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  • Renrel
    Renrel Member Posts: 497
    edited February 2009

    Alo - I am jealous - DH and I attended one or two buffet concerts and the party before hand in the parking lot is amazing. I had never seen anything like it before or since.  All these elaborate bbq and drinking set ups.  Couches, tiki bars, men with coconut bras, inflatable palm trees, unbelievable.  Gotta love the creativity put into stuff like that just for the sake of doing it. 

    Ddlatt- Sorry you are being beat up but the neulasta. I hope you feel better soon.

    Real quiet day at home today. DH and I slept as late as college students and DS veged in front of the tv all morning.  We played some ball in the yard this afternoon to celebrate the snow all melting.   Then DH and I took turns doing some small chores around the house and playing individually with DS.  Stil have not baked the cookies but I did look up a recipe.  

  • sweeeeetpam
    sweeeeetpam Member Posts: 115
    edited March 2009

    Hi Everyone,

           Seems like things are going ok with everyone!!! Someone asked about how long on the taxol.......mine is 4 hours...................I only have 2 more to go. Worked 12 hours straight yeserday after my nuelastra shot............still seem to be OK.

                Daughter home from college, they are so self involved at that time. ddlatt need to go find the link to your pictures. Everyone have a great weekend!!! Pamela 

  • jillyG
    jillyG Member Posts: 401
    edited March 2009

    Here's a new one......I am day 5 after AC #3 and by now I am usually just tired, but yesterday all of a sudden I felt like I had skin pain......I know I am not describing that very well, but it hurts to touch my skin....anywhere.....on my cheeks, arms, back, anywhere.  I feel bruised or sore or something when I touch my skin.....like a hug would hurt right now.  I also feel like I've been hit by a train.  the only thing different this time around was that I took Emend which I had never taken before.  I am wondering whether the Emend has something to do with it, or whether I am starting to feel the cumulative effect of the 3 AC tx's.   Anyone else have skin sensitivity or anything like that??  Hope everyone is having a great weekend, I took the kids to see Bolt which is a 3D kids movie about a little dog, it was cute.  Take care Jewels!

    Jill

  • misty123
    misty123 Member Posts: 242
    edited March 2009

    ddlatt ~ thank you for sharing those beautiful photos, you are truly talented and as inspiration to us all. I have made up my mind to do the bi-lat mast without recon because I see we can still be beautiful w/o the extra work. good luck with the article and keep up the good work.

    Ladies ~ I wish you all less SE, 3 down and 1 to go and I am so looking forward to this chapter in my life to be over, #3 is truly kicking my a** and I pray the last one is better.

  • misty123
    misty123 Member Posts: 242
    edited March 2009

    jillyG ~ I always have that effect but I take the TC then the nuelasta shot, it hurts all over and if you look at me too long it hurts even worse. The skin on my neck seemed to hurt the most this time and I cannot cross my legs (a habit) at all, any pressure hurts like hell, even the water from the shower but this time my nose has been bleeding also. So is chemo, I pray all of this means it's working very well.

  • KM47
    KM47 Member Posts: 65
    edited March 2009

    Wow, I have been away from the forum for a while and am overwhelmed by all that has gone on while I've been away. I've been busy with work and have managed to get back into running (albeit very short runs at snail's pace) which bring a smile to my face. So just haven't had the time to check the forum out.

    I was meant to have my 3rd chemo last Thursday but unfortunately my white blood cell count was too low. Before my second one it was 1.5 so I was borderline (they told me it needed to be 1.5 or above). Unfortunately last week it was only 0.4 so I had to wait.

    I'm going into the hospital tomorrow morning for another blood test and if the white blood count is high enough they'll give me the chemo then. If not, I'm not sure what happens next. I'm meant to be heading away for a week's holiday on Tuesday so I'm really hopeful the count will be high enough to go ahead otherwise I might not be able to go.

    The annoying thing is that I feel absolutely fine....so frustrating to have to wait...

    This is my last treatment of FEC before switching to Docetaxol (I think it's known os taxotere in the US). Jess, you were asking about it. My oncologist says you're less likely to get nausea and vomiting on it but that it's more likely to make you tired and give you muscle aches etc.  Time will tell of course - no-one ever knows how individuals will react I guess.

    Hope all is as well as possible with you guys.

  • holtbolt
    holtbolt Member Posts: 625
    edited March 2009

    Jilly - I know what you mean about skin pain.  I get that too for a day or two, especially on my neck and shoulders.. it's weird... I don't know which drug causes that...

    Misty - I don't think you will regret that decision.  Yes, you will still be beautiful and you'll be smiling more because you'll have less anxiety about potential problems with that other side.  I had a bi-lat with no recon... I have no idea whether or not someday I will do reconstruction, right now peace of mind is more important to me. 

    KM47 - good luck on your WBC... I hope you stay on schedule!

    You know how sometimes there's a song that you never forget and it reminds you of a certain time in your life?  I am a big John Mayer fan and this song, Stop This Train, is it for me right now.  I play it all the time, especially when I feel overwelmed with all this cancer stuff and I can't "take the speed this (cancer) train is moving in".... for some reason it makes me feel better even if it makes me cry first... lol.......  I know John didn't write it about cancer but it just struck a chord with me....thought I'd share it...

    http://www.ilike.com/artist/John+Mayer/track/Stop+This+Train

    Treatment 3 is Tuesday for me.... for those of you with me next week... let's put our boxing gloves on and come out fighting... 

  • BevR
    BevR Member Posts: 101
    edited March 2009

    Day 3 -- yesterday (Sat.) after 3rd treatment was absolutely the worst I've experienced! I hurt on every inch of my body! My skin, my joints, my teeth, etc. Today, I'm better today but still very sore in my neck and legs feel wobbly.....yuk!  I hope this week gets better.....I'm all alone this week so it should be interesting......

  • jrgolomb
    jrgolomb Member Posts: 1,236
    edited March 2009

    FEC buddy--so sorry you had to wait.  I have had  a tough time #3 -very sore. slight fever...better today, but tired as heck. 

    <:AtomicElement>I wonder what my wbc will be next week.  Halfway there...taxotere next.  Very nervous about that, but I hope I don't have the nausea issue I had with the FEC.

    <:AtomicElement>DDLatt--how do I find your photos?  Missed that somewhere.  Sorry. 

    <:AtomicElement>Hugs to all.

  • BerkeleyKim
    BerkeleyKim Member Posts: 390
    edited March 2009

    Holtbolt-Thanks for the song link! (I've been chanting the Little Train's "I think I can..I know I can") But I was thinking about what a long ride it's been since my Nurse Prac. found my small lump in September--It will be 6 months this March 5. I've wanted to get off the train--tried to trick myself in the past that it was a mistake (I'm over that!). And am trying to visualize good things around the next bend instead of the scary. Good luck on Thurs. I'll be putting on my gloves on Friday (every week now!!!)

    Good luck Jilly, Bev, Misty with the Body Aches. Dp you take anything for the pain? I'm so nervous about that since I had my 1st Taxol last Thurs, and I had some leg pain and bone pain yesterday.

    KM47-Hope your counts go up so you can get treatment out of the way. Do you get the Neulasta or Neupogen?

  • kt57
    kt57 Member Posts: 425
    edited March 2009

    Hello Jewels... March is "in like a lamb" in Northern WI.  Never thought I'd be happy to see time fly, but turning the calendar ahead another month is such a wonderful feeling-- we made it through the last many months, will will get through those ahead and continue to thrive for many, many, many more calendar turns...

    Hope you are all well.

  • lisalisa
    lisalisa Member Posts: 824
    edited March 2009

    Hi all,

    I'm day 6 of my 4th TC cycle.  This one has hit me harder....I've been feeling a bit achy everyday.  Ugh.  Tomorrow (day 7) is usually my worst....I'm hoping that will be different this cycle too.

     I did get EXCITING NEWS!!!!  I keep my online journal at Caring Bridge.  They emailed me and asked if I'd like to do some PR/MEdia with them to promote Caring Bridge in California!  So, I have an interview tomorrow to talk about it!!!

    Will keep you posted on that!  but, I would LOVE to spread the word on breast cancer, how to help those diagnosed, etc. etc.

     Ok....off to my son's basketball game.  Wish I could lay around all day long....

  • shockedat39
    shockedat39 Member Posts: 252
    edited March 2009

    Hey crew,

    I hope everyone is feeling ok today.  It rained all weekend and we took full advantage by basically doing NOTHING!!  It was wonderful.

    So I know this is a chemo thread. but just wondering if any of the other Jan Jewels are having your tissue expanders...um...expanded at the moment?  Haven't seen much posted about it.  I'm in the middle of it and had 100 ccs in each one on Friday.  It was PAINFUL!!!  In fact, the last two have been.  I only have a couple more to go thank goodness.

    I probably should take this to the recon board but I'm just wondering if I'm the only nutter who is doing this and chemo at the same time :)

    Everyone feel good and take care of yourselves!

    Diane 

  • KM47
    KM47 Member Posts: 65
    edited March 2009

    Hi

    Thanks for those who wished me well with my WBC  -- today it was up to 2.7! So I was able to go ahead with my 3rd round. I'm hoping I'll be able to head way tomorrow as planned. I feel a lot more fuzzy-headed than I did the previous two times and more tired but I guess that's what you get when you keep having intravenous drugs! I thought I felt a bit of nausea coming on before and remembered a tip I read on here somewhere about having an iceblock (I'm not sure if you call them that in the States -- I'm talking about a frozen lolly on a stick!). Well I had a lemonade one and it made me feel instantly better! So I recommend that to everyone.

    Jess, yes that's a good point - I forgotten that we were half way through now. My oncologist is adament the nausea is less likely with the taxotere than the FEC so hopefully you'll be pleasantly surprised! Of course we may both be so tired and achy we won't notice! Interesting you had a tough time with #3. I only had my treatment this morning (and it's late afternoon as I write this) and so far I feel okay but very tired and have had a couple of waves of what I think were nausea but I'm not sure if it's in my head. I'm hoping I stay okay to fly out of town tomorrow morning...

    BerkelyKim - Neulasta or Neupogen have not been offered. I had a friend who had quite strong chemo last year - she had to have her treatment every two weeks and had to inject herself with something (which I presume was Neulasta or something like it) every night after the first week to ensure her count would be high enough for her next treatment. However for those of us having three-weekly treatment it doesn't appear to be an option. Is it a standard thing in the US? I must ask about my oncologist. Perhaps they may use it here if your WBC just doesn't move.

    Think I will go and lie on the sofa. I tried to have a nap in bed earlier but although I'm tired I couldn't seem to be able to nap for more than half an hour or so. I'm not sure how I can be tired but not sleepy...perhaps the steroids are to blame!

    Hugs to all

    K.

  • Renrel
    Renrel Member Posts: 497
    edited March 2009

    KM47- I am on a every three week cycle and did not automaticaly get Neulasta but after ending up in the hospital with extreme low WBC cycle one it was added to my regiment. My onc seems to be of the minimalist persuation.  The only things that are automatic are decoton or whatever the steroid name is and some zofran pills before infusion and infusion is just the cytoxan, taxotere and saline.  I have other pills I can take at home as needed for nausea and heartburn but nothing else is required only as needed.

    lisalisa - Your news is exiting.  Sounds great.  What kind of stuff do they want you to do? 

    Shocked - I finished my expansion just before starting Chemo.  They could have overlapped if I had not taken so long to decided on treatment or if I wanted to be bigger.  The only one that really hurt me was the first one.  That one I got after pains that were worse then any I had with the surgury.  I found that taking some motrin before the injection helped.  

     This morning I took my son to a Purim event and then in the afternoon DH took him to the aqurium with friends.  One friend going had a bug so we decided that I would stay home.  I was feeling a bit tired and laid down with my guided imagary playlist on my Ipod around 1:30 and did not wake up till 5pm.  I remember none of the guide imagary.  I guess I am more fatigued than I realize.  

    It is snowing here. I was supposed to take DS for kIndergarden registration tomorrow but school has been closed.  Looks like the whole family may be home tomorrow.  DH plans to work from home, I am still on leave and I don't think I will want to drive DS into preschool in the city and then pick him up again in the evening if the roads are a mess.  Wish I had gone food shopping instead of napping this afternoon.  My menu for the week is going to be mess up if I don't shop tomorrow. 

  • holtbolt
    holtbolt Member Posts: 625
    edited March 2009
    lisalisa - that is exciting!  Your site is great.. I can understand why they chose you... !!
  • jillyG
    jillyG Member Posts: 401
    edited March 2009

    Good morning Jewels!  It is a gorgeous day in Lethbridge, Alberta!  We're going to run out and do errands and get groceries and my hubby said he is going to wear shorts, it's so warm right now.  March in Canada is usually not shorts weather, but it's been so mild lately.  A lot of people wear shorts when we get a blast of mild weather, just for the fun of it....

    I have never been offered Neulasta, it's never even come up in conversation, but my counts are often low, so I wish it had been mentioned.  I am on AC every 3 weeks.  Also, it seems that dependent on the Country you live, WBC counts have to be a certain amount to get chemo, but they differ.  My cancer centre called me when my WBC was 3.2 and said that they liked them to be 3.5 to get chemo, thankfully they came up that weekened.  In New Zealand, you can get chemo with a WBC of 2.7?  It's interesting to get info on other countries, it's neat to see the variations in treatment. 

    In exactly 2 more weeks I will be having my last chemo !!!!!!  I am so pumped about that, I know that walking into that chemo room will be easier knowing I am not going back there ever again.  I never want to see another red syringe for the rest of my life!  At my next appt I am going to ask my oncologist to refer me to a surgeon to get my ovaries and uterus out. 

    Have a great SE free day everyone!

    Jill

  • sweeeeetpam
    sweeeeetpam Member Posts: 115
    edited March 2009

    Hi there,

               I was on a/c for every 3 weeks and always got as nulestra shot the day after, my counts have been 11, and 18....sdo I am confused that other numbers seem so low????? Now I do Taxol then shot next day.........only 2 more tooo go!!!! I just schuduled to get my port out on April 23..............................Yaa  hoo!!!!!  I did not do any recon, had read way too much pain and issues , still ok with that decision at this time.

                      I just needed to get on with my life as fast as I could without any more problems. Every one thinks differenlty about that. I only did one breast and now think I should of just done both.....................just in case...................It is 88 here today, way too hot for me.

                   Have a good night everyone off to shower and watch tv!!  Pamela 

  • Bev56
    Bev56 Member Posts: 33
    edited March 2009

       Oh how I wish it was 88 and sunny here! Instead it's 15 and snowy!

       Has anyone's eyebrows thinned out or fell out yet? Mine didn't and I was wondering if the eyebrows and lashes won't be affected like the rest of the hair was.

       It's so nice to see how far we progressed with our treatments. I go for TC #3 on Thursday. Only 1 more after that. So today I was very energetic and decided to clean out the kitchen cabinets. Next week I won't feel like doing anything so I'm trying to spring clean when I feel good. I go back to work in the beginning of April and start radiation then so I know I won't have any energy for anything else.

      Someone else posted that they love watching LOST. Well so do I. I watch last weeks episode again to try to figure things out before I watch the new episode. It is so addictive (and confusing)!

      Congratulations to you talented women with your photography and articles. What a great inspiring way to reach out to other women.

      Good night and I hope you all have a good week.

  • lisalisa
    lisalisa Member Posts: 824
    edited March 2009

    like clockwork.....today is day 7 and i have back pain from the neulasta.  i was hoping to bypass it this time.  oh well....i'm sure i'll feel better tomorrow or the next day.  cycle 4 done (almost).  2 more to go.

     i called today to set appointments with 2 radiation oncologists and a gyn referred by my oncologoist.  good thing i called the gyn....i can't get in for 3 months!  but, he's supposed to be the best and i want to have the hysterectomy/ooph conversation with him.

     i had my interview with caring bridges today.  it went well.  they are pitching my story to a few news outlets including print, local tv and national tv.  i'm sure it won't happen fast but nice to know that it IS in the works!

  • BerkeleyKim
    BerkeleyKim Member Posts: 390
    edited March 2009

    Lisalisa--good luck with the caringbridge PR. I've look at your site and you have so many friends and visitors! It's great! After you meet with the rad oncs., I'd be interested in hearing what they have to say about timeline for rads after chemo. My rad onc. said it reduces chances of local recurrence but doesn't extend survival. Part of me thinks why bother? I need to talk with my onc.

    BevR-I love LOST! Last week's has me totally confused now as to who is who. I don't watch all that carefully, so I don't notice all the hints and different allusions.

    And I've been cleared to work T, W, Th, so I'll have to watch on the internet now. I visted today for just 3 hours and was so tired. I hope I can do it. I'm pretty nervous.

    My onc just checked my vit D again--it's lower than in Sept. when I started all this and I've been taking Vit D, which I never had done before. Anyone else have this checked?

  • Renrel
    Renrel Member Posts: 497
    edited March 2009

    Bev56 - I will be doing T/C #3 on Wednsday and either my eyebrows or my lashes are thinning.  I keep finding little hairs on my face near my eyes but not enough have fallen out to be really noticable yet or to tell where they are coming from.  I did pull on some eyebrow hairs that came out easily so I think it is my eyebrows but they are so full it will hopefully  take a while for them all too fall out and maybe not all will. 

  • BevR
    BevR Member Posts: 101
    edited March 2009

    Day 6 after 3rd treatment and I'm finally feeling like a human again! This treatment was by far the worst so far. Usually, day 7 my WBC will be low and I'll feel very tired. But at least I won't be in pain! (I hope.)

    My eyelashes and brows have thinned a little but are still there. That is good for my eyebrows as they were very thick before. Now they have a nice shape! One positive to result from this awful experience!

    I worked 6 hours yesterday, and hope to do the same today.....tomorrow I don't know with the blood counts down I might work at home....the "Cleaning for a Reason" will be doing my house, what a blessing!

    Have a great day everyone!

  • rsben70
    rsben70 Member Posts: 137
    edited March 2009

    well had tx #3 on thursday and it is taking so much longer to get my strength back, i am still so tired and ache all over.  taste buds are gone they have been coming back but not yet this time, the only thing that tastes good now is sweet stuff, like that is good for me. 

    my eyebrows and lashes are thinning too, hoping they all don't come out.

    it is cold here, had a pretty snow, kids were out of school, drug myself into work today to try to save a few hours of time for tx.

    hope everyone is well,

    hugs

  • ladyjane54
    ladyjane54 Member Posts: 192
    edited March 2009

    Hi everyone:  Been awhile since I have logged on.  Will go back to read and catch up with you all after I post.  Just really feel the need to say I am sick and tired of being sick and tired!!!  I am really on the pity pot today so if you are in a good mood and really don't want to bring yourself down you might want to skip this posting.

    I just spent another 3 days in the hospital after my 4th Ac treatment.  WBC were 0 again and started running fever.  They are now talking about having to change/delay treatment because this is my 2nd hospitalization.  That is my biggest downer right now.  I really just want this over.  I am starting to feel like this will never end.  And there is no guarantee I won't get cancer again.... My left breast which is the one I had a lumpectomy on has been painful around the nipple and just feels weird. Could the cancer come back even while I am in treatment?  I did not think so but I am beginning to worry.  Of course I am in the worrying frame of mind right now.

    Have a nice rash under my right breast right now that is painful and itchy.  Guess I shouldn't complain too much as most of you had mastectomy and don't have breast anymore.  I am beginning to wish I was born a man...because on top of everything else I have a good yeast infection going on and that also is itchy and painful.

    The bald thing is getting to me again.  Was hard to become bald..then I accepted it and it wasn't so bad...now I am really sick of feeling like a freak of nature everywhere I go.

    Got off school yesterday because of snow.  Took today because I just don't feel like doing it.  That scares me.  My job has kept me sane and now I find no pleasure in it.  I just want to sit and cry.

    Well better go now.  I warned you not to read this. Hope I didn't ruin anyones day. Patti

  • PrincessKauai59
    PrincessKauai59 Member Posts: 288
    edited March 2009

    Dragged my a_ _ to my 10th Taxol yesterday (only 2 to go, yea!).  I weighed in at a whooping 10 lb more than when I started chemo.  My wt. had been stable during the three months of AC.  I think it's the weekly dexamethasone that's getting me on this front, or maybe it's the margaritas that DH made for my b-day party on Sunday...

    When I got to chemo clinic yesterday, I had a "newbie" chemo nurse, not a newbie nurse, just new to oncology since she usually works in the ER.  I felt a little panic as she walked me back to the infusion room, and, in fact, she "missed" when trying to place my IV line for the day.  She brought in one of my other favorite nurses, who got it going.  I have such respect and trust in most all of the other oncology nurses - such professionals.  Only two more Taxol's to go!  Will be done by St. Patty's Day.

    p.s. to LadyJane - - hang in there, my prayers go out to you.  

  • rsben70
    rsben70 Member Posts: 137
    edited March 2009

    patty i am right there with you, just sick and tired of it all. 

    the bald thing gets to me too, i can understand kids being curious and asking questions but adults making comments and remarks that i think is meant to hurt, i overheard a man where i work say that bald women were just freaky.

    hugs to all

  • ddlatt
    ddlatt Member Posts: 448
    edited March 2009

    Jilly G - i had the exact reaction to emend. i only took one pill and then told my doc i wasn't taking any more.  it was the worst i'd ever felt after chemo.  i always feel very sore (especially my neck and face) after the neulasta shot, but that emend was just awful.

     Misty124 - that means a lot to me, what you said about having a bilateral without reconstruction. thank you.

     lisalisa - congratulations!!!!!!!!!  you go, girl!

    i'm day 6 after my last AC and it's taken this long to feel better. i start taxol on march 11.  honestly, if i didn't have kids and a mom who depends on me, i wouldn't finish treatment. i'm a "let nature take its course" kind of person anyway. after a lifetime of feeling so healthy and so great, this whole chemo experience has been total hell for me. i lucked out and had it easy with the first two ACs, but these last two did me in.  i have heard taxol is better in some respects, but i'm having a really hard time making myself go through with this. 

  • ladyjane54
    ladyjane54 Member Posts: 192
    edited March 2009

    princess - thanks for the prayers.  We all need them

      ddlatt - Your pictures are great.  I really admire those of you who are actively doing something to help others with bc.  I personally feel too tired to think about helping anyone and that makes me feel selfish which I am not usually.  I feel very self-consumed lately.

    Should have logged on sooner as I went back to read the  postings I have missed I realized that we have all been having a hard time this past week or two.  I don't know why, maybe because they say misery loves company, but knowing I am not the only one feeling like I want to quit and have had enough makes me feel alittle better.  Gives me hope. I wonder if being halfway through, which should make me happy has had the opposite effect on me and I am feeling I can't believe I am ONLY halfway through.  I do feel like this has been going on forever.

    Been reading all along about the neulasta shot and the SEs people have gotten from it and I was grateful I haven't had any.  Now I am wondering if it is because the shot is not working for me. I have had it after every treatment and my WBCs have been low all along.  Hitting 0 after the first and fourth AC.

    Are people still getting the shot after taxotere too?  My dr. hasn't mentioned whether I will or not.

    First taxotere is scheduled for thurs. the dr. who came to see me in the hospital over the weekend indicated my dr. may want to rethink my treatment and I am not sure if I really want it to happen as scheduled or not.  I am very nervous about changing drugs. At least with the AC I was kind of figuring out what to expect and when.  Whole new ballgame starting this week.  

    Patti

  • shockedat39
    shockedat39 Member Posts: 252
    edited March 2009

    Wow, ladyjane, it's like you read my mind.  I feel the same way about being half way through.  I was excited for about an hour and then I realized "Ugh..I'm only frigging half way through"

    I'm so apprehensive about starting Taxol on Friday.  Everyone (my doctor and nurses included) insists it will be much easier but I'm really skeptical.  I'm doing only 4 so I guess that's dense dose?

    I will be giving myself the Neupogen shots after Taxol.  I could have done Neulasta but it was bad enough that I feel like it's worth trying something different.  Supposedly it's better because it comes in small doses.

    The wonderful thing about this thread is that I can always find someone who's on the same schedule/page with me.

    By the way, has anyone else experienced this?  My eyebrows have not fallen out BUT I haven't had to have them waxed in over a month.  Normally I'd look like Bert (of Bert and Ernie) but they've remained a really nice shape.  So they're not falling out but they're not growing back either.  Legs are the same way...I only have to shave less than once a week.

    Everyone feel good and take care of yourself.

    Diane 

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