Positive Obama thread
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Amy, Amy Amy. I got as far as DON'T FEED THE TROLLS. You are so funny. I only posted quotes from Obama. What's the problem with that? He's says he's looking FORWARD. I suggest you get the hatred out of your mind and body..perhaps some meditation would do you some good...because you are filling body, soul and mind with toxins.
You really are funny.
Shirley
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Rocky, I hope it's okay to respond to your post on this thread.
I've heard about the "coming" of the One World Government (via my church, GASP!) for years which = One World Religion. Not a good thing.
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ShirleyHughes wrote:
I suggest you get the hatred out of your mind and body..perhaps some meditation would do you some good...because you are filling body, soul and mind with toxins.
You really are funny.
This is why we ignore the BS.
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Go ahead Shirl, it seems I am being ignored here as well.
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Good morning Obama ladies!! Lot's of great pix posted here! Going thru the comments, I wanted to make a comment myself. It is my opinion that most republicans, or people that lean that way, are fear based people. They are so afraid that if they do not stay in the box, and do as they are told that things will fall apart. It's an unhealthy way to live, but really the past years in the US the government and the media have been targeting the people to live that way. We are so much easier to control when we are afraid. That's a fact of science. If you turn on the news, the TV, the radio, news papers...media in general...the great mass of it is designed to scare you. 9/11 is a great example of where the media and the government used it to their absoloute best advantage to scare us, and in doing that managed to take away many of our rights while we were all to scared to notice. Just go thru the airport today and you'll see what I mean. Wire tapped phones also an example. Racial profiling. Censoring. The list goes on. All in the name of keeping us "safe." Don't get me wrong, I'm from NY and 9/11 was sad. I'm talking about the aftermath. We are no "safer" today than we were before that. We are as safe as each of us walking into a bus today. It can happen. Not likely, but it can still happen. My point is, fear keeps us at the bottom. Afraid to ask questions, afraid to do things that as humans..we should be doing. There is a time and place for fear, but on an everyday basis, not natural and totally unhealthy. Take the "fear" comments with a grain of salt...these are scared people. And possibly that's an ingredient that depending on how much is there..makes either a republican or a democrat. Just my thoughts.
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Laura, love the political cartoons! Too funny!
Okay Amy, I am going to move the TV so I can see it from the puter room--then I can be on chat too. However, I probably won't post much because I'm way too slow. Tried chat before and by the time I made a comment, they were three subjects ahead of me!! LOL
Oh wait a minute. I think by the inauguration my TV and puter will be on the same desk in the living room, so that will make it easy. In any case, I'll be checking in for sure!
Hillary is great! She will be strong and accomplish much. She'll make Condi look like a slacker. LOL
Woooooooooooooohooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!only a few more days.
Then we can stuff Bushy in the circular file!
Sorry Donna, that he's returning to your neck of the woods. I actually think he should share a cell with all his puppetmasters and Osama Bin Laden--or put them all on a tropical island and film a political survivor--what would the prize be?
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Little G -- Fear is also the basis of many religions, e.g. "Fear of God", "God-fearing" etc. If you ever have occasion to travel through the province of Quebec, you'll notice that the Catholic church in each town (with its huge cross on top) is visible from every approach. The church will have been built on the highest ground -- ostensibly to be "closer to God", but actually so that the parish priest can keep his eye on his flock
Fear equals control.
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linda...absolutely...great point! most "organized" religions are based on fear. it's so unhealthy.
the one world religion idea is insane. it makes no sense. so...how would they do that? start war's again until we all conform to one idea? it would all come to the same place we are now. i think if you believe in the bible..follow it. no need to try and control people with it. it's your thing. not everybody's thing. stop advertising it, stop wasting green energy by putting pamphlets on peoples doors. its all madness and a control based, greed issue.
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suz..it would make more sense, yes. i think that book has been translated more times than we can count, and turned around to fit different circumstances and different chruch's. which..makes it all more confusing. why??
btw...i don't expect anyone to be able to answer the "why" .. i don't think its possible.
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Susan, yes, I recall our minister always referring to respect for God, rather than fear of God. Of course, my family attended a very "liberal" protestant church here in Canada..... I cringe whenever I hear evangelicals and others use the "fear" word (I sure hope "fire and brimstone" have gone the way of the dodo!!).
One world religion is as much to be feared as one world government -- good grief, what on earth are those U.N. folks thinking???
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Mad, I am not saying it should happen or would happen ... I am saying that many people would agree that the source of conflict is organized religion. I am Christian. But being Christian doesn't stop people from going to war against each other -- catholics fought catholics. Muslims are still fighting muslims. Catholics fought the Northern Irish and they are Anglican(?). Religion is not as unifying as people would have it. So many people are critical of each other because of differing religions ... hatred of Jews, the Crusades, etc. That's why politicians need to keep religion out of their policies and discussions ... it should be separate.
(edited cuz I can't type/spell without my glasses on)
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Madalyn, thanks for the explanation for the U.N. summit. A lofty goal to be sure, but not a hope in heck of achieving it...
Rock, I couldn't agree with you more about separation of church and state, and also about your statement on the other thread about term limits for politicians. I can't help but think that term limits would go a long way in limiting the power of lobbyists and corporations (such as the pharmas and insurance industry) to influence important legislation. JMO, of course.
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Grace-- I'm really glad! Just free associate in chat if you have trouble keeping up! Since you're in california, I guess you won't be sipping margauritas during the swearing in, LOL, but I will have a few extra sips for you.
I think that Bush used 9/11 to instill fear in Americans, in part, so they wouldn't question what he saw as his supreme authority. Do you remember how the terror threat magically seemed to need to go up every time he started to get into trouble politically? Bush would have never been reelected if not for appealing to the fear in naive people. We stop living when we give into fear, in my opinion. I do think a lot of religion is about fear and condemnation of those who are different. If religions would focus on the love part instead of the fear/hate part, the world would be a better.
Why are we discussing something from the UN from 2000 anyway, LOL.
We have so much to look forward to in the next few days. I am so excited. I was pleasantly surprised to hear Lindsey Graham talking in a bipartisan way in a news conference with Obama and Biden. Most of the republicans seem like they're giving Obama a fair chance (except perhaps the guy who sent out the "barack the magic negro" cd and those who thought it was no big deal). I'm really pleased how the hearings are going, it seems both democrats and republicans want to do away with the bs and go forward with the business of the country.
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OBAMA IS GOING TO REPEAL DADT
OBAMA IS GOING TO REPEAL DADT
OBAMA IS GOING TO REPEAL DADT
OBAMA IS GOING TO REPEAL DADT
OBAMA IS GOING TO REPEAL DADT
Chris Matthews just announced it on Hardball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Marriage is next!
Barack Obama to end US army's 'don't ask, don't tell' policy towards gays
President-Elect Barack Obama will end the "don't ask, don't tell" policy towards gays in the military as part of moves to sweep away remnants of the Bush era.
By Alex Spillius in Washington
Last Updated: 9:34PM GMT 14 Jan 2009
The change of policy on homosexuality will allow gays to serve openly in all branches of the armed forces Photo: REUTERS The move is expected to be among a series of symbolic changes he will push through quickly to stamp his mark on the presidency.
He is also expected to reverse several controversial executive Bush decisions within days of taking office next week.
Mr Obama has committed to closing the US military prison at Guantanamo Bay and will formally ban all interrogative techniques that could be described as torture, such as waterboarding.
It is expected that he will also reverse Mr Bush's orders restricting the distribution of funds for stem cell research and to overseas groups that offer abortion counselling.
The change of policy on homosexuality will allow gays to serve openly in all branches of the armed forces.
Though a timeline was not put on the reversal of the policy, Robert Gibbs, who becomes Mr Obama's press secretary next week, was unequivocal that it would happen.
When questioned about whether the policy would change on the Obama transition website, he wrote: "You don't hear politicians give a one-word answer much. But it's 'Yes'."
Mr Obama opposed the policy during the campaign, but since his election has made statements that gay pressure groups interpreted as lukewarm commitments.
The issue became a distraction in the early days of Bill Clinton's presidency. He tried to push through reform that would have allowed gays and lesbians to serve openly but had to compromise with the "don't ask, don't tell" solution, which has been maintained by the Bush administration.
Although introduced before he came to power, Mr Bush's refusal to change the "don't ask, don't tell" policy angered many in America.
There is now however much wider public support for removing any restrictions on male and female gay personnel. Colin Powell, the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, is among influential figures who have called for the policy to be re-evaluated.
During his campaign Mr Obama often spoke out against what he called Bush's abuse of executive authority.
"I was a constitutional law professor, which means unlike the current president, I actually respect the Constitution," he said in 2007.
Russ Feingold, the Democratic Senator for Wisconsin, a strong critic of Mr Bush's accumulation of executive power, said he had been informed by Mr Obama's transition staff the records of past presidents might also be made more available.
He said the incoming president would support a bill he is proposing to make public some opinions from the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel, which issued some of the most controversial extensions of presidential power in the Bush era.
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'Bout daggone time. This was Clinton's idea, right? I loved Bill dearly, but this was not one of his brightest ideas.
But then again, I'm just an "intellectually inferior" liberal who is being brainwashed by Obama's beauty - what the heck do I know?
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Re: DADT--
I hope, I hope, I hope!
But we were burned by Bill Clinton...
I'm not celebrating yet--very hopeful and excited, but no champagne yet. It's good to hear an unequivocal answer from a press secretary on the topic, but it still has to happen.
Call me over-cautious, but this is too important to me. I don't want to be too happy and get too disappointed.
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I am another intellectually challenged, lovestruck liberal who drools at the sight of Obama, but count my lowly opinion that DADT is waaaayy over-due to be kicked to the curb! Would be a wonderful accomplishment in the next few years!
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Excellent News on DADT!!!!!!!!!!!
Another change coming:
With enthusiastic support from President-elect Barack Obama, the House on Wednesday passed a bill to expand the Children's Health Insurance Program. President Bush twice had vetoed similar legislation.
Mr. Obama will probably be able to sign the bill within days of taking office on Tuesday.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/15/washington/15healthcare.html?hp
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More change coming:
Behind the scenes, Obama's support among Republicans grows
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Behind_scenes_Obamas_support_among_Republicans_0114.html
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Obama dined out last night at the home of George Will with several prominent conservative columnists, including William Kristol and David Brooks of The New York Times and Charles Krauthammer of The Washington Post. Together, some of the columnists at the dinner party have been some of Mr. Obama's severest critics.
Today he met at transition headquarters with members of the liberal media; Washington Post's E.J. Dionne and Eugene Robinson, the Wall Street Journal's Gerry Seib, National Journal's Ron Brownstein, the New York Times Frank Rich and Maureen Dowd, and MSNBC's Rachel Maddow, among others.
Not to be outdone: Bush hosted Limbaugh for private birthday lunch yesterday.»
Limbaugh revealed that he actually traveled to Washington for a private lunch with President Bush at which Bush surprised Limbaugh with a birthday cake.
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woooooooooooohoooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the train is getting ready to leave the station. CHANGE is Coming.
onward and upward!
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okay, i must have missed something on being an intellectually challenged liberal but
count me in!
you betcha!
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Amy, great post and great news. Loved this part:
During his campaign Mr Obama often spoke out against what he called Bush's abuse of executive authority. "I was a constitutional law professor, which means unlike the current president, I actually respect the Constitution," he said in 2007.
Respecting the constitution--what a novel idea!
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Serene wrote:
Re: "intellectual inferior," it's ironic... I first registered Republican (cuz my parents were!) and in college voted for Reagan!!! It wasn't until several years later I went to graduate school--became more educated, open minded, exposed to all sorts of people, religions, ideas--and became a Democrat. Haven't looked back since ; )
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Serene,
I could have written that sentence myself, sort of. I grew up in the midwest and went to college, majored in Business, at Indiana University. My dad was Republican, my mom was Democratic, but the teachers and professors did a great job of selling the Republican bill of goods.
After a few years in the "real world", then law school, I realized I had been quite blind for many years.
The only Republican left in my family is my brother, who is starting to support Obama more and more every day. He and I used to have to avoid all political conversations, but now we can at least agree that Obama's success will be good for all of us. Now THAT'S REAL CHANGE!!!!
Whooohoooooo :-)
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Wow, love all that "change" news, especially the end of DADT! Understand your caution, though, Torch.
Has anybody been to the "Citizens Briefing Book" section of change.gov? You can now not only state your priorities for the new admin, but vote on ones already there. The health care reform suggestions are getting a lot of votes, as are the environmental ones. But anybody can add their own.
Bush gave Rush a birthday bash? We always knew Rush was carrying Bush's water (not to mention his talking points), so I guess a little cake is a fitting reward. Good boy!
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Birthday cake and Bush. Reminds me of Bush and McCain on the day that New Orleans was drowning:
Very fitting.
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donna - too funny...i flashed on the same pic when i read about rush and the b cake.
thanks lap - the citizens briefing link at change.gov, love that kinda stuff... there is so much great info on that site. very interactive, i love it...wish i could do a job app...lol...
i also wish i could go to the concert kick off sunday... no interest in attending but class act, that dinner honoring mccain...
amy - what do you think of the gay episcopal priest from new hampster?? i saw him on rachel tonight and really liked him...
i am really getting excited..
amazing change...how sweet it is!
woooooooooohooooooo! we won....
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I have a question and I thought this would be the best place to ask. If, in anyway, my question comes across as negative please send me a PM and I will remove it.
I'm a big Obama supporter but I'm concerned about the amount of money being spent on the inauguration. Do you think this is a good idea during a recession? Is it something they had to do? I just think he would have come across as an American hero if he would have chosen a less formal celebration and spent money on the necessities only. Do they make any money from attendees to subsidize the cost?
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Renee- All of Obama's inauguration money has came from individual donations, with a cap of $50,000. His inauguration is susbstantially less glitzy and ostentatious than Bushes was. They will probably lose money on teh inauguration and send out emails to recap the cost. They only have 12 balls, which seems like a lot, except it's less than half of what previous modern presidents have. The Balls are the only part of the festivities that cost money and from what I hear, the food and entertainment is akin to that at a high school prom including disposable dishes. I thiink the Obamas are much more down to earth than any president since Carter. The Clintons like the glitz and ritz and the Bushes I and II are so out of touch with what's extravagent and what's barebones it's not even worth discussing. Michelle wears a lot of clothes straight off the rack and has talked about shopping at JCREW online.
laura- I've been following Gene Robinson's career since he was elevated to Bishop. He is a profile in courage and inspiration.
serene- rest assured, we don't need to worry about bumping into any repugs at mensa meetings. Liberal is open minded and free thinking and an understanding of the grays on the spectrum of black and white. Conservative is one dimmensional, rudimentary seeing black and white, right and wrong. The world is far more complicated than that.
What do you guys think of the fake list Bush has sent out about terrorist attacks he fantasizes about having stopped? I think it's such BS. They're talking about people who may have discussed what they wanted to do, but had no serious plans or plots. The guys they're trying in NJ practiced target shooting talked a lot, but they were basically a bunch of people who were all talk. Once again Bush is trying to create his own reality with his exit tour of deception. 8:00 tonight, we'll be tortured with his "don't let the door hit your ass on the way out" speech. It better not interfere with Grey's Anatomy.
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The good news is that this will be the VERY LAST TIME Bush Jr. will take over the airwaves to give us the world as he knows it. This is it, dear friends! He will soon be out of here! Whoo-Hooo!
Not that I won't be a bit miffed if it runs into CSI, but that this is the last time we'll have to see his mug on the major networks at the same time for longer than a few "Bush sighting" seconds, I can suck it up...
But again, I'm just an intellectually inferior liberal, what the heck do I know?
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