Zometa
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Could a ob/gyn prescribe it for osteopenia? My gyn has been the one to order my bone density scans in the past, and I'm seeing him next week. Might be something to discuss.
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Nancy, that's a good idea. My ob/gyn recommended it for osteopenia, although she wasn't the one who prescribed it.
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I'm back from my first Zometa infusion. I told them to do it slowly, over 30 minutes. The only side effect I noticed was that my sinuses started burning just a bit after about 10 minutes. Now I have a slightly runny nose.
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Thanks everyone. This may be off topic but how to you like to Sloan? We are considering getting a second opionion there. Do you like your doctor?
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I know this is off topic but...wanted to share info about an effort to send email/letters bringing attention to bc research/cure:
In the "Commemorating Loved Ones" Forum, there is a thread with the title "In Honor of Alaska Deb-an idea"....Our email campaign is in full swing.....We are emailing Obama, Daschle and Palin on Feb 14th.....Please check it out and spread the word.
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I think Sloan is a great place to get treatment. The doctors are some of the best. There are specialists there for all aspects of cancer, and I have been very impressed with the ones I've seen. They even have a dietician on staff who consults with patients at no charge. And everyone at the breast center is so nice, even the non-medical staff remembers you by name.
Initially, when I wanted to get a second opinion there before starting chemo, I didn't have a choice of oncologists. I had to go through their referral service. But I've been very happy with the oncologist I ended up with. He's extremely knowledgeable and involved in some of the latest research. Another thing I like is that they put all your medical records and appointments into a computer system. The treatment is more organized and comprehensive than the place I started.
If you have more questions, feel free to email me directly.
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What kind of oncologist would NOT do a Vitamin D test if their patient asked for it? Not one I would stick around with. I got my level halfway through chemo and it was 14 way lower than it should have been. Prior to my diagonosis I was getting all these weird achey pains in both breasts so that's when I started self examining carefully and found the lump. I have been taking between 800 and 1000 units of D3 daily and 8 months later it went from 14 to 20. I will get tested every 6 months. I am now taking 2000 units daily. That's my story. I'm now going to call my doctor and see if he thinks I would benefit from Zometa. I had stage 1 HER2 positive breast cancer with no involved nodes. I want to do all I can. I would happily take Zometa infusions every 6 months for the next couple of years if that buys me anything.
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Just wanted to give an update on my progress towards getting Zometa. I had my teeth evaluated by both my general dentist and my periodontist 2 weeks ago. They agreed that there were 4 teeth at risk of needing extraction in the next few years. I had 1 extracted 10 days ago and the remaining 3 today. I've talked with my oncologist and I will be having my first infusion next month, most likely coinciding with my follow-up visit on the 17th. He agreed that just for my osteopenia alone at least 1 infusion is the way to go, but I am anticipating that when we talk at my visit the plan will be to receive a full 3 year course.
I'm totally psyched about this. I have to laugh at myself- weird the things that can make you all cheerful and like "oh I'm so lucky" once you've been diagnosed with breast cancer. I'm sitting here minus three teeth feeling like I've won something. I need to have some orthodontic treatment too, at least on my bottom teeth since one of the teeth that had to go was an incisor.
Now I'll really look like a 12 year old with my flat chest and braces.
I see Vit D3 levels mentioned. I take between 800-1200 of supplemental D3 daily. My PCP checked mine and it was either 41 or 43. I can't find the paperwork. She said this was in the normal range but that's all I know. I searched on line trying to find out what is considered optimal and came away confused. Usually I can figure these things out on my own but in this case not. Does anyone know what the optimal range is?
FYI there was a good article in yesterday's NYT on-line about Zometa as an adjuvant treatment for breast cancer.
Warm wishes for health and happiness to all of you breast cancer sisters and fellow Zometa seekers here.This thread has been so helpful in motivating me to pursue this additional avenue of treatment.
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So the question remains, how best to convince a Canadian Oncologist to prescribe Zometa? Osteoporosis preventative? I'm bothered by the fact that a woman's body is not her own property, such that she can choose the treatment of her choice.
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Just a question Timothy - have you asked your Onc to prescribe it? I am planning to ask mine about it when I am done Chemo, just wondering what your response has been.
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KerryMac, the Onc said it wasn't yet standard therapy and seemed extremely reluctant to encourage it. As well, we just came back from Mayo Clinic, and were told exactly the same thing. The guy here in Winnipeg did say "You'd have to pay for it yourself". But I don't take that as a willingness to participate, it might have just been a tactic to get us to drop it. My wife will start chemo next week, and we plan to put in the name of another Oncologist, someone recommended to us, to get switched to. We don't want to delay the start of treatment, so we went with the one available right away.
We had a good meeting with an oncologist at Mayo. He was very good to talk to, but we went to him with basically all the hard questions, like for a premenopausal woman whether he'd recommend suppression of ovarian function, whether he'd recommend it along with an AI. He very much had to sit on the fence and take the position that all these things are currently under study and there is little evidence to recommend one over the other. He talked about the study presented at the recent American Society of Oncologists where there was no statistically signif difference between premenopausal women who were given a drug to suppress ovarian function, and half had tamoxifen and the other half an AI. He allowed us to record our meeting, and I need to listen to it again carefully and go over my notes. They gave us an excellent Mayo book on breast cancer, of which he was (an) editor. It has some surprising information in it.
Kerry, I've had my wife look at a number of your posts, her diagnosis is almost exactly the same as yours, date, idc, #notes, er pr +, etc.
Its our intention to pursue the zometa through whatever avenues we can find.
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Thanks for the info Timothy. I would be interested in any other info you have from the Mayo Clinic. I, too, have thought your wife and I are in very similar situations.
As I am still in the middle of chemo so I hasven't even discussed Hormonal Therapy or Zometa with my Onc. Interesting his stand on Tamox vs an AI. I thought for sure an AI would be what was reccommended to me. Anyhow, I would appreciate any other info you have - did he seem to think FEC-T was the most effective Chemo option? My Onc told me it was better for my situation that ACT, although most people I come across on these boards are using ACT. I find it really hard to know who or what to believe. At the end of the day I think you have to find a Dr you trust and have faith that they know what they are doing. And I really believe there is so much the Dr's don't understand themselves.
Anyhow, I hope your wife is doing well. I hope her Chemo goes well. I am coping with it fine. The first week is a bit unpleasant, but she will get through it. If she wants to PM me or email let me know
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The Winnipeg oncologist is recommending FEC-D(same as T) probably based on it being the accepted protocol here in Canada for this stage and type of breast cancer. The onc at Mayo told us that there isn't enough evidence to say that FEC-D is any better or worse than ACT (more popular in the US). A lot of non-decisive answers , but perhaps the truth that a lot of things are to the best of their knowledge, six of one, half a dozen of the other.
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Paige-Allison,
You are so right about the things that make us happy pre and post cancer dx! Really changes perspective
Good luck with the Zometa. I was on monthly infusion for 2 yrs until tooth issue became a concern. Good thing is that it has a VERY long half life, something like 10 yrs, so I will get the benefits for a while more even w/o infusions.
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If you are looking for information on the Austrian Breast and Colorectal Cancer Study Group that conducted the original work on Zolodronic Acid you can go to this page on their site and they keep all the recent press clippings up. Handy if you need to print out articles to take to your oncologist.
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I just had an e-mail exchange with my oncologist and he mentioned the need to check with my insurance company re: whether they'll pay for Zometa. Per him they may not because it's not yet the "standard of care." We are certainly going to push. As I mentioned before, I have osteopenia. I also have the impression that I am not a good candidate for cheaper, oral drugs because I have longstanding GI problems- reflux and gastritis.
How have you done with getting insurance to pay?
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My insurance is covering it as a preventative of osteoporisis since I had a hyst/ooph at 39
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My insurance (Kaiser Permanente) covers whatever their doctors recommend.
I looked into how much Zometa infusions (drug+nursing assistance) cost if purchased w/o insurance. It ran from around $800 to $1500. I would have paid out of pocket if I hadn't been covered.
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Someone previously stated, and this is just heresay, that the Zometa IV costs less per year than the daily pills. The actual 4mg of Zometa is worth roughly $600 (plus the medical fees for adminstering).
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Paige Allyson, I would think that the insurance company would pay for it if you have osteopenia. My bone scan was normal so I had to pay for it - $1,128.00.
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I'm in Canada...and I pay $620.00 for the 4mg. I get my perscription from my onc, go to the pharmacy and they give me the vial. I then bring the Zometa to my check ups with my onc at the hospital, the nurse will mix the vial with saline (I believe..never asked) and then gives it to me IV.
Infusion takes about 30-40 min.
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I had mild osteopenia at time of diagnosis, so they watched me closely and after 2 years of Arimidex my onc said it was time to get a bone supplement. I was hoping for infusion as I also have a long history of GI problems - most noteably IBS - and he said he wasn't sure if my insurance would pay because I don't actually have osteoporosis. He sent me to a specialist who did indeed recommend the infusion (Reclast, another name for Zometa, given annually). I called my insurance company and they said NO PROBLEM! Got the drip on Feb 5 - a couple of days of low fever, slight headache & mild fatigue, and now I'm good for a year. Hope it goes this well for everyone else!
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sugarplum,
so zometa is once every 6 months and reclast is once every 12 months?
Do you know if reclast has the same anti-bone cancer effect as zometa?
Spring...
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As the specialist put it "Reclast is the exact same drug as Zometa, just marketed differently" (and apparently less expensive). I am assuming that means its effect on recurrence is also the same - sure hope that's true, anyway...!
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Okay! I talked with Anthem and they'll pay for the Zometa. I'm getting the first infusion when I go for my next follow up on March 17th. My oncologist says it's a good idea to be well hydrated prior to the infusion. Thanks for all the input and encouragement. I'm psyched about getting this stuff although I hear it can make you feel crummy for a couple of days. I'm willing to put up with just about anything (within reason) if it can help prevent/delay recurrence.
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Paige-A
AMEN SISTA!!!!!
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Timothy, don't know if you're still looking to get Zometa from a Canadian onc, but I did. It is covered 95% under my extended medical at about the price LexisLove quotes. If the cost is prohibitive to you, there is something called "Zometa Access" you should ask your onc. about (or maybe switch to a new onc). It is located in Montreal and will help you pay for the drugs. My oncologist, who is clearly awesome, put them in touch with me but I didn't end up needing them.
He also explained that Zometa is still not the "standard of care" but they think that it knocks off about 3% risk of recurrence in an adjuvant setting. Good enough for me!
It is likely that this will become standard, but not just yet.
Good luck. And to any other Canadians considering this, you should bring it up. My onc. only feels that he can bring up treatments that they can offer me (that are covered) so I only got zometa because I asked about it.
best,
Rachel
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Spring- Yes! Thank you.
Rachel- My oncologist mentioned this same "standard of care" issue but Anthem says they pay 100%. It pays to advocate for yourself- whether you're in the states or in Canada!
Paige
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I had Zometa paid for by insurance (at least so far - 2 infusions). My local onc (Chicago) charted it as for prevention of osteoporosis. Even though my bone scan result indicated that my bones are superdense, insurance still paid. Worth a try.
Timothy- I also went to Mayo. My onc there said no downside to taking Zomata, and basically said (in not so many words) don't wait and hinted about how to get it paid for (prevention of osteoporosis. Even tamoxifen can make the bones less dense. There was a subgroup analysis of the Austrian study that demonstrated it. If you'd like a copy, PM me with your email address and I'll send a copy to you on (I am a technological Neanderthal and can't figure out another way to send the information)
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Dear Paige Allyson,
My Vit D level was 42 or 43 also. It was on the low end of normal.
I believe the range is 40-80 or 40-100. My nautralpath has increased my D3 intake to
5000 units from 2000 units. I have seen an increase in bone density, not a lot but it's an increase.
I do not take calcium, my calcuim level test fine.
I take lupron (ovary ablation) and a A.I. I have been asked also by my oncologist to take Zometa.
I'm still checking it out. I have braces also and a half flat chest. Implants (teeth) are coming in 1 year and I don't want jaw bone necrosis. Magnesium is very important as well.
You can request a print out of your blood test results; the range will be on that printout.
The Dr office must give this to you upon your request. I have an entire file with every
test result.
Dr Susan Love is my GURU she has a great website. I belong to her army against breast cancer.
Stage 1 , 0 nodes ER + 3 years ago single mastectomy.
Good Luck.
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