Suzanne Somors hormone replacement???
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Yes, the most recent study says the problem is estrogen AND progersterone together. Makes taking progresterone look scary to me!
Hormone therapy doubles breast cancer risk: study
4 days ago
WASHINGTON (AFP) - Post-menopausal women who take combined hormone replacement therapy for at least five years double their risk of developing breast cancer, according to a study published Wednesday.
However, once they stop taking the combination of estrogen and progestin their risk of cancer falls by at least 28 percent within one year, said the researchers at Stanford University in California.
"This is very strong evidence that estrogen plus progestin causes breast cancer," said Marcia Stefanick, co-author of the study that appears in the February 5 edition of the New England Journal of Medicine.
"You start women on hormones and within five years, their risk for breast cancer is clearly elevated. You stop the hormones and within one year, their risk is essentially back to normal. It's reasonably convincing cause-and-effect data."
The results do not apply to women who take estrogen only, she said. A previous large-scale study by the Women's Health Initiative in 2002 did not find a rise in breast cancer for most women on estrogen-only therapy.
The Stanford University researchers looked at data from two major study groups: more than 15,000 women from one landmark study that was halted in 2002 after initial findings showed an increase in breast cancer for those on combined therapy versus those on a placebo; and a second group of 41,449 women who joined a 1994 study and were free to choose hormone therapy or not.
"The results from the two groups of women were quite similar," the findings said.
"In the clinical trial, the incidence of breast cancer was much higher in the hormone group in the five years leading up to 2002. But after they stopped taking the hormones, breast cancer rates dropped very rapidly. The number of breast cancer diagnoses fell 28 percent within the year."
As initial findings began to emerge pointing to increased breast cancer risk for women on combined hormone therapy, women in the observational study reflected what women were doing in society as a whole and showed a 50 percent decline in hormone use.
This "coincided with a 43 percent reduction in their breast cancer rates between 2002 and 2003," the researchers said.
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Thank you!
Amy
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Wow....so much information...makes me really want to study this more too. I appreciate all the research and soul searching that everyone is contribution here...much to think about! I had been on "estratest" as my HRT for several yrs before my bc dx of DCIS (had bilat mast). I went off it immediately in April 08. Since then, I feel more sluggish, my skin looks older,my bones are losing some density, and libido has decreased. I just found this article on earlymenopause.com, and wonder if it has any merit? I think I need to go back on testerone, and since I just took the estratest HS (half strength), I don't think it was too much testerone, and maybe not too much estrogen??? I need the more analytical minds here to decipher this for me. Thanks everyone!!!
Different Forms of HRT: Estratest, Premarin with Methyltestosterone (oral estrogen and testosterone) This is a form of HRT that combines estrogen and testosterone in one pill. The most commonly prescribed brand is Estratest, which contains esterified estrogens (Estratab) plus testosterone; however Premarin is also available in a testosterone-included form.
In general, the pros and cons are the same as you'd face taking testosterone and estrogen individually. A 1998 study concluded that adding small amounts of testosterone to HRT can restore a lagging libido and fight against hot flashes in addition to increasing bone density. Most research finds that testosterone is especially important for a woman who has undergone surgical menopause. When you have your ovaries removed, you aren't producing the tiny amount of testosterone that a woman with ovaries does even after menopause. So there is a good chance that you may suffer from more intense hot flashes, more rapid bone loss, and a loss of interest in sex. By replacing the testosterone in addition to estrogen, you usually can reverse these symptoms.
The bad news? Some studies have shown that testosterone may raise blood pressure. The important factor is the ratio of testosterone to estrogen -- so if you do take Estratest or another testosterone in HRT, you should be sure to have your testosterone levels as well as your estrogen levels checked initially and tracked while you're on the HRT. There are other possible side effects with testosterone as well -- including acne, facial hair, weight gain, increased anger, and, at the worst, liver disease. (The real key, though, appears to be the amount of testosterone taken. These side effects don't appear to be a problem for women on low dosages.)
Finally, perhaps the biggest problem of all: Testosterone still hasn't been studied closely, so it's difficult to be sure what the long-term side effects may be. That said, though, it still may fit into your HRT picture -- especially if you've been through surgical menopause. In addition, the National Institutes of Health is currently studying testosterone replacement in women with POF, as their preliminary studies indicate that testosterone might be an important hormone for these women. All in all, then, as with everything else related to HRT, it's wise to discuss this carefully with your doctor.
The major decision in this case is whether you'd prefer taking the natural estrogen in Estratest or the conjugated estrogen in Premarin with methyltestosterone. In addition, the Premarin plus testosterone has a much higher dosage of testosterone in it -- over double the amount. Since many doctors advocate starting low with hormones, then building up if there's no effect, you may be better off opting for the Estratest. In addition, some doctors prescribe Estratest HS in conjunction with another estrogen -- you alternate between the two, so get only half a dosage of the testosterone. In this way, you may be getting enough to help your problems, but not more than your body needs...and not enough to run the risk of side effects.
- Standard dosage:0.625 esterified estrogen/1.25 mg methyltestosterone (Estratest H.S.); 1.25 esterified estrogen/2.5 mg methyltestosterone (Estratest); 0.625 conjugated estrogen/5 mg methyltestosterone or 10 mg methyltestosterone (Premarin with methyltestosterone)
- Pros: If you need testosterone, you only need to take two hormone pills -- this and a progesterone, instead of three; can help libido, bone loss, etc.
- Cons: May cause side effects including oily skin or acne, hair growth (depending on the amount of testosterone); Premarin testosterone dosage is very high
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Here is a rational perspective on the Oprah/Somers debacle:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/183842?from=rss
"Somers concedes she's not a scientist, but she is "a lay person passionately interested in preserving the quality of life and appalled by the lack of knowledge about this." She is particularly annoyed with the criticism of male doctors, saying they've never experienced menopause. But even though Somers reminds people she's just a layperson, she wasn't presented that way on the Winfrey program. And that's a problem, say experts. "My concern is with someone like Somers, whose only medical expertise is a personal one, giving medical advice to other people," explains Dr. Isaac Schiff, professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Harvard Medical School. "When people see this on TV, they may be encouraged to try hormones, without fully understanding the benefits and risks. They should have had a physician, who is trained and experienced, sitting on the stage at the same level and presenting another point of view."
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Lisa, the study you cite involves synthetic hormones, which makes the point that no one is studying natural hormone replacement. Progestin is a synthetic hormone, not progesterone and doctors who prescribe the bioidentical hormones insist that act totally different than the synthetic ones. Here again is the controversy because the studies are being done on the sythetic versions and being applied to the biodentical. No one is doing studies in America on the bioidenticals because only drug companies have the funds to do so, and they would stand to lose a lot of money if a natural substitute for their drugs become available. They continue to spend $$$$$$ on lobbyists to get bioidenticals banned because they know it will kill their business. Meanwhile, there are studies being done in other countries on bioidenticals that show they are safe and actually lower the risk of bc. I think they were linked earlier in this thread, or maybe on the other hormone thread.
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Wow, this is a massively confusing subject. Do I have it right when I say that:
1)All Bioidentical hormones like many other HRT hormones are synthetics, ie manufactured from some precurser.
2) Not all HRT hormones are synthesized, but may come from non human sources, such as pregnant mare urine and contain non native forms of the hormones that are not normally found in the human body.
3) The real debate about BIH vs standard HRT is not about the source of the hormones, or how its made, but whether the form the hormone takes, a synthesized exactly identical to the native hormone (the "Bioidentical") vs a synthesized variant affects its action and safety.
Are there any good studies to show BIH are safer? Or is it just that there are plenty of studies pointing out the dangers of non-native forms?
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I haven't either seen the Oprah show we are talking about or read Suzanne Somers' book. However, I find it disturbing that no doctor was on stage during the program (I had no idea). As we can see from this ongoing discussion, there is as yet no clear answer to the question of hormone replacement. Whether we are talking about bio-identical hormone replacement or regular HRT, it looks like the whole subject remains just that: a big, huge, question with possible answers going to the four points. Complicated, to say the least. But to not even think of having a panel of experts on the set? From my humble point of view, this is irresponsible.
For me, it is a disappointment (but not a surprise) that Oprah was not more careful in putting together a show on such a serious issue.
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Timothy,
Bioidentical means the hormone is manufactured to COPY the EXACT MOLECULE our body makes.
By synthetic, it means the hormone is manufacured to engineer a DIFFERENT MOLECULE than our body makes.
There was a physician on the Oprah show who did not know the difference between "manufactured" and "synthetic." She said "all hormones are synthetic." Totally innaccurate.
This is important because progestins (synthetics) can behave the opposite of progesterone.
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vivre -
Lisa, the study you cite involves synthetic hormones, which makes the point that no one is studying natural hormone replacement.
I think you should read the entire article, because it directly address bio-identicals HRT.
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full text of study referenced at: http://www.holtorfmed.com/nss-folder/pdf/BHRT-PGM-2009.pdf
New Study Reveals Bioidentical Hormone Replacement Therapy Reduces Breast Cancer Risk Compared to Standard HRT
Torrance, CA February 9, 2009 -- Bioidentical hormone replacement therapy is both more effective and has greater health benefits for women suffering with symptoms of menopause than hormone replacement therapy with synthetic hormones. Synthetic forms of hormone replacement therapy prescribe substances such as Premarin, Provera and Prempro and present real health risks with increased risks of breast cancer, stroke and heart attack. The most comprehensive analysis to date, published in the Postgraduate Medical Journal, a leading peer-reviewed publication for practicing clinicians, showed that bioidentical hormones are associated with reduced health risks and are more efficacious than their synthetic counterparts. Conducted by a leading expert in hormone replacement, Kent Holtorf, M.D., medical director of the Holtorf Medical Group Center for Hormone Imbalance, Hypothyroidism and Fatigue, in Torrance, California (http://www.holtorfmed.com/), the paper reviewed and evaluated results from more than 200 physiological and clinical studies.
"A thorough review of the medical literature clearly supports the claim that bioidentical hormones have some distinctly different, often opposite, physiological effects to those of their synthetic hormones," said Dr. Holtorf, whose practice treats more than 7,000 patients each year. "The medical literature demonstrates that bioidentical hormone replacement therapy is highly effective and carries a reduced, rather than an increased, risk of breast cancer and cardiovascular disease."
The review also showed that patients undergoing bioidentical HRT were less likely to experience sleep problems, anxiety, depression and cognitive effects - common side effects of synthetic hormones and are associated with a reduced risk for breast cancer and superior cardiovascular protection.
"While larger, randomized clinical studies are needed, the review of current medical literature demonstrates that bioidentical hormones are a safer, highly effective option for women, and any physician that is practicing evidence-based medicine should be using bioidentical hormone replacement for their patients," said Dr. Holtorf.
Synthetic HRT preparations, which are the most commonly prescribed method of HRT in the United States, are comprised of pregnant horse hormones that are not found in the human body or synthetic hormones that have physiologic effects that mimic or mirror the natural estrogen or progesterone effects in the body. In contrast, bioidentical hormone replacement contains molecules that are exact replicas of the endogenous estrogens and progesterone found in the body and, as such, have distinctly different physiological effects than their synthetic counterparts.
Bioidentical hormone replacement typically includes the two estrogens naturally found in a woman's body, estriol and estradiol, along with natural progesterone while the most common synthetic HRT includes Premarin (conjugated equine estrogen, or CEE) and Provera (medroxyprogesterone, or MPA), among others. Awareness of the benefits of bioidentical hormone replacement has been increased with Oprah's series on bioidentical hormones, including a segment with guest Suzanne Somers.
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I still wish someone would explain to me how it is natural and healthy to continue pumping hormones into your body that your body naturally stops producing as you age?
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And for those of you who didn't bother to read the article LJ13 posted, please be aware that Suzanne Somers has had to have a radical hysterectomy because she developed non-invasive uterine cancer since she started pumping all those hormones into herself.
Why on earth would anyone listen to a woman who advocates taking growth hormone?
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Thanks, I think its the use of the work "synthetic" that leads me to some confusion. Some writers naturally use the word synthetic to mean sythesized, which would cover both bioidenticals and andy other fully or partially manufactured hormones. They use terms like "Native" to distinguish whether it is in its naturally occuring form in the human body. I see others call the non-native forms synthetic. Not that I set the terminology, but it seems to me, bioidentical or native is a better description than synthetic, as synthetic speaks to whether its manufactured or not. Premarin wouldn't seem to be synthetic to me, or at least its constituents that have not gone through any synthesis, since its from pregnant mare urine. Its sure non-native though!!! The scientist in me pushes me in the direction of saying how it's made is less important that what it precisely is.
This area sure needs some good research work to be done. And what further amazes me is how the jury is still out on whether the HRT is safe or not. You'd think given the numbers of women that were on it, they'd have a definitive answer. And they still argue about its cost / benefit ratio. Its no wonder that something used by less women, the bioidenticals, lacks a definitive answer as well.
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Maybe someone could explain to me how it is healthy to take drugs that totally block hormones from our body, since they are so important to our well being?
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Answering my question with a question isn't going to cut it, vivre. I'll rephrase my question: Suzanne Somers is 65 years old. If she were really into "natural" ways to good health, she wouldn't even consider HRT, let alone growth hormones. She should have stopped menstruating a good 10-13 years ago if she really believed in the "natural" thing to do. Let's pretend she doesn't have breast cancer. Even then what she has been doing isn't healthy. The fact that she's had an additional bout with cancer (uterine) since her initial bc diagnosis is NOT a good sign that she's doing the right thing for her body. Do you not think it is indicative of exactly how bizarre her recommendations are that she recommends taking human growth hormone?
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the troll is back...we see you truthseeker...changing your name does not hide who you are.
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Whom are you talking to, Lady?
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Better not be me, because I am trying to reason with you ladies out of sincere concern, and I am not a troll nor am I "truthseeker". What is so unreasonable about my questions that you feel it's appropriate to call me a "troll" and accuse me of being someone other than who I am?
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Floridalady - you are out of line, I find some of your posts and others to be SO Judgementally AGAINST everything my oncologist, who is very well respected, female and extremely educated on these matters....
We are all in this cancer world - for no fault of our own.
Can't we discuss these issues, with facts and not name calling?
I also want to add that many women enter menopause without horrific side effects. My mother is 72, not on HR, way more beautiful than Suzanne Sommers (who looked odd to me on Oprah), and really didn't have hot flashes let alone the other dire issues SS talks about. My mother was on HRT briefly - Dr. prescribed it automaticly in the late 1980's. My parents moved to the Netherlands for 2 yrs. due to my fathers work and the doctor there was HORRIFIED that US doctors were into ANY hormone replacement - said it would have serious cancer increases so they did not prescribe it in Europe - this included bioidenticals. Now, perhaps if she had menopause issues, they would have put her on BHR over there, but she went off HRT and never had issues.
I have a non cancer friend who is BRAC1+ and had ovaries out, hyterectomy and a bi-lateral - all prophelactically. She is a size 0,always has been, and does not have the menopause issues or weight gain that SS is warning us all about.
My issue with SS is for those of us, or ME with hormone positive Breast Cancer. IF the general public wants to go on these, go for it, but I think it is really risky for those of us who ALREADY have hormone positive BC.
I was initially interested in this thread to find out more info on BREAST CANCER and bioidenticals, and none of this thread has answered any of my questions - because I don't think BHR fanatics want to discuss hormone positive BC and how it fits into their mantra.
Most of us have NO AGENDA and are truly interested in facts. -
Desdemona, one look at SS would pretty much clinch that she is into NOTHING natural. Where I come from, hair bleach, skin dyes, tanning beds, and plastic surgery are not natural. So what does this reveal. That she is a hypocrite. And not a bright one. Estrogen used to be given as HRT alone. It caused uterine cancer rates to SKYROCKET. So what does SS turn up with ... uterine cancer. And name calling (troll) is one of the hallmarks of an argument devoid of validity. It's called an ad hominem attack for those who are interested.You attempt to discredit the other person's viewpoint by attacking the person, not the person's statements.
If anyone wants to prevent recurrence ... lose the extra weight. Exercise moderately/vigorously at least 45 minutes per day. Eat well, as much natural and organic food as you can afford to. As little processed food as you can. Avoid alcohol. Avoid grilling and charring meat. Avoid non-organic dairy products. Eat lots of fruits and veggies.
Hormone supplements and replacements are unnatural. Menopause is natural. It is what the body needs, when it needs it. Doing unnatural things is the source of many of our problems.
Great post Aprilgirl, thanks for weighing in.
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aprilgirl and LJ13 -
Thank you. I just can't understand the hostility on this thread. LJ13, I saw where someone called you "the Baltimore troll" on another thread under this topic.
I have yet to get anyone to acknowledge that advising women to take human growth hormone is just sheer lunacy. I'm starting to think that certain posters just won't read any articles posted that they think may contradict their belief systems. That's fine, but I believe there are others who really want to read the pros and cons.
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desdemon,
Why do you feel it's you?
April,
You read one thread and decide who judgmental? 80% of people who come into the alternative site start telling us that we stupid etc.... Including Desem and LJ13. Including the troll that comes here very months and destorying informative threads. We who use this site get really tired of consuming our time and trying to "share info" and spend are time arguing with people who do very little research. How is it that we can talk for days and than someone shows up and that thread goes to pot because believe to chose what a doctor told them over reading and researching on their own? We are all looking for answers. If I all wanted to ask our doctor what he thought we would. This thread provens we all don't trust the medical community. I have a wonderfully oncologist. The top in his field. And he's upfront and telling me they really don't know as much as we think we do. They are learning from trial and error. Please no more trials on me. I've done one and paid dearly for it! The error's are progression of disease.
As for what you found useful for this thread. Many are very interested in it. If you see no value that is why this is posted in this area and not under hormone positive thread. They felt "SAVE" to discuss this here. Many of us search deeper believe that we have the right to know what are doctor know and are applying in our lives. Right or Wrong. The medical has proved itself wrong many times.
I will be in the section (alternative) helping my fellow ladies with research long after both of you ladies have moved on. I believe knowledge is power. I have not and will not stop because others don't agree with what is discussed here. No one says you have to agree, but to say we're stupid etc... is not going to make a positive thread. Other should think before they attack. If you attack us we attack back it's that easy. Many have been ran off mostly do to our trolls. I get PM's daily for my knowledge of bc and alternative's. Do either of you? I'm stage IV and been in tx for three years. Three top clinics. Done 9 diff chemos and 44+ tx. I read over 40 books on bc and althernative. I've spoken to over 50+ bc ladies. I think I have a little more insight on what working and what's not.
Flalady
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desdemon,
Why do you feel it's you?
Uh, because you posted it right after I had made a couple of remarks?
You read one thread and decide who judgmental? 80% of people who come into the alternative site start telling us that we stupid etc.... Including Desem and LJ13.
I haven't called ANYONE any names at all, unlike you.
We who use this site get really tired of consuming our time and trying to "share info" and spend are time arguing with people who do very little research.
That is what you presume. I have done a lot of research myself - I read obsessively about breast cancer for at least a year.
No one says you have to agree, but to say we're stupid etc... is not going to make a positive thread. Other should think before they attack. If you attack us we attack back it's that easy.
Yeah, well you need to think before YOU attack. Calling me a troll and accusing me of being someone I'm not is an attack. I never called you, or anyone else on this thread, stupid.
Many have been ran off mostly do to our trolls. I get PM's daily for my knowledge of bc and alternative's. Do either of you? I'm stage IV and been in tx for three years. Three top clinics. Done 9 diff chemos and 44+ tx. I read over 40 books on bc and althernative. I've spoken to over 50+ bc ladies. I think I have a little more insight on what working and what's not.
I am really sorry about the fact that you are stage IV. Truly I am. That is why I never even addressed you directly until you called me a troll. FYI, a troll is not someone who has an opposing view from yours. I'm not trying to run anyone off, but it certainly seems that you are.
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The wonderful people in my life who have helped me do so without tearing others apart.
That is my point.
I have still yet to learn from any of the BHR posts and studies how that affects hormone positive breast cancer, or breast cancer in general and I THOUGHT this was a breast cancer site.
I am proud of you for all you have done to preserve your health and am sure it has not been easy.
I, too am doing so. I have seen a naturopathic doctor , (specializing in cancer) in addition to my amazing medical team. The naturopathic advised me against foods with estrogen (I have been an organic food person ever since I had kids) as well as many many supplements to be taken after I finish chemo. She also advises against BHR by the way. I didn't pursue it with her as I am premenopause - not for long I'm sure, but will cross that bridge if I actually have side effects.
Truly my third grade brownie troop handles topics with less anger. Obivously, this is more emotional, but I really am interested in well tested studies, which is why I have participated in this thread. I find much of what Suzanne Sommers on Oprah and in her books as not the kind of proof I would believe it and I wish Oprah would allow the audience Q and A with Suzanne.
Name calling does nothing for your position. I do not feel welcomed here, as a new "member" to this club by the anger that is presented.
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FloridaLady, please show me where I or anyone else called you stupid.
Otherwise, please stop the trash talk and name-calling. Being Stage 4 does not entitle you to be rude or to spew bs about my or anyone else's activities.
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Well, actually LJ13 I do believe that somewhere in this post you did suggest someone was stupid... and
LJ13 said: "Someone has to balance out some of the loonier statements made on this forum. I'm happy to be the one.
"So you have been insulting - and suggested that only you have the real answers so perhaps you might look over your comments again and see if you are in fact insensative.. You call people loony and suggest that you are the only one who know how business occurs (implication "stupid").. Frankly I don't know why you bother reading alternative med - I believe you are just here to be belligerent. And although you say you are here to help it appears IMO you are here to stroke your own ego.. But that is just my opinion.
Also I believe you suggested that all the people who make up bc.org are conventional medical people - try reading The Healing Consciousness a Doctor's Journey to Healing by Dr. Beth DuPree and she isn't the only "loony" on the board....
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Perhaps it has been buried in this thread, but I do thinks that there has been some concrete info shared. Estrogen for ER+ is controversial--bioidentical is better than the altered form, but we still don't know who it is safe for and under what conditions. Some women might still be willing to try it to relieve symptoms and that is of course their right--hopefully they have exhausted other potentially safer methods first and monitor their estrogen levels.
Progesterone is much better and not the same thing as progestin and there is evidence that it is protective. My oncologist said it used to be used here as a breast cancer treatment and still has merit. It helps balance estrogen in estrogen dominant women and I think can be very useful for many pre-menopausal women including those with breast cancer. For menopausal women it is trickier because while it can balance estrogen levels that are too high--it can also create estrogen if the body thinks it doesn't have enough. How do we know if our levels are too high from a cancer standpoint and when they might also be too low from a menopausal symptoms standpoint? Wish I knew...
I do not think that people are trolls when they come on to this forum to share a different opinion and I welcome a good discussion. But I do have to say that while they might not have called anyone "stupid" -- it would be easier to hear and respect their opinions if they were a little less condescending and more respectful of others.
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Oh Deidre, how you love to twist things.
Loony is not stupid. And smart people often say loony things. So, nice try, but Bzzzzzzt, wrong again.
Suggesting that you don't understand business is not insulting, it's a fact. Sorry that it troubles you, but your own statements reveal your ignorance. And ignorance is not an insult, but merely a description. I myself am ignorant of many things. Nuclear physics, for example. Totally ignorant of that.
I'm not insensitive if I point out that Person A makes false statements, or that there is clinical proof that Person B's statement is pure BS. If you want to take offense, it's your choice. If you want to deal with implications and other mumbo-jumbo, go ahead. Anyone can read anything into anything if they choose to. That's your choice too. You choose to believe I'm here to be belligerant ... that too is your choice. I've explained my intentions already.
I did not say "all the people" who make up bc.org are conventional medical people. I said the site is run by them. Marissa Weiss is the founder and a proponent of conventional medicine. All the "Ask the Expert" forums, each month, are about science-based treatment, diagnosis, etc. Not unproven alternative remedies.Have a look at the Professional Advisory Board ... no naturopaths here: http://www.breastcancer.org/about_us/pab/
You aren't likely to find anyone on that list to advocate any kind of Estrogen for any breast cancer patient. Period. Bioidentical or otherwise.
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One of the people that helps staff and run this site IS Dr. Dupree.. Humm I think you really should go back over your posts.. you are the one who twists things LJ13 and as for business well you have no clue who I am or where I work or what I do for a living do you - and I have no intention of allowing you to know that! You certainly are insensitive! IMO
Also, I have never advocated the use of HRT and until there are more clear facts won't - and my questions and concerns were alway only to progesterone.. and you don't have the answer to that or perhaps you can enlighten us all - because that's what we are here for... Also just an afterthought, but if it is a "fact" that I am ignorant about business you really should look at some of the other "facts" you have quoted here! Best
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I do not think that people are trolls when they come on to this forum to share a different opinion and I welcome a good discussion. But I do have to say that while they might not have called anyone "stupid" -- it would be easier to hear and respect their opinions if they were a little less condescending and more respectful of others.
It's quite condescending to brag about all the "research" you've done as though the person who is opposing your opinion is just a stupid dolt who hasn't bothered to do any research of their own. Do you think that's respectful? Do you think it's respectful to accuse someone of impersonating a poster who was apparently been run out of this area because she dared to disagree with the majority? How about referring to people as trolls? Does that show respect?
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