If you knew then what you know now...

If you knew then what you know now...

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  • Eldub
    Eldub Posts: 276
    edited May 2009

    Having finished radiation (yay!  10 days ago!), I keep thinking about what I might have done differently to handle rads if I'd known at the beginning what I know now that I'm done.  It occurred to me this might be helpful information for folks just starting radiation, too.

    So, here's the question to answer:  If you had known before starting radation what you know now, what might you have done (the same or differently), so that radiation would go well?

    I'll post my response below.

    Linda

  • Eldub
    Eldub Posts: 276
    edited May 2009

    If I had known then what I know now...

    I would have taken the PT's advice to make sure my lumpectomy scar was completely worked loose and moving freely BEFORE radation started.  (Now the whole scar area is pretty stuck and going to take a lot to get loose...)

    I would have gotten checked for anemia and gotten that handled before starting radiation.  Not only is it associated with poorer outcomes, but I felt more exhausted at the beginning of treatment (from the anemia) than I did at the end (anemia had been well treated by then).

    I would have used Calendula Ointment on my radiated skin immediately following treatment and before bed beginning day 1, and purchased some Alra for moisturizing at other times, and some Radx to use later if I had any actual burning (though I suspect I might not have had any if I'd used the Calendula Ointment from the start).

    I wouldn't have bothered buying Biafine, Aquaphor, or My Girls Radiation Cream.  (They did nothing for me.)

    I would have stopped wearing a backpack BEFORE my underarm skin started getting irritated from it.

    Ditto a bra.  A size-too-big cami with a shelf bra worked well - just wish I had started that earlier.  (If my girls were smaller, I could have used a plain cami without the shelf bra, but I had too much skin-on-skin that way.)

    Otherwise, I'm pretty happy with the things I DID do:  exercise every day (really helped prevent the fatigue), drink lots of water, eat well and avoid sugar, and NOT SCRATCH my radiated skin, no matter how badly it itched.  I also got the support of a top-notch Naturopath and am very happy with the results of the supplements (no anti-oxidants) and other things he prescribed (he was the one who got my anemia handled, too).

    I'll come back and edit things in as I think of them...

    Linda

  • everyminute
    everyminute Posts: 1,805
    edited May 2009

    I was happy with how I made it through radiation - I initally made the appts for later in the day but found I obsessed about it all day so changed them to first thing in the am - got it over with and I could forget about it.

    I used 100% aloe gel, never had any problems. skin and implant held up well.  I also exercised daily.

    I brought a treat for the rad team every friday and on my last treatment day- bagels, donuts, brownies. 

  • Jeanne_D
    Jeanne_D Posts: 175
    edited May 2009

    I would have gotten more rest...gone to bed earlier, taken more naps.  I used the biafine, aquafor and the hydrocortisone, which worked great.  I never really burnt, except in a couple of really small places and the biafine took care of them.  I drink a lot of water, but, I drank a lot more during rad treatments.  I wrote posts on this site and one other which helped because you really can't tell the people around you what you are going thru or what you are thinking, not  even your husband.  You have to go thru this to truly understand it.  I let my house not be spotless, like it used to be and I didn't care.  Just use the cremes the radiation oncologist's tell you to use all of the time.  Drink water..lots of it.  And, REST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • nelia48
    nelia48 Posts: 539
    edited May 2009

    I burned so badly that I think I wouldn't have done it AT ALL!!!!!  It was barbaric for me! 

    Having said that, though, I did heal up rather rapidly afterwards. 

    Looking back, I would have had a LOT of tee shirts that I could just throw out later.  I got yukky cream on all of them and it didn't wash out.

    I would have been more mouthy with my radiologist.  He just didn't get it that I was hurting terribly!

    I would have not worried so much about the stabbing pains in my chest.  They went away after I was finished.

    I would have gone to my Primary Care Physician for some care for the burns.  She was more sympathetic and said I should have come to see her for help.  Darn!!!!!

    I would have been kinder to myself.  I was really irritated for being lazy, tired, and disinterested in life in general!

  • nelia48
    nelia48 Posts: 539
    edited May 2009

    And none of the creams and lotions worked for me!  So I basted myself for nothing all that time!

  • bluedasher
    bluedasher Posts: 1,203
    edited May 2009

    I would have asked them where the boundaries of the radation were. I didn't realize how far under my arm the beam was hitting and didn't apply the aloe vera and moisturizer there until about mid way through when it started getting pink. That is the only area where I have a burn and maybe it wouldn't have burned if I had been putting the stuff on it from the beginning.

  • desdemona222b
    desdemona222b Posts: 776
    edited May 2009
    I would never have let them place tape on my breast toward the end of my treatment.  I can't remember now why they put it there, but I removed it a day after my last treatment and the skin came away with it.  Yeowch!!  Frown
  • Laura3
    Laura3 Posts: 59
    edited May 2009

    Linda...

    Thanks so much for all of the advice.  I am tentatively starting on May 11th, 35 treatments.  I was wondering about all of what you said,  so it was extremely helpful.  If you think of anything else let me know.  I appreciate any advice no matter how small it may seem. Just a little anxious!

    Blessings, Laura

    I hope you are feeling well now that it is over..........

  • cp418
    cp418 Posts: 7,079
    edited May 2009

    I had my radiation treatmetns at 1pm every afternoon.  I carried a bottle of Pure Aloe gel (no alcohol) from the very first day of treatments.  Back in the dressing room I immediately applied it then again before bedtime.  Maybe apply again in the morning  - -  took shower and completely removed and washed clean prior to next treatment.

    I am very fair skinned and I believe starting early is how I got almost to the end of treatments before I had a mild burn.  So I swear by teh Aloe Gel - - - you can also keep it cold in the frig if you prefer.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2009

    I used Glaxal cream after every single treatment and I burned but not too terribly badly (I had 36 rads).

    Also - even though I was tattooed, they still used a "permanent" felt marker every day.  I wish I had worn old crappy bras because the felt marker rubbed off onto my bras and ruined them.

    Good thread!

    Cheers,

    Peggy

  • klp
    klp Posts: 1,770
    edited May 2009

    I had no regrets..everything worked like clockwork. Used emu oil before and after each tx..did not burn or even get red...it was just something else to take in stride. Did get tiresome going in each day but I didn't have to drive that far. I did not get fatigued..walked my dog each day and did exercises 3 days a week.

  • rdrake0
    rdrake0 Posts: 180
    edited May 2009

    I used the real Aloe plant.  Cut a piece about 4-5 inches long, cut off the thorns and slit it along the side opening it up that way.  It's really gooey.  But I'd rub the gooey side all over my burned skin.  I got blisters on my chest where wearing a tank top had sunburned me in the past.  So I'd hold that Aloe section, gooey side down on that area and watch TV for 30 min or more.  That really helped alot!  After that the blisters went away and didn't come back.  I'd put that Aloe section in a snack size zip-lock bag and use it many times each day.  Each section would last me about 3 days or so.  I nearly killed my plant, though!  At the end there was only one large leaf left and two baby ones coming in.  I also used the Calendula lotion, towards the end I'd put on the Aloe, let it dry and then put on the Calendula lotion on top of it.

    I had a choice between having a mastectomy and no rads or chemo or having a lumpectomy and doing rads.  Obviously I did the lumpectomy.  Now I wonder if I'd do that again.  Not sure.

  • Makratz
    Makratz Posts: 12,678
    edited May 2009

    Radiation wasn't as bad as I thought it would be.  I was petrified to do it.  I was OK!!  You will be too.  My suggestion is to start mositurizing before you start and continue through out all the rads, a couple times a day.

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Posts: 8,609
    edited May 2009

    rdrake, I used the fresh aloe too -- where I live it's a weed, so no problem with doing in a plant or two!Laughing

    If I knew then what I know now, I'd have insisted on a referral to a well-qualified lymphedema therapist for evaluation and preventative education BEFORE rads. It is now an established fact that radiation increases our lymphedema risk, but there are ways to reduce that risk that are really just simple life-style adjustments. Much easier than adjusting to having lymphedema for life!Frown Here are a couple of web pages that deal with lymphedema risk reduction, just so all of you know what I learned too late:

    http://www.lymphnet.org  (See their Position Papers on Risk Reduction, Air Travel, and Exercise)

    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/riskreduction_for_lymphedema.htm

    Be well!
    Binney

  • Mouser
    Mouser Posts: 245
    edited May 2009

    I would have "complained" more. I was warned i might get skin breakdown, so when it happened, i didn't ask to talk to the nurse. The techs just did their job, i said nothing....by the time i saw my rad onc 6 days later, i had really bad skin breakdown, and it was infected.

    Also, i wouldn't have assumed the itchy rash was just part of the skin breakdown, and might have realized that i had developed an allergy to the goop the rad onc prescribed, instead of slathering on more and more of it .... It was good goop, until the skin broke down; then i developed an allergy. That happens. But the radiologist thought it was "just" part of the infection, no big deal. So i put up with it for a week before insisting on seeing a dermatologist.

     Even if something is "normal" or "expected" -- check it out. Maybe yours is different!

  • pepesmom
    pepesmom Posts: 22
    edited May 2009

    I agree, good skin care is important from day one. My doc said no to the aloe plant beause of bacteria so I used the gel form - it worked great. I also met with the dietitian at the hospital and she helped a lot. I learned to add more protein to my diet during treatment to help with fatigue. I worked full-time through treatment and tried to walk at least 4-5 times per week - it really helped.

  • Rachel_BC
    Rachel_BC Posts: 1,386
    edited May 2009

    FWIW- here's what I wish I knew before I started:

    You're going to need some bras and some shirts you can sacrifice, either to creams and potions or to ink markings.  If they are underwire bras, you'll probably want to pull the wire out- unless you can go bra less. At the end of treatment you will want dark shirts that wont mind ink stains.

    The areas that are most likely to hurt from burns and blisters are any place you have skin- on- skin (and remember those places are different when you lie down to sleep than when you stand up) like underarm and under boob and between boobs, and any place that rubs, and any place that gets missed when you are slathering on creams and ointments.

    We have found the RAD ONC will tell you they are not radiating a certain area, like your armpit, but what they mean is they are not *purposely* radiating there.  But the angles are such and the way our body skin "drapes", skin can  get in the way and get burned. If you can see where the beam is going, there's a tip off.  

    I *think* we are basically agreed that you want to use pure aloe and calendula ointment.

    Linda provided a link to a study about using calendula:

    Phase III Randomized Trial of Calendula Officinalis Compared With Trolamine for the Prevention of Acute Dermatitis During Irradiation for Breast Cancer

    The aloe- as previously said- should probably be the "gel" form and not the plant, although the plant has helped many, because some have reaction to the plant.  

      If and when it gets bad you'll want these petroleum antibiotic bandages and covers,  If you are using silver sulfadine cream (which a lot do, but my RAD ONC said no) some gals found the silver sulfadine cream easier to use by putting the cream on a bandage first, then applying the bandage with the cream already spread on it.  Be aware that your skin will probably come off with the silver sulfadine.  When I got bad burns and broken skin, it was Bacitracin with the petroleum bandages that really helped - and probably wont pull your skin off with it, especially if you take them off in the shower as they loosen. Of course, no shower water directly on your radiated skin, and use tepid shower water.

    Advil is the pain med of choice, stopping inflamation and possibly easier on yoru stomach. The pain is from 2 things, the radiation makes everything swell, including muscles and stuff under your skin.  This is what the ibuprofen is about, chow down on them.  The other thing is the burning skin, which starts as red bumps that become blisters, which will open.

    Get a surgical pen for them to mark you up with instead of the sharpies they generally use.  Sharpies are not FDA approved for use on the skin, of course surgical pens are.

    In my case, I was able to get fluorescent tattoos instead of little black specks.  Fluorescent means they dont show in nornal light.

    You probably should check out this article 

    Phase I-II Trial of Prone Accelerated Intensity Modulated Radiation Therapy to the Breast to Optimally Spare Normal Tissue (download the pdf, the images are pretty amazing)

    about how to avoid getting your heart and lung in the beam, although even when the beam does hit the heart and lung, there is negligible risk.

     

    Cut a soft t shirt into LARGE swaths to cover your skin when you have the creams on, and if you collect boob sweat, use swaths instead of any kind of powder,  even corn starch.

    If and when they get to boosts and want an outline drawn on your body for their beam, see if they can use smaller marks, just to minimize the ink mess for you.

    I found vests useful. (nelia found tight men's t shirts to be useful for same thing, keeping the bandages in place)

    The fatigue is weird, and all the symptoms are weird in that they are not exactly consistent.  Great one day, crap the next, great again, and now at the end its really crappy burns for 5 days so far.  I'm also the only person anyone knows who had a BIG reaction the FIRST day- that went away the second day.  ::shrug:::

    Appointments around lunchtime work out best because you can get a nap in before the appointment, and then you have some time in the afternoon to get things done.

    At my center I can bring my own music during treatments, nice people both patients and techs.

    I also wear my fancy velvet gloves to hold the handle bar during treatments, partially because  I dont like the idea of grabbing a bar that may have other peoples cooties on them, and partically because its kinda funny and fun.

    It doesn't hurt or anything during the treatments, but its really weird especially if you think about what they are doing.

    As much as it can burn and blister and all that - and some people it just DOESN'T, they have no problem like this- it seems that once it starts to clear up it happens really fast (or seems to) .

    nelia had another good rule, if you put it on and it stings, stop using it.

    I agree 100% with the advice previously given on this thread, it's worth repeating to drink lots of water and get some exercise to manage the fatigue.

    And it's really worth it to repeat: COMPLAIN MORE, SPEAK UP, DO NOT TRY TO BE A HERO.   Even though I complained, they failed to look under my boob, and I had pointless hellish days and a weekend too horrible to repeat because they didn't see the problem- because they didn't look and I didn't show them.  When they finally saw the wound they actually said I should have been taking massive hydrocodone.  But- as soon as I put the Bacitracin and petroleum bandages on- and left them for 2 days- it stopped hurting within minutes.  

    man, I know nothing about the emu oil.

    and Jeanne_D is completely right about other people not understanding and letting housework go.  Made some great pals and fun in the waiting room for radiation though :)

    One more thing: Now that I am one week out from RADS I am reading a list of  "Symptoms" I wrote BEFORE RADS.  I wrote down my nausea, moodiness, periods, pains in boobs, which boob was larger, took pics... and I am glad I did.  I feel fairly normal, aside from the boost spot which is red, but my radiated boob is larger.  I just checked the symptoms list... it was before.   :) 

  • ggb
    ggb Posts: 5
    edited May 2009

    I finished my mammosite radiation 2 weeks ago.  For the most part, it went pretty good, I still have alot of fluid from the lumpectomy and probably some from the mammosite.  I went for my two week recheck, both the radiologist and the oncologist seemed pleased.  They both advised daily massage, BUT, I hate it.  It is so irritating, and leaves me so sore afterwards.  Its the strangest pain ever...has anyone else had problems with the lymph node biopsy?  All in all, the lumpectomy was a piece of cake...it has its small issues, but the lymph node bx has been the killer.  My arm is numb all the way to my elbow, it my arm and underarm *prior to radiation, have a severly burnt feeling.  I know it wasn't burnt prior to radiation...but they feel very raw, and its hard to put my arm down so it touches my torso.  The only thing that has helped alot is baby powder...it seems to lessen the friction between the two "skins" .  How long does this last?  Now that the radiation is over with...that feeling is going to the breast also.  Any adivse out there?

    thanks.

    ggb

  • Tabbygirl521
    Tabbygirl521 Posts: 193
    edited May 2009

    Congrats, Linda!! At my treatment facility they ring a big bell for all to hear when someone completes their last round. Mine made me cry..!

    I didn't have any problems until right after treatment ended, when my skin wept and peeled a little. It resolved quickly, though. I had used aloe vera gel throughout, and I seem to recall I stopped using it when treatment ended (because I was fine, right? HA). I am due for another round of rads due to a new primary, and this time I will use the gel well past the last treatment.

    I would also have been more diligent in keeping/expanding my range of motion. It's a bit restricted still because I didn't pay enough attention - head in the sand, I guess, because everything else went very well.

    I walked to treatment every day (about a mile, roundtrip), which forced me to get daily exercise, and I think that was a big help in keeping my stamina up. So this time, I will actually try to exceed that a little, as I did get somewhat fatigued last time - again, noticed it after treatments ended. It was not debilitating, but I did tend to need more recovery time than usual after exertion.

    I took the staff homemade cookies on my last day. Everyone was so phenomenal!

  • ddlatt
    ddlatt Posts: 448
    edited May 2009

    thanks so much for all this info!  i'm interested in getting input from women who have had double mastectomies. i will be having 35 radiation treatments about 5 inches to the right of the very center of my chest. the tumor was 1mm from the chest wall. for those of you who have had double mastectomies and radiation only on your chest, what was your experience like?

  • ccbaby
    ccbaby Posts: 985
    edited August 2009

    I just started rads, thanks for the great advice!

  • BarbAnne41
    BarbAnne41 Posts: 380
    edited August 2009

    I just finished 35 radiation treatments on Friday the 28th. I start 5 months of chemo in late September but at least part of the process is done!

     My doctor and the radiation team always raved about how well my skin handled the treatment and I attribute it to Eucerin twice a day and lots and lots of water. That is all I drank, everyday all day.

    I also folded a Kleenex into my bra every morning because it helped to protect my bras and shirts, a little, from the radiation pen marks and kept the bra seams from making my skin itch.

    I am not sure if I saw it mentioned above, but since I wasn't allowed to wear deodorant for the last seven weeks my doctor recommended baby cornstarch.  So I carried around those little powder applicators you find in powdered makeup. Only they were new from the makeup accessory isle. In a sandwich bag with a little cornstarch that helped me to feel fresher throughout the day.

    Just like many of you I made time to go on walks everyday-it really does help.

    And I also toook my radiation staff treats a couple time-donut holes. Doing something nice for them made me feel better about them having to push me around on the table until my tattoos lined up with the lasers.

    Oh and I don't know if any other facilities do this, I like the bell Tabbygirl, mine has a book where on our last day we can enter our thoughts, advice, wisdom, etc.. for other patients in the radiation waiting room. It was nice to read what kept everyone going.

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