.

    Getting a positive result affects everyone so differently. My mom, aunt, and sister died of cancer, so I was terrified. I have had prophylactic surgeries and feel calm about my future, though it certainly has changed my life.

    If your test should come back positive, I also highly recommend that you visit www.facingourrisk.org. "In the Family" is tremendously educational and helpful emotionally. I met the girl who made the film-she is so wonderful. Also, "Pretty Is What Changes" helped me and many others to make decisions. My daughter picked up my copy and read it b4 I was aware. I was so afraid it would upset her, but it did not.

    Good luck to you nad let us know what happens.

    BTW-Lexapro helped me cope better than many anxiety meds b/c they have extreme ups and downs, where Lexapro keeps you pretty even. Just a thought.

  • PT63
    PT63 Member Posts: 329
    edited May 2009

    Kathy

    I was totally freaked out after my genetic counseling session because I also left feeling like the counseling session sounded like it was a sure thing that I would be positive.  I was a wreck.  I have two girls, my mom had ovarian CA etc. etc. etc.  It was during the holidays so the testing was postponed, results postponed etc etc etc.  In the end after several weeks of major anxiety and lack of sleep....I was negative.  My mom and I have BC and OC one year apart was just a fluke!  (My mom was negative also)

    I hope your results are good and everything else goes smoothly from here.

  • happen3rd
    happen3rd Member Posts: 3
    edited May 2009

    PugMum, I have had three breast surgeries. first one in 1986 on the right breast, lupectomy with radiation at the age of 38; second one on the left in 2001 with mascetomy and lap and chemo, the lap was the worst thing it hasnt healed up till now; and the cancer came  back to the right breast feb 2009 and I had lumpectomy again with radiation and going thru chemo now; then three weeks ago the generic testing came positive and was told I have to have a mascetomy on the right breast and remove my ovary and uterus when strong enough.I dont know what advise to give you, but right now at 60, I dont care any more. Do what is best for you, and good luck.

  • lexislove
    lexislove Member Posts: 2,645
    edited May 2009

    I'm in Canada and I have been waiting since July 2008 for my results!!!!!

    I only had it done because I have a daughter, otherwise I would have said forget it.

  • PT63
    PT63 Member Posts: 329
    edited May 2009

    Sorry about this late addition:  I just wanted to add that by personal choice and because I was having such anxiety after the genetic counseling session I made my decision to have the BLM even before the results came back.  It was very apparent to me that I was not dealing well with the cancer diagnosis in general and having a lot of sleepless nights doing the "what if game" so I decided to just go for the whole thing.  Then 18 months later because of rapidly growing fibroids from the tamoxifen I had a hysterectomy anyway.  So even though all of my genetic testing came back negative, I ended up with everything removed anyway.

    I also wanted to make a quick comment regarding Smirk's post about the increased risk of melanoma.  My dermatologist found an early stage melanoma 6 months after my BC diagnosis.  That really freaked me out because I thought maybe they gave me the wrong genetic test results.  But I guess my recent life is just a series of cancer related coincidences..... or at least until they identify some other link.

    Take care

  • tami48
    tami48 Member Posts: 533
    edited May 2009

    Pugman,

    The waiting sucks!  I'm BRCA2+.  My daughter (age 24) is positive, so are my 2 nieces (ages 25 &27).  They are under close surveillance from their doctors.  My brother was negative (thank goodness).  My other family members don't want to have the test.  

    Let us know how it turns out....am hoping for a negative!!! 

  • PugMum
    PugMum Member Posts: 80
    edited May 2009

    Thanks for all the information and words of encouragement. My soon-to-be stepmother is going to accompany me if I get a positive result. She's had bc and the genetic testing ( which was negative ) and is very pro-active on health issues. I know I'll need an extra brain with me to get all the necessary information and ask the right questions. I'll let you all know in a few weeks.

    Kathy

  • jodie1975
    jodie1975 Member Posts: 1
    edited May 2009

    I just wanted to let people know that I just received the result this morning that I am negative for BRCA 1 and BRCA 2.  My mother has BRCA 1 and my father's family has a history of breast cancer.  I was convinced I inherited the gene!  And I am a definate worrier.  So, if you are thinking about having the test but haven't done so because you are scared and convinced you know the results, I would suggest taking the test.  It relieved my anxiety, and had I found out I inherited the mutation, it would have allowed me to take advantage of early screening and prevention that would helped me live a long and healthy life. 

  • QueenK
    QueenK Member Posts: 220
    edited May 2009

    I have one big problem with this genetic testing.I was told (and I did have BC) that even with a NEGATIVE result, this does not mean there is no certainty there is not another gene undiscovered that can cause BC.So basically, you test negative...or positive and still have no answers.

    I am not scared, I just think it is a bunch of alarmist stuff and I personally have experienced enough of that with breast cancer.

    It frightens me that young woman (some) are getting their breasts cut off because they may have a genetic pre-disposition.There is not enough definitive, real ppl studies to come to any conclusions.

  • QueenK
    QueenK Member Posts: 220
    edited May 2009

    Late addition, this is from my genetic counseling session letter:

    A negative result is considered inconclusive because it cannot exclude all possible genetic causes of breast cancer due to limitations in our testing, which is estimated to detect about 95% of mutations within these 2 genes as well as the potential for other breast cancer genes which have not yet been discovered.It is also possible that an unclassified variant could be indentitifed which can be difficult to interpret.

    Please PM me with any questions.

  • smirks44
    smirks44 Member Posts: 77
    edited May 2009

    Hi Jennywren!

    It is important to note that there is a crucial difference between UNINFORMED negative and TRUE negative results.

    If there is not an identified mutation in your family (ie - if you are the first person in your family to test), and your result is negative, you are an uninformed negative.  This means that your results are not clear.  You may be in a situation where you have a strong family history of breast cancer, but no mutation has been identified.........the unanswered question in that situation is do you truly not have a mutation or do you have a mutation that has not yet been identified but is actually dangerous?

    A TRUE negative occurs when there is an identified mutation in your family and you test negative for that mutation.  In that case, you truly are negative, and can be quite confident that your cancer risk is the same as the rest of the general population. 

    For example, my sister tested positive for a BRCA2 mutation.  When I was tested they looked for that exact mutation.  If I had tested negative I could have been quite confident that I was not at increased risk - a true negative.

    Unfortunately I tested positive.  They looked for the mutation that my sister has, and found it in me.  That means that my risk in substantially increased.  You are right that more studies are needed, as current studies show a range in risk estimates, but even the lowest of these ranges was way too high for me.  I am not willing to live with a 50-85% lifetime risk!

    So, I had a double mastectomy and I am grateful that I had the opportunity to do that before I had cancer (in spite of many complications that I encountered with my reconstruction!).  

    I am also grateful that I had an identified mutation in my family, rather than living with the ambiguity of uninformed negative.  However, I totally understand why people with ambiguous results "get their breasts cut off".   The family histories that some people have are very very very scary to live with, and peace of mind comes at a high price sometimes!!! 

    We need to be clear that some negative results do mean with almost complete certainty that there is no gene mutation.  We also need to be clear that positive results are not "alarmist stuff"!!!  The evidence is there, and these mutations are dangerous!!! 

  • QueenK
    QueenK Member Posts: 220
    edited May 2009

    I am not here to argue, but to add a perspective.Even my oncologist, while TRULY happy to have the BRCA testing in place does believe that a lot more research needs to be done.

    I met a young woman, while I was undergoing breast cancer treatment.She was 24 years old and had a great grandmother die of breast cancer.There was no other breast cancer in the family.She had heard about the BRCA gene, watched the doc and joined a website.She made it her lifes mission to make sure that she focused on breast cancer, and possibly having the BRCA gene.She lived like she already had breast cancer.

    This is an extreme case.I'm sorry, maybe having gone through it at the age I did, this would not be my focus in life.It is never 100% given that you WILL get breast cancer, even with the gene.I hate to see woman living like they already have it.

    I think awareness is SUPER important and thank GOD for the test.But there is no need to be alarmist, just smart.

    Woman who do not get tested are not uninformed, or scared, or stupid.I am a highly educated person, and I chose not to have the BRCA test.Because of the facts I was given

    End of story.

  • smirks44
    smirks44 Member Posts: 77
    edited May 2009

    Jennywren, perspective is important!!  For sure!!

    I would just like to add that anyone who feels uncertain about wether to test or not should see a certified genetic counsellor.  There is no commitment to test when you see a counsellor, but it is an opportunity to gather important information to enable informed decisions!!!

    I am forever grateful to my sister for the information that she gave me.........

    BRCA2+

    prophylactic mastectomy and oophorectomy.

    healthy, and grateful....

    smirks44

  • QueenK
    QueenK Member Posts: 220
    edited May 2009

    For sure, I got a nice typed 3 page report on risk factors, even telling me I was in the "low risk" catagory and detailing everything about the situation for me.It was very nice that it is tailored to every single person.Considering all the information I am glad I made the decision.

    I also feel empowered that I did what I had to do, I am truly grateful that I did not have to remove my breasts, got the treatment I needed and can now move on with my life.

    And they will never try and persuade you one way or the other,it is like a test drive so to speak.

  • Tink16
    Tink16 Member Posts: 18
    edited May 2009

    Im really nervous and have a lot of anxiety because my mom has breast cancer. She went to do treatment in Germany and her doctor told her it was genetic. does that mean she carrys the gene? her brothers and sisters got the genetic testing done and none of them have the gene. when my mom was 13, she lived in lebanon, and a bomb hit right inn front of her house..today, she has shrapnoles from the bombs in her body, could that have mutated her genes? im so lost and i dont know if i should have the test done. On top of everything i have breat implants...HELP!

  • smirks44
    smirks44 Member Posts: 77
    edited May 2009

    sssarah, if your Mom carries a BRCA gene mutation it is something she was born with (passed down to her by her Mom or Dad), and not something that developed during her lifetime.

    If she did test positive for a mutation you should be able to find out from her which specific mutation she has.  There are many many many mutations on both BRCA1 and BRCA2, and knowing which exact mutation runs in your family makes testing much easier and cheaper.  This information outlines exactly where on BRCA1 or 2 your Mom's mutation lies (mine for example is BRCA2 7699delC, which basically means at point 7699 my genetic code is missing letter C).  If your Mom can give you this kind of information about a mutation she carries, then you should definately seek out a certified genetic counsellor to discuss the pros and cons of testing.

    The other possibility is that your Mom's doctor thinks the cancer may be genetic as there is a strong family history, but that when they tested her they did not find a specific mutation.  This situation is what is called "uninformed negative".  It refers to families in which cancers are likely hereditary, as there is a strong pattern, but the genes that are possibly causing the cancers may not yet be identified.

    Does that help to clarify things a bit? 

  • KimI1
    KimI1 Member Posts: 4
    edited May 2009

    It is important to keep in mind that your medical insurance may pay for additional diagnostic tools such at ultra sounds and MRIs if you are BRCA positive. So, even if you choose not to have a mastectomy, you will have the benefit of annual screening that are more sensitive than a mammagrams. That alone is sufficient reason to do the testing in my mind.  I am BRCA 1 positive, was treated for a small stage 1 tumor in 2009, chose to have a double mastectomy. One of my 2 sisters is also positive, chose to have a mastectomy as well. My 73 year old mother is also positive, by some miracle has not had breast cancer, has chosen to go with extra screening as opposed to a mastectomy, all covered by insurance.

  • PugMum
    PugMum Member Posts: 80
    edited May 2009

    Hi All,

    Well, it's two weeks and counting. I've had time to calm down a bit since my initial freak-out. I actually feel a little guilty for putting so much emphasis on physical attractiveness when there are people out there with illnesses that can't be cured, much less, prevented. I MOST DEFINITELY will have a hysterectomy and double mastectomy if I'm positive. My hair dresser told me a friend of hers who had the double mastectomy with reconstruction has fabulous boobs! Since mine are now uneven I might even enjoy having what I had 30 years ago and before children. After evaluating my family history and other risk factors I'll be amazed if I'm not positive. I'll just keep my fingers crossed that I haven't passed this gene on to my kids. I'll let you guys know when I know.

    Kathy

  • Tink16
    Tink16 Member Posts: 18
    edited May 2009

    smirks44- Thank you for that information. I will ask my mom tomorrow, but i just dont wanna bug her and make her feel bad. I feel bad asking if i might have a BRCA gene! We NO history of bc in the family either. I dont know how to ask her if i do because last time i did she said she didnt know so i changed the subject...

  • saint
    saint Member Posts: 1,877
    edited May 2009

    If someone posted this stat I missed it & apologize. Last time I checked the odds of bearing & passing on the BRCA gene was about 8%.

    My mom had bc a few years b4 I was dx'd. I have 4 sisters who all seemed to be flying under bc's radar & I was not planning to do the test until my dd questioned us about prophylatic mast at 15!!!!! Tho we have never made a big issue of it, she has lived with bc since she was 7 (I guess she doesn't remember a time it wasn't part of our family)  I thought long & hard about what I would do with the info once I had it........since there was NOTHING she could do for years (but the knowledge might benefit my sisters.) It was difficult anticipating how to deal with the possible positive result......I understand.

    Since I have mets, I have had lots of practice waiting for results. It has gotten easier for me, but sometimes it can still be dicey for dh & my kids cuz subconsciously I think it is simmering on a back burner in my brain while I wait,,,,,,,,prayer seems to help in the worst moments of panic. 

    One of the greatest gifts I ever gave my girl was the negative result! So I can't tell you what I did when I learned I was positive, but I offer my support & prayers that wisdom & courage accompany whatever your result!

    HUGS-be well & stay strong 

  • PugMum
    PugMum Member Posts: 80
    edited May 2009

    Hi All,

     Much to everyone's surprise ( especially the genetics counselor ) I'm negative!!!! Now, here's the somewhat amusing and probably typical response. I was so sure I was postive that I had reconciled myself to the prophylactic treatment that lie ahead. So, now I'm thinking it wouldn't be such a bad thing to rid my body of the parts that could get cancer. Especially my ovaries and uterus! Sometimes I think too much knowledge can be a drain on the brain. But thanks to everyone and their words of encouragement. I'm off to celebrate a wonderful long weekend!

    Kathy

  • ddlatt
    ddlatt Member Posts: 448
    edited May 2009

    PugMum - so happy to hear you tested negative!!!!!!!!!!

  • tweekerbeeker
    tweekerbeeker Member Posts: 93
    edited May 2009

    Great news!!! Enjoy the weekend!

  • Jo_Ann_K
    Jo_Ann_K Member Posts: 277
    edited May 2009

    I think it's important to go to a genetics counselor before you choose to get tested because based on your history, he/she will run an algorithm to determine your risk so that you can make an informed decision. In our family, my mother had breast cancer (died at year 7, 3 weeks after recurrence) and her mother and all her mom's sisters had female hormone related cancers. The geneticist was really sure I'd come out positive since I meet the other criteria for the BRCA gene. In particular, I was concerned for my daughters.  The test came out negative and was fully paid by the insurance company.  My daughters are very grateful that I took the test for them. Just another point of view.

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