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Does naturopathic medicine have anything valid to offer to breast cancer patients?  My wife is asking about seeing one about nutrition.  I'm cautious, as I'm not sure how valid or scientific their ideas might be.  What do you think?  This is not meant by her as an exploration of alternatives to conventional treatment, but as a supplement to treatment after chemo is over.  Me, I'm worried about the harm it might do if the person doesn't understand breast cancer properly or is overly speculative and their guess work is wrong.

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  • StaceyR
    StaceyR Member Posts: 136
    edited February 2009

    Timothy,

    you'll probably find a variety of practioners out there, some good, some less knowledgeable.  The ones I've interviewed offered free 15-minute visits before I booked an actual appointment, and I appreciated the opportunity to pre-screen them.   So I can understand your hesitation - I definitely don't want to be anyone's lab rat if they don't know what they're doing.  I'm there to consult and ultimately make my own decisions, not just take their word for it

    The thing I've found is that you can learn a lot on your own.  One of the best books I've bought on this adventure is The Complete Natural Medicine Guide to Breast Cancer.  Even the ND who wrote it doesn't advocate foregoing conventional treatment for alternative therapy.  It is incredibly comprehensive, and I find that everything I pick it up I learn something new that I wasn't ready for before.  I highly recommend it.

    It really depends at what point you're starting from.  Some of the nutrition recommendations might sound like common sense, but you might learn lots of new stuff too.  You're always free to do your own research based on a naturopath's recommendations anyway.  I don't think it can hurt to keep learning more and to explore alternatives.

  • cats_love_me
    cats_love_me Member Posts: 109
    edited February 2009

    i see a naturalpath.  My mom was the one with cancer.  Mom passed away before I actually went and saw one.  Mom could have been helped a lot in my opinion. 

    I believe with the right one, you can get some help.  I will say mine took 5 months to get into see as a new patient.  new patient is a 3 hour exam.  

    I would not forgo conventional treatment.  Do it in addition.  What i have gotten help with is some of the following things.  Digestion issues. With all the chemo, there is a good chance she has some stomach issues.  The naturopath, will test and see if she is deficient in digestive enzymes, flora - like bifidus, acidophilus, etc,    She can also check to see if some levels of choline, manganese, msm, etc are ok.  If things are off then your digestive tract will have some problems digesting foods, even if she is eating the right things.  The farther end of the digestive tract, helps eliminate wastes, so if things aren't working well in that area, then you have some waste build up.   If your having muscle pain issues, lethargy, etc, she can figure out what is going on, whats missing in the body. 

    She will probably look at your cell permeability, detox your different organs, like metal detox, or in general detox after all the chemo.  Look to see if the lymph is moving,   Some problems with minerals involve things like imbalances.  Like if you have too much of certain minerals, they can block the absorption of other things, causing deficiencies in other areas. 

    The initial intake forms were like 10 pages long.  They ask a million and one questions, and its good she does, cause the regular docs just want to treat symptoms, she looks to find out what imbalances are in the body.  Then will vitamins, minerals, homeopathic drops, etc.

    I will say they will have stuff that affect your hormones.  So, if she is er+ or pr+, make that loud and clear.  Make sure to ask if they have any experience working with present or current chemo treatment and what kind of success.   Make sure they feel confident working with your wife. 

    She can check your hormone levels to see if things are high, low, etc.  Before any treatment would be done to affect hormone levels, definitely talk to the onc first and get the opinion.

    She has also helped with my allergies, so much so i've stopped taking 3/4 the dose of my nasal steriods, and other rx nasal sprays, and stopped another pill in addition, not having to use rx drops as much.   

    Best luck, i would get on a waiting list now if its any kind of wait i had.  Its actually been just a long a wait to get my husband in, since last nov, and we still don't have an appointment, which would be a couple months out.  Since the regular appointments are 1 hour long, she only sees 8 people a day, or even less if she sees a new patient (3 hours).  just something to keep in mind.  Of course not all offices are run the same, and make sure to find out how long things are, as that would make a difference in how hard it is to make an appointment. 

    Connie

  • nixieschaos
    nixieschaos Member Posts: 130
    edited February 2009

    I agree not to forgo comvemtional treatment either. I will say this, though...it is critical that she get her body as strong as possible during her chmo. I set out to do just that when I had my lumpectomy, I knew I was in trouble, so after reading about the side effects and immune system challenges that go along with chemo, my goal was to get my immune system as strong as possible. A complete change in diet, and a supplement protocol that actually complemented my chemo quite nicely, I have had NO immune system issues and my other side effects were minimal, I believe, due to my diet and the supplements, and I was on a VERY agressive treatment plan. My docs are baffeled by my healing.

    You know, nutrition is key here...but here is an added benefit to her seeking out a naturopath...She is taking charge of her health and getting some control back. What a boost for her mental wellbeing. I can't tell you how powerful that is. If she is in charge of her health, her mind is going to be so much stronger than if she just let the doctors and traditional medicine dictate her future. Don't take that away from her.Please don't.

    We can analyze the hell out of  what should be commmon sense and miss the boat. There is a place for traditional medicine, but it all too often replaces all of the natural healing methods out there. God gave us amazing minds and bodies and everything on this earth to heal us. Medicine should complement that. It shouldn't replace it.  

    I wish you both well.

    Steph 

  • everyminute
    everyminute Member Posts: 1,805
    edited February 2009

    My oncologist group (as well as sloan kettering) has a natropath/integrative MD right on site.  I met with the one at my group when I started treatment - I did do some, but not much, supplements during chemo and rads but they also gave me some nutritional suggestions (organic milk and cheeses, cruciferous veggies, green tea) and offer meditation and accupuncture (that I didnt do - due to lack of time). 

    I am going back next week - all treatment is over except anti hormonal - I am going to take ALOT of supplements - mushroom, iodine, vit c, fish oil - all with the knowledge of my oncologist (who is who referred me to him in the first place) 

    I also exercise every day - I think that is huge.  I cant remember if you said your wife is/was active or not.  But please push (just a little) for her to at least go for a short walk each day.  It helps so much physically and emotionally.

  • FloridaLady
    FloridaLady Member Posts: 2,155
    edited February 2009

    Find a really good one and go!  This will be a big difference in how she handles treatment.  I have been doing both for two years.  I'm stage iv and work every day. I've had very few side effects.  The key is like with any doctor is to find one you like and is knowledgeable.

    You both should also read everything you can get you hands on about cancer and alternative treatments.  Knowledge is Power!  She will need this while in treatment and to rebuilding her body after treatment. A first good read is "Beating cancer Nutrition- by Patrick Quillin.

    Best wishes to both that her treatment will be gentle but powerful.

    Flalady

  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited February 2009

    tho i would love to see a naturopath and may possibly, i think it is important to be very suspicious of claims and suggestions and research for yourself.  The type of cancer a woman has is unique. 

    I love flax seed and regularly made it part of my diet yet I came to find out it might not be so good for estrogen driven cancers.. I love grapefruit but i found it can interact with some cancer meds.  I would love to take ginseng but found it too is not good for estrogen positive cancers.

    i think there is much we can do to incorporate nutritious foods that help us fight and possibly supplements.. i myself am very cautious.

    I want to say Timothy, that you must be the best supportive husband. I am always happy to read your concerned and loving posts.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2009

    Much of what "naturopaths" recommend is detrimental to conventional treatment.

    If you go, make sure you run the alternative recommendations past the oncologist / radiation oncologist before using them.

  • desdemona222b
    desdemona222b Member Posts: 776
    edited February 2009

    apple  -

    Any other foods that aren't good for ER+ breast cancer.  Why is flaxseed bad?  A few years ago the lignan fanatics were pushing this stuff hard on me - I let this woman convince me to buy a HUGE bottle of flaxseed oil which I never consumed.  I was skeptical about it. 

    Thanks!

  • sarabhealed
    sarabhealed Member Posts: 179
    edited February 2009

    I have done alot of research on flax seeds and all of the most reliable sources encourage its use. I would really like to see why it's bad from a reputable source.  Most sources encourage grinding your own flax seeds apparently if you buy them ground they probably have lost their helpful properties. Ground flax seeds are also good for men's prostate health. Flaxseed oil is fine for women as long as it isn't rancid, but men should avoid it...

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited February 2009

    Check out the Forum -- High Risk Women, and the thread -- Is Flaxseed Bad for BC Survivors.

    My research indicates that flaxseed is highly beneficial for several disorders, incl. high LDL cholesterol, heart disease and diabetes (as well as constipation).  There seems to be a great deal of misunderstanding about it, because flaxseed produces lignans -- which have a chemical similarity to estrogens.  However, because of this resemblance, they appear to fit into estrogen receptors on cells, and thus block estrogen from stimulating cellular activity.  Thus it would seem flaxseed is safe -- and maybe very beneficial -- for e+ bc patients.

    However, there are some studies which indicate that flax (or at least, too much flax) may be detrimental to prostate cancer patients (having to do with alpha-linolenic acid found in flax). 

    I'm e-pos and lack a prostate (!), so I consume a tbsp of ground flaxseed every day. 

  • sarabhealed
    sarabhealed Member Posts: 179
    edited February 2009

    Thanks lindasa! That is confirming of what I have learned as well...although Dr. Michael Murray says ground flaxseed is good for prostate but the oil is controversial... As I also am e-pos and lack a prostate (!) I will happily continue what I believe is a healthy habit..

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