Newly DX'd I have a question.

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Hi,

Can anyone tell me?  I have just been put on Arimidex as my cells are highly receptive

to Estrogen Hormone Blocking.  I would also like to add a new diet to my regiman and some holistic approaches. I have already added meditation and spiritual retreats.   I just started the Arimidex this morning.

 I was wondering if anyone knows --- our fat cells retain the Estrogen Hormone.  I am overweight, is it OK to diet or as the fat cells break down will dieting release the Estrogen Hormone into my system so the Arimidex is fighting double hard to do it's job.  I have a minor in Biology so I have some knowledge of cell structure and how cells work.  I suppose I could ask my oncologist but I have been through a barrage of doctors in the last six days and need a break from doctors right now.  (smiling) Actually my oncologist understands my need for a doctor break and doesn't want me back to see him for two weeks. 

Thanks,

PamW1

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  • orange1
    orange1 Member Posts: 930
    edited March 2009

    Fat cells produce estrogen.  So over the long term, loosing fat should reduce the amount of estrogen in your body.

    Jackie

  • amE2
    amE2 Member Posts: 97
    edited March 2009

    Thanks Jackie,

    You have a point as they said looking at my markers is senseless for a while as the Arimidex is killing a bunch of the cancer cells and the numbers will be high for a while.  Well, heck if I diet now, what difference would it make.  I suppose it's what the results are in the long run that count.  Makes sense to me.

    Thanks again.

    Pam

  • carol1949
    carol1949 Member Posts: 562
    edited March 2009

    Pam,  Almost everything I read regarding diet suggests to lower our fat content and eat more organically.  I would suggest for you to do a ton of research on your own... and "Listen to YOUR heart".  It sounds like you are on the road to being cancer free!!!

    Check out Patrick Quillin's Beating Cancer with Nutrition.  (You can Google him)

  • althea
    althea Member Posts: 1,595
    edited March 2009

    I don't know what your oncologist would say, but I can share things I've been learning about 'detoxing'.  Several authors speak to this matter, and the most recent author I've read is Natalia Rose.  Hopefully, if you're going to lose weight, you'll be doing so with healthier food choices.  As these changes occur, toxins that reside in our tissues can be released.  Ideally, they will exit through the digestive tract, but if things aren't moving through at a sufficient rate, the toxins will reabsorb into the body. 

    The importance of colon health is a recurring theme as I read more and more about alternative therapies and natural healing.  I didn't ever used to pay much attention to such matters.  A rather indelicate topic imo.  I didn't ever take arimidex, but I did take tamoxifen, and that darn pill made me constipated all the time until I started eating flaxseed for breakfast.  If you find arimidex is doing the same thing to you, I think you would benefit tremendously in all manner of ways to figure out what will keep things moving through.  It's not a good thing for anyone to get backed up, but I think it's especially important for us as cancer patients and survivors to be aware that it's a very deleterious state for us. 

  • Katalin
    Katalin Member Posts: 230
    edited March 2009

    Is it possible for you to see a naturopath who specializes in treating women with cancer?  Mine was VERY helpful in getting my diet cleaned up (it was pretty painless and immediately helpful) and she also has suggested the few supplements that work for my situation.  It's so hard to do it all yourself!  Good luck!

  • FloridaLady
    FloridaLady Member Posts: 2,155
    edited March 2009

    Great input althea....poor elimination makes a toxic body.  I read this everywhere.  That is why to much dairy and meat is so hard on your stomach and colon. It takes way to long to digest these. Pamw1 I would try a diet leaving both of these out for the next few months. Than only add back in small amounts.

    I was given a detox diet and did it after my first two years of treatment.  It was tough but I felt better within a few weeks. After two months I felt the best I had in years.  After two months I know longer had high blood pressure and cholesterol from chemo.  I had no fatigue either!

    Flalady

  • amE2
    amE2 Member Posts: 97
    edited March 2009

    THank you all,

    Hey FLA lady where are you in FLA I am on the West Coast.

     You have all had excellent suggestions and several I am going to use to study up on and several I am going to try.  Not to be indelicate also but I agree with you.  The way to get these dead cells out of my body is to keep them moving on to a new and better home.  LOL

    Thank you, thank you.

    I am beginning to love these forums.

    Pam

  • SusieMTN
    SusieMTN Member Posts: 795
    edited March 2009

    PamW1 :  Wanted to give you my point of view.  Doctors do what they know, we do our (in my case neoadjunt chemo) chemo, surgery, radiation and take our anti-hormonals.  I felt like it was then up to me to get my weight off as like you I am overweight, I felt that was my job and I needed to do everthing in my control to battle BC.  The doctors did theirs now it was my turn to do mine.  I have tried various weight loss things, currently weight watchers and I am adding counting calories to be a bit mor diligent.  My cancer has a greater chance of recurrance, I don't plan on that happening (to be positive) but I want to do all I can do to make sure it doesn't happen.  As I am ER, PR and HER2 positive I am on both Herceptin and Arimidex.  Check with your doctor before doing a weight loss thing as mine said WEIGHT WATCHERS was OK but NOT some weird starvation type diet as it would mess up my blood tests.  Now it was next to impossible for me with steroids given while on chemo, they make me REALLY hungry.  He also said to avoid any estrogen promoting supplements, one I was taking was cordyceps which should never be used by women with fibrocyctic breast or those with breast cancer.  He also said not to use any antioxidants as they undue what chemo does.  (Chemo causes free radicals and anitoxidants get rid of free radicals) Always do your due diligence.  Have you been given a treatment plan yet?

    So just my 2 cents!  Wishing you loads of good luck and health!  Hugs to you!

    Susie

  • FloridaLady
    FloridaLady Member Posts: 2,155
    edited March 2009

    I would like to see proof that diet has any negative effect on blood work.  The only SMALL concern is if you are blood thinners. A good diet only improves your blood.  The only concern with diets while in treatment is if you are under weight going in. Doctor's do no want you to lose too much weight.  Also there is no proof antioxidants undue chemo. They have researched this and never came back with hard core findings.  Again while in chemo try to get your antioxidants from foods you eat.  If you are not eating well you need to supplement. Most oncologist will tell you to don't mega dose any supplements while in treatment, but supplements are Ok.  There is no proof that your body needs to "crash" while on chemo to get it to work.  Please do more research before making decision how you want to support your health while in treatment.  Remember to read multiple studies.

    Pam- I'm east coast.  Aren't you loving this weather right now?

    Flalady

  • FloridaLady
    FloridaLady Member Posts: 2,155
    edited March 2009

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