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  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited February 2009

    This is exciting news.  I love progress!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      

    Holder: U.S. a 'nation of cowards' on race discussions WASHINGTON (CNN) -- In a blunt assessment of race relations in the United States, Attorney General Eric Holder Wednesday called the American people "essentially a nation of cowards" in failing to openly discuss the issue of race.

    In his first major speech since being confirmed, the nation's first black attorney general told an overflow crowd celebrating Black History Month at the Justice Department the nation remains "voluntarily socially segregated."

    "Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial we have always been and continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards," Holder declared.

    Holder urged Americans of all races to use Black History Month as a time to have a forthright national conversation between blacks and whites to discuss aspects of race which are ignored because they are uncomfortable.

    The attorney general said employees across the country "have done a pretty good job in melding the races in the workplace," but he noted that "certain subjects are off limits and that to explore them risks at best embarrassment and at worst the questioning of one's character." VideoWatch Holder talk about race »

    "On Saturdays and Sundays, America in the year 2009 does not, in some ways, differ significantly from the country that existed some 50 years ago. This is truly sad," Holder said.

    Following his address, Holder declined to say whether his unexpectedly stern message would be translated into policy.

    "It's a question of being honest with ourselves and racial issues that divide us," Holder told reporters in a hastily arranged news conference. "It's not easy to talk about it. We have to have the guts to be honest with each other, accept criticism, accept new proposals."

    The nation's top law enforcement official vowed to "revitalize the Civil Rights Division" at the Justice Department but offered no specifics.

    In a reference to the highly divisive issue of affirmative action, Holder said there can be "very legitimate debate about the question of affirmative action. This debate can and should be nuanced, principled and spirited." VideoWatch CNN panel discuss Holder's remarks »

    The attorney general criticized past public debates on the issue as "too often simplistic and left to those on the extremes who are not hesitant to use these issues to advance nothing more than their own narrow self-interest."

    President Barack Obama has not yet nominated an assistant attorney general to head the Civil Rights Division, which is charged with enforcing the nation's civil rights laws and which helps fashion race-related policy. iReport.com: Share your thoughts on Holder's statement

    Allegations of politically motivated hiring in the division and increased emphasis on combating religious discrimination and human trafficking -- rather than concentration on traditional civil rights enforcement -- during the Bush administration caused some dissent in the department.

    Holder has promised to bring order to the Civil Rights Division.

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited February 2009

    Make sure your tissues are handy for this one.

     Discrimination hurts -- more so in hospitals

    By LEONARD PITTS JR.

    lpitts@miamiherald.com

    Your wife is dying.

    One moment everything was fine. You were in your stateroom on the cruise ship -- it was to be an anniversary cruise -- unpacking your things. The kids were in the adjoining stateroom playing with your wife. Suddenly, they banged on the door crying that mom was hurt.

    So now you're in the hospital -- Ryder Trauma Center at Jackson Memorial Hospital -- waiting for word, and it's not coming. They tell you, Joe (we'll call you Joe), you can't be with her. You plead with them, to no avail. No, Joe, sorry, Joe, we can't tell you anything.

    One hour turns to two, two to four, four to six. Your wife is dying, and no one she loves is there.

    Finally, in the eighth hour, you reach her bedside. You are just in time to stand beside the priest as he administers last rites.

    Your wife is dead. Her name was Lisa Marie Pond. She was 39.

    It happened, Feb. 18-19, 2007, except that Pond's spouse was not a man named Joe, but a woman named Janice. And there's one other detail. Janice Langbehn who, as it happens, is an emergency room social worker from Lacey, Wash., says the first hospital employee she spoke with was an emergency room social worker. She thought, given their professional connection, they might speak a common language.

    Instead, she says, he told her, ''I need you to know you are in an anti-gay city and state, and you won't get to know about Lisa's condition or see her'' -- then turned and walked away.

    For the record, this is an increasingly anti-gay nation, to judge from all the mean-spirited amendments and legislation that have made scapegoats and boogie men of them in recent years, including Florida's Marriage Protection Amendment, which passed last November.

    Langbehn is suing the hospital for negligence and intentional infliction of emotional distress. In a hearing last week, Jackson asked a judge to dismiss the suit. A ruling is pending. Attorney Andrew Boese, who represents Jackson, says the hospital ''absolutely'' disputes Langbehn's characterization of her encounter with the social worker. And as for visiting Pond's bedside: ``Our first duty should be to patients, particularly in an emergency room. The decision to allow someone into a trauma bay should be a medical decision. It shouldn't be a question for a jury . . . ''

    All that notwithstanding, it strains credulity to believe that Joe would have spent eight hours barred from his wife's bedside as Janice was from hers.

    Politicians and alleged religious leaders have routinely invited us to hate gay people and call it morality. They have taught us to frame gay lives in cloudy abstracts of tradition and values. But this isn't abstract, is it?

    No, it is Janice and Lisa, meeting in college and falling in love, 20 years ago. It is a ''holy union'' service in a local church, friends serving as maid of honor and ''best man.'' ''We were dirt poor,'' says Langbehn, ``but we pulled it off.''

    It is taking in foster kids no one else wants, drug babies, HIV babies, babies with fetal alcohol syndrome. It is adopting four of them and Lisa deciding she wants to be a stay-at-home mom and Janice saying OK, and wondering how the six of them will manage on a social worker's salary. It is Janice, diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, and Lisa, bashful Lisa, becoming the family extrovert, cheering the kids at ''toddler tumbling time'' shepherding them to swimming lessons and story time at the library.

    It is Lisa, who loved pecan sandies, the movie Beaches and Mitch Albom's book Tuesdays With Morrie, stricken by an aneurysm. It is Lisa, for eight hours, dying alone.

    It would be good if someone remembered her next time we are invited to hate an abstract. And remember Janice, who could not ache more deeply even if her name were Joe.

  • jader
    jader Member Posts: 223
    edited February 2009

    aching, i have not seen any people say anything against any race.  Why do you say that? 

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited February 2009

    Amy, that story just breaks my heart.  I truly do not understand how hateful and bigoted some people can be.  And aren't they always the ones who claim religious self-righteousness?

    Hoping that parts of the U.S. that still support this sort of behaviour and thought will eventually learn from the example of other countries.

    Hey, your guy is in our country today. WOOOHOOO!

    Cheers,

    Linda

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2009

    junie - i am so glad to hear the favorable reviews you met overseas, i am heading to europe in april and hoping to find a similar experience, one that would be very different than my experience last year...

    amy - was it the bachmann bit on hardball yesterday?

    imo, burris is toast and should end this mess, i see where he is going to stop talking to the press, that is a good thing. he seems to only exasperate his situation when he talks.

    did anybody catch hillary on the indonesian tv show, all over the news. it was great, she talked a bit about democracy and losing the election to pbo. i am sure they will be playing it a lot...lol

    so today pbo is in canada, first trip...talking together of clean energy...:)

    onward and upward!.....................................Laughing

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited February 2009

    Nope Laura-- it was Chris questioning the panel whether waterboarding Scooter Libby would make him tell the truth about Cheney's involvement in calling for the outing Valerie Plame. The way Chris asked the question was dead pan and the panelists were discussing the efficacy of waterboarding as in--- what type of information might Libby provide, if any, would it be accurate. They were all in on the joke, yet having a serious discussion about torture as it might apply to US citizens, and the ridiculousness of using the technique. I'm not doing the segment justice .I tried to find a clip on you tube but couldn't. Chris wasn't advocating  waterboarding, he was merely throwing out a hypothetical using an American (since there's a lot of prejudice against the Islamic community) to try to make a point against torture.

    Get the butter, burris is s toast. I still think he's probably less corrupt and more like a sober Otis from  the Andy Griffith show (which doesn't make for a competent senator).

    Did you see all the people out in the cold, wet weather to greet our president? Cool When Bush visited canada the protesters were out! That's got to help national security and the economy in a tacit way-- getting more flies with honey than vinegar.

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited February 2009

    Here's a follow up to the Post cartoon from yesterday. Seems like the employees are mad at the paper! I'm not surprised that many people complained and that some  of the employees of the paper. I am surprised the paper went on the attack against Sharpton. In the past there have been some things with which I disagreed with Sharpton, but over the past few years he's mellowed out and when he goes after something like helping the Jena 6 or this, he's been spot on. I think a lot of people who don't like him are not judging him by his recent civil rights acts, but a few well publicized prior acts from his past.

    New York Post Employees Unhappy, Ashamed Of Offensive Cartoon

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    The mood inside the New York Post, it seems, is a mix of anger and bewilderment that the paper published a cartoon depicting the authors of the stimulus as a dead, crazed chimpanzee.

    On Wednesday, an employee of the paper told the Huffington Post that the phone lines had been inundated with complaints over what was interpreted as a racially charged jab at Obama. "As they f--king should be," said the source.

    Today, meanwhile, the Post's Associate Editor, Sandra Guzman, sent out an email to other reporters distancing herself from the paper's cartoon and acknowledging that she has talked to management about her disapproval.

    "Thank you for your feedback," reads the email. "Please know that I had nothing to do with the Sean Delonas cartoon. I neither commissioned or approved it. I saw it in the paper yesterday with the rest of the world. And, I have raised my objections to management. --Sandra Guzman."

    The Post has stood by the cartoon, saying that it was meant to mock the contents of the stimulus by comparing the legislation to a now-infamous chimpanzee who attacked a woman in Connecticut.

    White House press secretary Robert Gibbs was asked about the image on the Air Force One, Wednesday and had the following to say: "I have not seen the cartoon, but I don't think it's altogether newsworthy that I don't spend a lot of time reading the New York Post."

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2009

    amy - that was my second guess...:)Smile

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2009

    what further bothered me about the offensive cartoon was the post's statement yesterday when the editor called it "a clear parody" about the police killing of the chimpanzee in connecticut.

    a parody? a woman is in the fight for her life, she has lost both eyes, most of her nose..ugg, sorry to be so graphic.

    but a parody of that? in my opinion, beyond tasteless.  

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited February 2009

    Laura- there's just no way to put a positive spin on the cartoon. Did you think the segment on hardball yesterday was as funny as I did? I laughed so hard I cried at the humor. I thought I was watching Bill Maher, Jon Stewart or Steven Colbert.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2009
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2009

    You wonder why Felicia and Triple Negative have left the boards?  It is statements that are not only racially motivated, but certainly not in the spirit of bco.org!  Why this is allowed to continue baffles me. 

    It has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with racism.

    Achi 

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited February 2009

    Laura- Have a great weekend. I hope you have fun.

    Achi- I can't even think of a response for you. I'm sorry you have to deal with this.  Racially insensitive name calling is wrong no matter who says it. Racism, however, is a different animal. It's  the difference of the majority who have the money/power use verbiage, actions or a way of thinking/behaving to keep the minority with less power down and those in the minority trying to fight back. I'm propably preaching to the choir here. There's a feature on the boards where you can ignore certain members and also a feature to report posts that violate the rules (not just posts you disagree with). Posting negative things from other threads usually isn't helpful in keeping in the spirit of breastcancer.org.

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited February 2009

    GREAT NEWS http://www.undispatch.com/node/7729

    I think Obama is going to be up there on Mt. Rushmore one day! We're back on the side of civil rights.

    In late December the United Nations General Assembly held a symbolic vote on a statement calling for the universal decriminalization of homosexuality. France spearheaded the resolution, which was a 13 point declaration "to ensure that sexual orientation or gender identity may under no circumstances be the basis for criminal penalties, in particular executions, arrests or detention." The statement received 60 votes in support, mostly from Europe and South America. Opposing the resolution, were the United States, the Holy See, and members of the Organization of the Islamic Conference. At the time, the Bush administration couched its objection to the measure in legal technicalities.

    Well, that was then. This is now: At the so-called "Durban Review Conference" on racism and xenophonia underway in Geneva, Europe again put forward language condemning "all forms of discrimination and all other human rights violations based on sexual orientation." According to UN Watch, "The Czech Republic on behalf of the E.U., with the support of New Zealand, the United States, Colombia, Chili on behalf of the South American states, the Netherlands, Argentina and a few others, took the floor in support." (emphasis mine).

    The efforts to include language on discrimination based on sexual orientation ended up failing for lack of support from non-western countries. Still, it's relieving to see that the United States is now back on the side of the enlightened on this issue of basic human rights.

  • unique
    unique Member Posts: 554
    edited February 2009

    It's about time! I know gays were upset by Obamas' stand on gay marriage as well as his inclusion of the anti-gay minister, Rick, uh, chemo brain ... at the inauguration. I'm glad we are now supporting gay rights here!

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited February 2009

    We don';t even need to dignify Reverend Hate with his last name. I believe Obama will come around to marriage-- he's a constitutional lawyer, how could he not. Loving v. Virginia is written exactly for gay marriage, even though it was what gave black and whites the right to marry each other.Even Mrs. Loving, before she died last year agreed.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2009

    OK one more time.

    WHOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOO Change is here and it sure feels good. 

    Achi

  • hyacinthe
    hyacinthe Member Posts: 11
    edited February 2009
  • sccruiser
    sccruiser Member Posts: 1,119
    edited February 2009

    Yep! Ca-ching, Ca-ching!! Change is pouring in!! Love that sound!!

    Looking forward to what the future holds here in this great nation!

    Was hoping to hear from our Canadian friends on how President Obama's visit was going? If you are out there, could you check in? We'd love to hear what's happening up north. Hope it's good! 

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited February 2009

    Isn't he back grace? I thought he was just there for 7 hrs? I was hoping Linda would post all about what they're saying on the news.

    don't forget, bill maher is back tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm sure he'll have a lot to say.

  • sccruiser
    sccruiser Member Posts: 1,119
    edited February 2009

    Oh, I don't think I can see that--isn't he on HBO?

    Wish he would move to one of the main stations. The other guys are getting a little tired. I would love to see Bill Maher on Larry King again. He was great the last time.

    Wasn't sure how long the President would be in Canada. Thanks for the clarification. 

  • celia088
    celia088 Member Posts: 2,570
    edited February 2009

    hi Obama friends, just adding this to my favorites so i can read.

  • jader
    jader Member Posts: 223
    edited February 2009
    From Triple Neg, Stephanie:  "I've been on this board for sometime now. I visited everyday. Prayed for people I didn't even know. Mourned for the loss of people I've never meet but loved dearly (lisa40, FD411, Shepgirl, and unfortunately the list goes on) . For over 4 years I have collected stacks of cards, gifts and blankets from women all over the world. I still get calls from family and friends of women who've I've befriended who've died (Husbands, mothers, brothers, sons, daugthers, partners alike)

    Maybe I do share "too" much on this board, that's just me. Maybe I do have alot of real life situations going on but isn't this a support board? I can't seek support and censor who I am! That's not support, that's fake phoney BS. I have cancer in my bones, brain, liver and lungs. Can't dress that up; it just stinks.... I'm not every woman; i'm just me. Forgive me if I misrepresented anyone here; that was not my intent.

    I've received more support than I have rejection, more love than hate and more compassion than cold-heartedness. I received a private message that quite frankly wasn't that bad but it just happened on the wrong day and the wrong time. I need to fight to live not fight to be what the world thinks I should be in a time of crisis. Be careful what you PM people, you could just be derailing someone.

    Maybe I'll be back one day. PLEASE PRAY FOR ME!! Thank you all for being my family and friends.Give yourself permission to be optimistic! God is able, stephanie "

    I just wanted to post that since I saw what you wrote Acheing.  You said she left because of racially motivated statements?  I only saw that someone sent her a pm that was not the nice, which is pretty crappy, to send nasty pm's to people -- racially motivated or not!!!  Just wanted to say  -- didn't seem to be a race thing.  Sad to see her go when she probably needs more support than ever. Her bio said she is stage 4 ..too sad.

    Peace.

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited February 2009

    Grace- if Maher was on regular tv he'd have a hard time trying not to use the f-bomb-- I get free hbo with my cable-- it's something about the switch to dtv

    jader- perhaps the two are friends and achi was privvy to information that wasn't posted. 

  • jader
    jader Member Posts: 223
    edited February 2009

    Well, maybe she will change her mind,like she said in her post, it was not that bad, just the wrong day ... I would think racial slur would be very bad!

    Bill Maher is gf's "must see tv" ... I don't stay up late to watch him, in fact I've never seen his show.

  • sccruiser
    sccruiser Member Posts: 1,119
    edited February 2009

    jader--I don't think your post needs to be on this thread. I am asking you politely and with great hope that you will delete it. I really don't think TripleNegative would like seeing what she wrote from the other thread plastered on another thread. Those are her words and we cannot interpret what they mean. Someone saying it was not bad, just a wrong day does not mean it wasn't a racial slur or for some other mean reason. We don't know what is in the writer's mind, and to suggest that she can change her post when she has already left this site doesn't seem very realistic. I think these kinds of posting keep the whole racial/racism issue seen in a negative light.

    I hope you will be kind enough to delete it.

    Thanks.

    grace 

  • HopingforaCure
    HopingforaCure Member Posts: 163
    edited February 2009

    Looks like this thread and the other political threads are being put out to pasture.  I really enjoyed reading the Obama thread and occasionally posting.  It was nice to read info and opinions from some fellow Obama supporters.  Though times are tough, I am hopeful that our country will pull through this latest crisis and be the respected country we once were.  I wish everyone on all the political threads all the best.  And I hope a cure for this thing we all have in common--breast cancer--is found soon!!!!

    Peace Out!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2009

    Aloha Obama Ladies.  You all will have to forgive me since I'm new and still learning how to post.  Putting things in the right context and not confusing one issue with another.  I'm thankful that someone sent me a pm encouraging me not to post someones name.  Since I cannot go back and edit my post for some reason I want to say this.  Whether it is using racial statements or sending someone a private pm that is so upsetting they would leave here, in my humble opinion, is not in the spirit of bco.    

    I was reading alot last night and was so happy to see someone was actually benefiting already from the incentive package.  It was a women who was talking about COBRA.  Her husband was laid off around Thanksgiving and they were trying to figure out what to do regarding insurance.  She was so worried about how much COBRA was going to cost and fearful to have any lapse in her insurance because of having breast cancer.  She was relieved to know that with the changes she would only have to pay 35% of the COBRA cost.  Now thats good and thats change.

    WHOOOOOO HOOOOOO  Change is here and it sure feels good.

    Achi

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited February 2009

    Well said achi.

    This bothers me. IMHO, we lose nothing by giving these folks civil rights and due process. I don't see how we can expect that from our own hostages/captives if we don't give it to others. I hope Obama changes his mind.

    Obama Backs Bush On Bagram Detainees »

    WASHINGTON - The Obama administration, siding with the Bush White House, contended Friday that detainees in Afghanistan have no constitutional rights.

    In a two-sentence court filing, the Justice Department said it agreed that detainees at Bagram Airfield cannot use U.S. courts to challenge their detention. The filing shocked human rights attorneys.

  • jader
    jader Member Posts: 223
    edited February 2009

    Wow, I log back on and see that post was deleted by you gals.  I guess I don't see how it was offensive to you. I was just setting a record straight, seems like someone misspoke and today, the person is posting happily today! So, it was a non-issue.

    I will leave you ladies to discuss on your own.  

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