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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2009

    YYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH   HOOOOORRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY
     
    Bush will not be president after todaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
     
    Yeaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh Obama, Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaeeeeeeeehhhhh Martin Luther King Day!!!
     
    Question for today:  Will Obama be revered by history as much as Martin Luther King?
     
    *******************
     
    Just had to register my elation... 
     
    Linora 
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2009

    DH just made an interesting remark.  He said that Obama will not be the first Black American President because he was not descended from a slave.  That is yet to come.

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  • Blundin2005
    Blundin2005 Member Posts: 1,167
    edited January 2009

    Hi all,

    Amazing isn't it?  Words typed that appear on a screen...flat...without dimension....are lifting almost everyone to incredible heights of pure glee.  

    I looked for a place in Rome to share the event with other Americans.  Democrats Abroad organized an event to watch on big screens at a hotel.  It is fully booked over 400 people.  No room left.  There is an gathering afterward near Ostiense and I suspect that this will go into the wee hours of the morning.  The joy is boundless.  The news is covering every nuance and the people here are engaged fully with America's rebirth.

    Tomorrow night we'll be in front of the TV with BBC reporting live.  Two friends are joining my husband and me.  An Italian friend who shared the elation of election night with me and a German friend who is equally ecstatic.  And since it happens that I made home made saurkraut recently, I'm cooking it up with some pork and serving it with Italian red wine made by one of our friends.  

    Best wishes to all.

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  • flyrzfan
    flyrzfan Member Posts: 557
    edited January 2009

    blundin....if i leave now i can make it in time for the festivities. fresh kraut and home made wine? doesnt get any better!

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  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited January 2009

    Linora-  I think in many ways Obama has been as influential and revered as King, through being elected and will continue to solidify his legacy throughout his presidency and beyond. Like the poem: Rosa sat so Martin could walk. Martin marched so Obama could run. Obama ran so children could fly, Obama has cemented his place in history. I don't think anyone needs to debate who is more influential (not that your husband was), because there's enough room for both. I gotta say I find your husband's remark to be racially insensitive. Being descended from slavery doesn't effect the color of his skin. Obama's been called to black, too white, too muslim, the wrong christian church, his name too exotic,  (ad nauseum) to be president. Just because his wife, and not he was a slave descendent didn't make hailing a cab in the rain any easier. Blacks. whether descendants of slavery still had to drink from white fountains, were legally denied rights because of the color of their skin. His parents couldn't have legally married in many states in the country. Prejudice against blacks is still alive and (un)well, although it's improved greatly. Many people, while not overtly prejudice, judge the ability of blacks differently than they do whites. When little kids all over the country look up to Obama, they aren't analyzing from whom he was descended, they are saying, "he looks like me. If he can do it, I can do it." A non white has never been president before. I think your husband's comments miss the point.

    blund-so glad you'll be able to watch. Your mini party sounds wonderful.  Do you feel different being an American abroad since Obama's election?

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2009

    we shall overcome ---

    deep in my heart i do believe that we shall overcome.

    for me, this song has been a constant  throughout my life, from church, marches and rallies, concerts.

    it is an old hymn actually that has inspired many for decades and inspired dr. king to write this most amazing speech:

    "We Shall Overcome" - Martin Luther King, Jr.

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=130J-FdZDtY&feature=related

    albeit we have much work ahead of us, but we did it. the american people have elected as president the living embodiment of what Dr. King stood for and gave his life to.

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  • Blundin2005
    Blundin2005 Member Posts: 1,167
    edited January 2009

    Bonnie--yeh, it will be a good night all the way around. 

    Amy--yes, it's much different since the election of Obama.  As other of my friends said "it's cool to be American again".  Even though there are many who can jump on that statement and twist it in the wind until it turns negative, the fact is that there was a great loss of respect for our country and we could feel it.  You'd be hard pressed to find many expats anywhere that would say otherwise. 

    Many many people around here (almost all that I meet) were as delighted with the outcome of this election as the people who voted.  The people at the post office helped me to get my ballot mailed....almost as though it was their ballot too.

    An example....I had surgery in December and when the anesthesiologist and nurse came to put in the lines before I went into the OR, they checked name, age, birthplace ...."oh, US?  Are you happy for Obama?" they asked.  True.

    Another example....My friends visited from US during the election.  We watched the results on BBC.  They went the next day to Tunisia where they said that the boarder guards 'rolled out the red carpet' for them....Bob was wearing his Obama shirt.  This was a common response almost everywhere.

    I think expectations might be higher than realistically possible given the reality of human nature, politics and the broken world economy. But an expectation that I feel he will not miss to fulfull is that of a decent human being, well educated and with good life experience and a priceless sense of "we" ...he'll rise to this occasion and welcome others to join him.  This alone will be a welcome change.

    One other thing...when I read what you wrote I thought to the people I hired in the 80's and 90's ... people who did not live through the 60's and couldn't even imagine discrimination on that scale.  I was so happy for them that they couldn't.  It was the purpose of the civil rights movement.  Just as women fighting for the right to vote before that.  We can't even imagine today going to jail for voting.  And tomorrow....imagine what tomorrow will bring....with hope....and a lot of elbow greese to get the work done.

     

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2009

    Barack Obama Essay: Martin Luther King Day

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/18/barack-obama-essay-martin-luther-king-day/

    .....That is why the events of this week are not simply about the inauguration of another American president - they are a celebration of our democracy. We have made this inauguration the most open and accessible in our history, with the sole purpose of involving more citizens than ever before. And as we gather on a mall, in our neighborhoods and in our homes to begin our new journey together, we remember that our greatest strength has always been found in one another. ....

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2009

    Well, Amy, I'm gonna defend my husband's remark..as casual and off hand as it was, I don't think he meant anything earthshaking or wanted to steal from Obama's thunder.  It certainly wasn't racist, recognizing that there is a difference between a Black African heritage and an American slave heritage is not racist at all, in fact, it's just the opposite!!!  It recognizes the importance of culture, not genes.  My husband is an ardent Obama supporter.  First, he is not blaming Obama for not being descended from a slave, Obama is a wonderful leader in his own right, whatever the color of his skin.
     
    But there is something about being descended from slavery here, from having that kind of experience in your background, it has been a very serious hurdle in the past, and in some ways it still continues.  Like you said, King marched so Obama could run.  Later on we will have a Black American president whose roots go back to slavery, and we'll say that Obama laid the groundwork for that president yet to be.
     
    Personally, Obama has yet to prove himself and I have more confidence in him than almost any other president since Jack Kennedy, who I am old enough to remember well.  But in my eyes Martin Luther King was a prophet, a saint, a man of immeasurable stature and soul.  Obama has a long way to go.
     
    Amy...shame on you!!!  Here you make the presumption of starting a "respectful" political thread and you start calling people names and throwing around epiphets at the most minor provocation. I can understand wanting to argue, but if you want to argue, you should follow the rules of debate, you should define your terms and be logical in your thinking.  Calling people "racist", using inflammatory language does nothing but raise tempers.  If anybody it was racist it was you, by implying that someone's genetic background is more important than their cultural background.
     
    Take a little of your own advice. 
     
    Linora 
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2009

    One day away! Workers install Shepard Fairey's portrait of President-elect Barack Obama at the National Portrait Gallery in Washington D.C.   WooooooooooooHoooooooooo!

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  • Little-G
    Little-G Member Posts: 647
    edited January 2009

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  • Little-G
    Little-G Member Posts: 647
    edited January 2009

    OK...........I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO freakin excited today and SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Who watched the We Are One concert yesterday???????????????????  I thought of Donna and how lucky she, and everyone else who is over there, are!  WOW  I was blown away with all the people that came together on this.  It was so great to see Barack get up and dance to Stevie!!  How can you not?   I seen Stevie last summer, 3rd row...it was tremendous.  I digress.  Yessterday's concert and that feeling was overwhelming.  You had to think what Bush was thinking.  It was an overwhelming message to get out and let us move on.  Well, incase you can't tell...I am very jazzed this morning.  The time has come!!!!!!!!!!!!!  YAAAAAAAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!  Taking Tracy's line again!! 

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  • Belinda44
    Belinda44 Member Posts: 718
    edited May 2011

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  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited January 2009

    Remember my song from the day before the elections?


    [ANNIE]
    The sun'll come out
    Obama
    Bet your bottom dollar
    That Obama
    There'll be sun!

    Just thinkin' about
    Obama 
    Clears away the cobwebs,
    And the sorrow
    'Til there's none!

    When I'm stuck a day
    That's gray,
    And lonely,
    I just stick out my chin
    And Grin,
    And Say,
    Oh!

    The sun'll come out
    Obama 
    So ya gotta hang on
    'Til Obama
    Come what may
    Obama! !Obama!
    I love ya Obama!
    You're always
    A day
    A way!

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2009

    Linora, the reality is that if Obama were not a state senator, politician and now President Elect, he'd still be Black. That analogy Amy gave about hailing a taxi was on pointe - the ignorant fear that makes folks so afraid of Black men in this country is not totally tied to slavery. HE may not have directly decended from American slaves, but he has a wife who has and is raising daughters who have, too. You gotta know that discfrimination is something he has felt...

    Think about all the folks wo, intially, were saying he was only PART Black. I took that to mean he wasn't "quite as bad" as the FULL Black folks, LOL... 

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2009

    seems bush is done with the pardons, scooter and stevens remain convicted felons. 

     seems jill biden let it slip on a pre-taping of ohrah that he was offered a choice between sos and vp, msm news having a field day....

    .................

    linora, i fail to see your husbands point, although Obama is not a descendant of slaves, he has lived treated like someone who was... thus becoming one and the same.

    actually Obama's mother's family were slave owners. does this diminish the joy and pride all african americans celebrate with Obama's inauguration, i don't think so.

    the story here is, FINALLY we have a man of color in the white house...FINALLY

    beyond that, imo, amy's remark, "I gotta say I find your husband's remark to be racially insensitive." ... is not calling him a racist. maybe i missed something, but i see her comment as one of respectful disagreement.

    .................

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2009

    Felicia,
     
    I appreciate the sensitivity of your comment.  Obama is very important, because he has demonstrated---***unequivocally**---that the idea of racial inequality is nothing but a cultural myth and a fallacy.  The whole concept of racial inequality was created by American white people, it was created by our own culture.
     
    As an anthropologist I met people from all over the world, my fellow students were from South America, Italy, France, Russia, Africa, and we all had one thing in common...our discipline.  We read the same books, we understood the same theories, and in a sense, we lived "outside" our culture. We had a lot to share and learn from one another.  One thing I learned from the African black men that I met was their dignity, intelligence, and cultural largesse, how differently they saw my world!!!...this inner city, black male thing that came from this country was entirely alien to them.  They didn't understand it, and those ignorant folks from the inner cities didn't understand them.
     
    I think Obama learned a lot from his African father; as a child he and his dad didn't communicate well, but as an adult, after his father had died, Obama went to Africa and experienced his father's world, and came to understand how important it was to struggle against human oppression and poverty and the plight of people who live in the Third World.
     
    I don't know if you've read the book "Left to Tell."  It is the best book I've read in a decade.   It was written by a black woman living in Rwanda who was the victim of ethnic cleansing.  It is the most important book I've read in the past decade.   It is a book of courage and incredible moral strength.  I think you should read it. 
     
    Laurap, I think of my husband as one of the politically astute, morally conscious, and socially sensitive people I know, and perhaps I overracted, but I took offense at Amy's remark.  His remark was not racially insensitive, it was culturally sensitive.  There's a difference.  Culture does exist and it is real.  Obama got to where he is because he lived in American white culture and excelled at it...he was a top student at Harvard, he was president of Harvard Law Review, he proved to blacks and whites that he was more than capable.  He achieved kudus that would be the envy of a Kennedy son.  He did not live the life of a Martin Luther King or Thurgood Marshall or Rosa Parks, Malcolm X, Jimmy Hendricks, or any of those folks who came from the heart of American black culture.  Obama is standing on some very big shoulders and he knows it.
     
    Linora 
     
     
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  • LAphoenix
    LAphoenix Member Posts: 452
    edited January 2009

    Had a great time at our neighborhood Double Happiness parade this morning.  Lots of kids, dogs, homeowners, retirees and bohemians.  Yes we did! 

    Everyone's talking about the record-breaking, off-the-charts excitement that this inauguration is inspiring.  Doris Kearns Goodwin and Sally Quinn, who are no spring chickens, have said that there's nothing to compare it to in their experience.  Not even JFK's. 

    Amy, going back to an earlier question: Bush had Hilary Duff and Jo-Jo perform at his last inauguration, among a few others.  Conservatives and the arts aren't exactly a love-and-marriage combination.  Hope Quincy Jones gets his wish and Obama creates a Secy of the Arts position.

    Laura, so cool about the Shepard Fairey poster.  Did you see him on Colbert?  He's a very interesting guy (and very cute too).   

    Shout out to all of you in D.C.  Heard a rumor that all the stores there have sold out of Depends.  Hope you don't need any!

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  • Little-G
    Little-G Member Posts: 647
    edited January 2009

    Hhmm..I posted earlier, or so I thought.  It must not have went thru.  It was about a friend of mine that called me this morning and left a vm saying she was "sick" of all the hype about the Obama presidency.  Wow!!  Really???  She said she just wants this to be over with and the economy get back to normal.  I erased it at that point, and didn't reply.  This has to be one of the most awesome events in our life time!!  I can't imagine the thought of someone saying they wish this was over.  I suppose she thinks a magic wand is going to wave over the nation and she'll wake up in her house with all things "normal" and no effort on her part?  BTW..she voted Bush in...twice!  Also a McCain supporter.  There are those hand full of people out there that naively believe the magic wand will appear.  They are sick of us rejoicing, coming together in a collective thought of hope and also help.  However, it is thru that collective thought and thru helping each other that we will rise above what we have had heaped on us for the last 8 years.  And guess what..those people that just want this "over" are also going to benefit from it.  So..to any of those types...your welcome in advance.  From all of us who do believe, from all of us that do help and will continue to help.  I doubt the little bubble these people live in will be the same, some adjustments will be needed.  I was just surprised to see how naive some people really are.  This is a feeling that needs to keep on going!!!!  So in remembrance of the fight of Martin Luther King Jr. today, and in the hope and support of President Barack Obama tomorrow........... I say YAAAAAAAAAAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

    Free at last!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  No more Bush!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Laughing    Laughing       Laughing          

    Dr. Martin Luther King Jr has an ...        Barack Obama '08

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  • mke
    mke Member Posts: 584
    edited January 2009

    You know, I'm not sure Obama did live like a descendent of slaves by virtue of being black.  He spent a lot of his life in Hawaii and out of the US - life is different there.  However I agree if one is inclined to be prejudiced it is on the basis of the person, not their greatgrandparents status.  We could argue the nuances of this forever.

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  • Belinda44
    Belinda44 Member Posts: 718
    edited May 2011

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2009

    Linora - I am glad that you think highly of your husband and his political sensibilities, I would not want it any other way.

    I am also proud of the fact that agree or disagree we all stand united together ready to help move our great country up, up, up!

    Serene - I have experienced similar questions regularly as I have traveled in Europe the last couple years, I can't wait to go back now...April...

    Donna and Suz - thinking of you, I wish I had made the trip now...

    ..........................

    while we are busy celebrating, newspapers around the world are skewering bush:

     http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Newspapers_around_world_skewer_Bush_on_0119.html

    A Reuters summary of more than a dozen newspapers spanning the globe found an almost universal lugubriousness about the havoc they felt Bush had caused to the world.

    ............. 

    I just got back from cleaning a walking trail close to my house, over twenty people showed up, it was so much fun, everyone very excited about change coming...

    Looking forward to chatting with you lovely ladies manana; the mimosa fixings and some fresh smoked salmon and bagels are going to make me the slooow chatter.

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  • flyrzfan
    flyrzfan Member Posts: 557
    edited January 2009

    Dang Laura ~ why didn't I think of getting some lox/salmon! I have everything else I need including the champagne! Darn, I might have to go back out! Next time, can you give me all your ideas at once so I don't ahve to make multiple trips out? ;)

    I just gotta say.... 

    YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I'll be so glad when the UHAUL pulls away.

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  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited January 2009

    mke- Obama didn't grow up living the inner city  black experience the way many did, in fact, he didn't grow up the way many of us did. How many of us grow up on an exotic island. I doubt all people who had descendents who were slaves lived the same life. What makes one poor family in a neighborhood produce children who go on to get doctorates, the way Michelle and her brother did, and kids  another from the same poor neighborhood with similar family circumstances grow up in prison, dropping out of school or underemployed.  To me what matters is that the little kids in the Ron Clarke school see that a person with the same color skin as they have is president of the united states. The mayor of Newark, his name escapes me, talked about seeing a difference in the  school children, who now also talk about wanting to be president.  Every civil rights leader from MLK's son to Maya Angelou to John Lewis to Al Sharpton considers Obama to be black. I think they are better judges than any of us, who are from the caucasian majority. I am so moved by what Obama's presidency means to others, especially older people and children.  Maya Angelou once said that (metaphorically) Bill Clinton was the first black president, because he had favorable policies to blacks and others who were disenfranchised.

    Serene- I know the story you're referring to. Living in the Northeast part of the country, I have such difficulty understanding how the separate but not really equal proms could have existed for so long. The Jena 6 were only a few years ago. I think this is one small step for one man and one giant leap for the world.  I've seen people from England, Australia, the congo, the grenadines, and South Africa who came for the inauguration interviewed. It makes me proud that we elected someone as well respected in the world, particularly after the last 8 years.

    I just love Michelle too. Maybe after her kids are off to college she'll get into politics. She has the right temprament and I think she's more appealing to most than Hillary who tended to polarize people. Maybe she'll be the first woman president-- if she waits until her kids are in college, 2020 is looking good.

    I really like Malia. She seems like an old soul. Did you guys see her taking pictures during the concert yesterday, as if she wanted to capture everything to show her children and grandchildren. She was the one who said she wanted to do her homework on Lincoln's desk for inspiration. Malia seems like she takes after Barack, personality wise.

    Sasha is adorable. She seems like the family comic. She probably doesn't grasp the enormity of what's happening as much as her older sister, but I bet she's happy about the dog.\

    G- Your friend has yet to be edified. Hopefully you'll rub off on her.

    LAP- Your parade sounds like so much fun. LA has the best parades. What's the parade called that's a satire on the rosebowl parade on new years? My friend took me there one year when I was visiting-- is it the Louie Louie parade or is that something else.

    Tomorrow I'm having: popcorn, pizza, maragaritas and soda. I have to eat something that i can keep away from the cats and type at the same time. Eating is quite challenging with 4 cats climbing all over me. Limes have gotten expensive, like everything else, I might have to make more than one so i use up all the limes LOL.

    flyrz- my cats would be all over bagels and lox, I can't eat that at home.

    Obama is showing so much class having a dinner for McCain. Obama is really a nice person/

    As for the end of the the 8 long years of despair...

    Keith is doing a special comment about why Obama shouldn't let the torturers off  the hook. That'll be interesting, but I fear it will go no where. I'm still mad that Lindy Englund had to go to jail and the people who okayed it had no consequences. Marion Jones went to jail for the same thing as scooter libby, even though she had a 6 month old and Libby had an in with Cheney/Bush.

    Rachel Maddow is still doing lame duck watch tonight. I'm sure she'll talk about Bush's latest questionable pardons of the out of control border agents. He has until 11;59 to let more political allies off the hook and I don't put it past him. I'm glad she's on it.

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2009

    bonnie - i got this wonderful dill and vodka fresh smoked salmon from a client in new york and have been saving it for the inauguration feast... get on a jet plane , plenty to go around...

    the excitement is palapable...tomorrow we all get inaugurated!

    that is so cute what malia said about lincon's desk. i am so thrilled for the obama girls, how much fun will we have watching them grow up in the white house over the next 8 years!

    keith and rachel should be good....

    manana, ladies...i will be the one coming in the room with a big

    yaaaaaaahoooooooooooooo! wooooooooooooooohoooooooooooooooo!

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  • flyrzfan
    flyrzfan Member Posts: 557
    edited January 2009

    oh...if only I could! That sounds DELISH...

    I'm so excited I can't believe it's over! I'm a 100x's more excited for Obama to take over than I was disappointed when GB got re-elected (no, I didn't make the same mistake twice!)

    I'll be looking forward to chatting with others tomorrow as my dp is not really the "excited" type...although maybe if I put a few cold ones in the fridge tonight.... ;)

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2009

    lap - i heard a wonderful interview on npr this morning with Fairey, he said he did the print for his children and the future of the country.  very cool guy...

    tooooooo funny on the depends!

    g - did you see obama singing along to american pie...loved it. fantastic show, i hope they sell it on dvd...

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  • LAphoenix
    LAphoenix Member Posts: 452
    edited January 2009

    Amy, I think you're thinking of the Do-Dah parade.  That's the one with the Shopping Cart Drill Team, et al.  I guess when you live in a balmy climate, you're going to have lots of parades.  And citrus . . . I could have mailed you a lime or two from our tree.  Your cats don't like pizza?     

    Bagels sound yummy.  With anything.

    A DVD of the concert would be great!  They could sell it for charity.  

    Michelle is a class act all the way.  I don't know if she'd want to go into politics--she doesn't seem as ambitious as Hillary--but you never know.      

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  • Little-G
    Little-G Member Posts: 647
    edited January 2009

    Laura...I watched the entire thing and sang along with him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  It was awesome!!  This whole thing is awesome!!!! I wish we were all there with Donna and Suz!!!!!!!!!!  But we are all there in spirit for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

    I should have got some lox too...oh well....I have the champagne!!!!!!!! 

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  • PSK07
    PSK07 Member Posts: 781
    edited January 2009

    Soooo envious of all the people in (the other) Washington. My co-worker's mom and his middle on are there & another son of his as well as his niece took off from their colleges in Atlanta to be there as well.  They went to the concert on Sunday and had a great time. 

    Unfortunately I have to work, but we're having almond croissants and fresh fruit for breakfast while we're watching things on tv. Considering the company I work for, people are pretty giddy over the whole thing. They had the MLK Jr speech on the screen in the cafeteria...we're hoping they do the same for the inauguration.

    time for champagne in the evening with my Tivo recording.

     WooooooooHooooooooo~!  11 1/2 hours to go !!!

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