Suzanne Somors hormone replacement???

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  • Yazmin
    Yazmin Member Posts: 840
    edited February 2009

    Dear Barry:

    Please do not lose your temper. We owe you this fantastic subject, which is giving everybody here so much to think about. I, for one, am truly grateful for that. Your starting this thread has got me reviewing issues that never really crossed my mind before. This thread is turning into one of the "locomotive" subjects of this forum (along with, I think, the "Mojo" subject from Mena, and the "Success Stories" one, without forgetting marejo's wonderful "calling all survivors" thread).

    I believe you had mentioned somewhere that you were getting frustrated and thinking about leaving the forum (please pardon me if I have you confused with someone else). Please do not leave: your contributions are invaluable.

    Also: I do believe that LJ13's last post was a simple remark, I was not under the impression that this was an attack on anybody or anything?

  • Yazmin
    Yazmin Member Posts: 840
    edited February 2009

    Sorry, I went too fast. I had not seen LJ13's real last post, where she uses the expression alternative afficionados. I am sure, indeed, that she would not be happy if we called her some name as well.

    And we won't: with such big decisions to make, we are here to try and learn, and we have far more important things to do than get sidetracked. 

    @ LJ13. You wrote:

    There are people who don't understand the difference between anecdotal evidence (so-and-so says it works great for her) and actual proof that something works (meaning, clinical data tested and proven in human trials). I intend to make it clear to anyone who is confused about these issues.

    If you have clinical data tested and proven in human trials, by all means, you are justified to start presenting all that convincing evidence, but I am wondering why you haven't started yet, after all this timeSurprised.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited February 2009

    Yazmin, Sorry if it seems as if I was losing my cool. I felt frustrated. I honestly wondered why

    LJ13 was pushing his/her agenda. This person seems to have set his/her self as an authority of this subject and seems to resent alternative medicine. To this person we are nothing more than critical fanatics. Personally, I don't want to be a blind sheep following one size fits all mentallity medicine. We all have minds, and the ability to make intelligent decisions. We are our best advocates!

     I don't recall saying I was tempted to leave the thread.

    Since I've decided on an alternative approach to prevent another recurrence, I've looking to all of you for support and wisdom. My interest in natural alternative medicine began with my recent bout of dcis. This is all new to me...felt it is the right way to prevent cancer.

    Right now I'm feeling a little vulnerable...not sure why.

    After the Dec. surgery, I wanted to move on, but my gut said my body was out of wack. Something was wrong. After hearing about Suzanne Somers, I thought it could be hormonal. Since being dx with cancer, I had several isolated physical problematic symptoms that concerned me.  I thought if I took bioidentical hormones that these problems would go away. At times I thought I was fighting aging. Other times I thought something was really wrong, I couldn't put my finger on it. In just a few months I could see my body falling a part.

    After discovering that my problem is severe hypothyroidism, I' am now focused on balancing the thyroid hormones. My cholesterol is dangerously high, and I'm normal weight for my height?  I wonder if the bc, and other problems are all associated with the thyroid?

    I read that progesterone aids the thyroid? I am interested Dr Lee's natural progesterone. I wonder if I can take it along with my Armour thyroid med's? For now, I'm temporally shelfing the bioidentical hormones and focusing on getting healthy.

    b barry

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2009

    If you don't know what a big word means, look it up. Aficionado is in no way pejorative.

    You can take offense at whatever you choose to. That makes it your choice.

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 2,167
    edited February 2009

    Barry

    We have a lot of the same questions. My cholesterol went up too after rads and I have a very good diet. I read that low estrogen raises cholesterol and this is why lack of estrogen has adverse effects on the heart, also why taking arimidex raises cholesterol. I too have an underactive thyroid. Hopefully when I see my doctor this week, I will have some answers and I will let you know. If you want to pm me what area you are in, I can also ask her if she can recommend any docs in your area. She seems to be very involved with an organization of other doctors, so she might know of someone else.

    I know finding these answers is frustrating for all of us, and I really appreciate everyone who is willing to share their wisdom here and not be scared off by the naysayers.

  • louishenry
    louishenry Member Posts: 417
    edited February 2009

    So many women have thyroid problems. Many more than have BC. Coincidense? Probably.  I was searching for a long time as to why I got DCIS. I also blamed my thyroid. ( 17 years, hypo). Who knows? My thyroid has been stable, as has my cholesteral ( surgical meno because of fibroids). Sometimes things happen to us and we want to know why. I know I did.  I realized, why not? All we can do is our best. I am a runner, have taken vitamins,  and have eaten organic for years. My only risk factor was starting my period at 11.

  • FloridaLady
    FloridaLady Member Posts: 2,155
    edited February 2009

    From American Society of Clinical Oncology

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    Background: Anecdotal studies and isolated case reports have observed an association between thyroid disease and breast cancer. This purported association remains controversial. We describe a retrospective case-control study on the prevalence of breast cancer in patients with abnormal thyroid function studies. Age-matched subjects served as controls. Methods: We reviewed 6,211 cases of abnormal TSH values between January 2004 and December 2005 and determined the number of cases with breast cancer. We compared those data to 3,151 control subjects with normal TSH seen during the same period. We excluded patients with thyroid cancer from the total number of malignancies in both groups because abnormal TSH would be expected to result from its treatment. We also reviewed the ER, PR, HER2/neu status and free thyroxine of patients with breast cancers. Results: Breast cancer rate of 36% of all cancers (37/102) in the abnormal TSH group was significantly higher than that of 18% (14/77) in the normal TSH group (p= 0.012). Breast cancers in the study group with abnormal thyroid function were more frequently hormone receptor positive (74% vs. 67%) and HER2/neu negative (67% vs. 50%). Conclusions: The data suggest that there is an increased rate of breast cancer in patients with abnormal thyroid function. The trend of hormone receptor positive disease in the abnormal TSH group suggests that the IGF receptor may play an important role in the relationship between thyroid disease and breast cancer. The IGF receptor may be a potential target for therapeutic drug development for breast cancer prevention and management. Further studies are warranted

  • Yazmin
    Yazmin Member Posts: 840
    edited February 2009

    And I just received this invitation by email from Dr. Sellman:

    This a a short reminder inviting you to learn the Full Story about Safe, Natural Hormone Balance
     
    Recently on her show, Oprah addressed many issues,
    her discussions left out
    critically important information and options.
     
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    practical solutions to help women of all ages
    take charge of their hormone health.
     
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    that even Oprah doesn't know!!!
     

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  • lisasayers
    lisasayers Member Posts: 850
    edited February 2009

    Thanks Yazmin.  I have her book...a lot of great information in it!

  • wahine
    wahine Member Posts: 8,231
    edited February 2009

    Yazmin, I hope you can post the important information that is covered in the teleclass. I will be flying all day tomorrow and won't be able to phone in and listen. SOOOO much to learn, and thanks everyone for all the information that is being shared here!

  • Yazmin
    Yazmin Member Posts: 840
    edited February 2009

    Wahine:

    I have sent Dr. Sellman an email to find out if transcripts of the teleclass will be available, and I am waiting to hear from her.

    Hopefully, they will, but I am sure that they will post a paper on that subject on the web site afterwards. 

    Of course, we will have time to talk about that teleclass right here after the session.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2009

    "Dr." Sellman's degree is from an unaccredited correspondence school that confers degrees such as Master Herbalist. She received a Naturopathic Doctor degree, not a Medical degree.

  • AllieM22
    AllieM22 Member Posts: 464
    edited February 2009

    Thanks LJ13--I was going to Google her and forgot. Always good to know who your source is...

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 2,167
    edited February 2009

    I have a death wish. I have totally given my health over to all the quacks out there. I get my blood drawn at my chiropractor. I get my thermograms at another. I take lots of poisoned supplements that give me expensive pee. I am going to a doctor who may perscribe those deadly bioidentical hormones. I am never going back to my oncologist. I refuse to take that lifesaving drug arimidex. And now I am considering adding iodine because my thyroid levels are low. I am a complete and utter fool to think the way I do and I am shamelessly sharing with others all the ways I am committing suicide by not listening to my doctors. I will pray that God will forgive me.

    Other than that, I am a happy and healthy person. I just wish people who think I am crazy would stop trying to save me from myself and just let me die in peace.

  • FloridaLady
    FloridaLady Member Posts: 2,155
    edited February 2009

    Vivre - you go girl.  Tell the hall monitor what you think.

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 2,167
    edited February 2009

    Oh, I forgot one more thing. I went to the Naturopath today and spent a fortune on some snake oil. I might as well die poor. You can't take it with you after all!

  • louishenry
    louishenry Member Posts: 417
    edited February 2009

    Hi, hopefully someone will answer my question... I have a thyroid specialist (MD), but really believes in some holistic intervention. I tried armour a long time ago ( didn'T help), thus now on synthroid. My question. I was told that most people that are hypo have an autoimmune disorder and not a problem with low iodine. Therefore adding iodine to the diet will not help and probably would hurt my thyroid. If you have hypothyroidism that is not auto-immune, than it would not be a problem adding iodine. That didn't apply to me. This was 18 years ago, but I'm wondering. I asked recently to have my iodine levels checked but she said my bloodwork was excellent, so it wasn't necessary. I just can't imagine that low iodine, or synthroid, or hypothyroidism could cause my DCIS. Thyoid disease affects millions of women. BC (thank God) much, much less.

  • anondenet
    anondenet Member Posts: 715
    edited February 2009

    If you get David Brownstein, MD's book on iodine, that will answer all your questions. He specializes in just what you asked about. And he treats both hypothyroism and auto-immune thyroid diseases with iodine.

    In the last five years, the thinking has changed about this whole field if you go to the more progressive doctors.

    You can also try joining http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/iodine/ and asking your questions there. The group leader previously had thyroid cancer, breast disease and ovarian cysts. Several practitioners frequent the discussion. 2500 members.

  • FloridaLady
    FloridaLady Member Posts: 2,155
    edited February 2009

    In Prevention magazine March 2009

    Article on Compound Drugs.  Had this article as a insert along with it.

    Bioidenticals have become the most visible targets of the FDA's recent actions on compounding. Last year, it sent warning letters to seven pharmacies charging their Web sites made unsubstantiated claims about bioidenticals.  It warned pharmacies they shouldn't be compounding any prescriptions containing estriol, a week estrogen that's promoted as safer than other hormones but isn't a component of any FDA-approved products.

    Compounders and their customers are fighting back. Last fall, in an orchestrated campaign, over 25,000 patients, pharmacists, and physicians called their legislators to ask them to preserve their right to compounded medications, particularly bioidenticals, and to pass legislation to reverse the FDA's position on estriol.

    Compounding proponents accuse the FDA of caving in to complaints by Wyeth Pharm., the makers of Prempro, the estrogen-progestin combo deemed risky in the Women's Health Initiative study.  This legislation is pending right now.

  • Deirdre1
    Deirdre1 Member Posts: 1,461
    edited February 2009

    FloridaLady:  If I were wearing a hat I would take it off for you - you are nothing if not thorough!!!  You are incredible at information and research!  Thanks so much for all your time and effort you put in here - I am always amazed at all the information you can get your hands one!!  Best!

  • charis
    charis Member Posts: 37
    edited February 2009

    Vivre, you crack me up .....  Are you a Suicide Blonde???

    Barry, hang in there babe ......  

  • charis
    charis Member Posts: 37
    edited February 2009

    Sorry, forgot my new signature line ....... 

    Sockpuppet signing out!

  • Yazmin
    Yazmin Member Posts: 840
    edited February 2009

    Anyway: here is a message from Sherrill Sellman (talking about the upcoming telecast, as I have told her that others are interested in the subject):

    This teleclass will be recorded and made available to my e-list.  So, please invite them to sign up on my website and then they will receive notification when the recording will be available!
    Thanks so much for your interest!!!

    I am thinking that, whatever our beliefs in hormones and other treatments, it is always good to try and learn as much as we can. There's got to be a way for us to take something away from the panel that will be present, one step more towards deciding one way or the other what we should do, maybe?

    I had noticed that Dr. Sellman is a doctor in naturopathic medicine, and I normally prefer naturopaths that are previously trained in "regular" medicine. Nevertheless, my motto is: "never miss an opportunity to learn." 

    It is a fact that we have to be exceedingly careful even with our dear "regular" doctors, since experience has shown time and again that a name followed by the coveted "MD" is not necessarily a sign of real knowledge, let alone good judgment. There's just too many sock puppet MDs out there, who are unable to think beyond blindly implementing the BBBoard's latest decisions (just one Capital B seems inadequate to describe these doctors' reverence for what they call "the literature").

    Those are the sock puppets that put me and millions and millions of other women through chemotherapy, thus setting us up with a 3% chance of acquiring leukemia in our lifetime, only to go back and tell us in 2006 that chemotherapy has no effect on ER+ tumors, and therefore, is now discontinued for those.

  • FloridaLady
    FloridaLady Member Posts: 2,155
    edited February 2009

    Thank you Deirdre1.  It nice to know some people see value in the research we all like to share here.

    Have a great one.

    Flalady

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 2,167
    edited February 2009

    Okay fellow suicide blonders(and brunettes like me, and redheads, or tie dyes or whatever), I went to see my new doctor. When I walked in, there she is with a photo of Suzanne Somers. We had a long discussion on my medical history and she looked at all the blood work I have had so far and agreed my thyroid and progesterone is too low. I am going to do a urine test, and then we will decide what kind of hormone therapy we will do. I am so relieved that I finally have a doctor who has the experience in this. She is an ob/gyn who now specializes in hormone treatment. She also said that she has met Dr. Northrup, whose book "The wisdom of Menopause", I credit with putting me on the path to good health. So I will keep you all posted. Meanwhile, FlaLady, and Anom, keep showing us the results of your great research. It has been a real help for me.

  • FloridaLady
    FloridaLady Member Posts: 2,155
    edited February 2009

    Vivre,

    So glad you found a doctor who thinks "outside of the box". Keep us up to date on your findings.

    Flalady

  • anondenet
    anondenet Member Posts: 715
    edited February 2009

    Great news! Sounds like you hit the jackpot. I wonder what thyroid and progesterone she will give you. Progesterone helps the thyroid work too according to Ronald Hoffman, MD. It helps the uptake of iodine into the tissues.

    Let us know her thinking on testosterione too. Does she do blood or saliva tests for hormones?

    Well done, Vivre!

    Anom

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 2,167
    edited February 2009

    I already had blood tests done for hormones. She said saliva and urine tests both have pluses and minuses, but decided I should do the urinalysis. She also explained to me how the progesterone and thyroid are intertwined, and how progesterone is important because it helps to keep estrogen levels in check. That is why women still get bc, with low estrogen levels. If we have no progesterone at all being made as we age, even a little bit of estrogen will leave us e dominant. We really need estrogen for proper heart, and brain function and for our muscles and bones. As she said to me, progesterone puts the brakes on estrogen overload.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited February 2009

    Good Report! Has she written up anything on progesterone? Where did she get her info? I would love to send such information to my naturalpath.

  • charis
    charis Member Posts: 37
    edited February 2009

    We really need people who think in terms of doing the necessary surgery combining it with natural remedies.  However, natural won't work unless you have done EVERYTHING else for your body, like exercise, eating right, no alcohol (or occasional organic red) and getting 15 mins of quality sun on your extremities!

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