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  • audreynyc
    audreynyc Member Posts: 21
    edited November 2008

    HELP! My onc told me to get a 2nd opinion while the FISH and Oncotype DX tests are done (will take 3 weeks). I'm triple positive (strongly for all three) but stage 1, grade 1, <cm. I'm in my late 30s, so I'm assuming the treatment will be more aggressive. Onc. said she might suggest taxol, herceptin, radiation, tamoxifen. Do I really need chemo??? I'm terrified. I don't think I'll be able to stay at my job.

  • swimangel72
    swimangel72 Member Posts: 1,989
    edited November 2008

    Hi Audrey - I'm so sorry you're terrified, but try to remain calm. My pathology is very similar to yours - stage 1, grade 1, .9cm - difference is I was 53 and post-menopausal when dx'd last January. My Oncotype DX score was 22 (intermediate) and at first, before my Fish results came in, my onc thought I could just get by on Arimidex. He was really shocked when my Fish report came back Her2+++ so he sent it out for a second opinion - the second one came back even higher at Her2++++! Surprised 

    I was more depressed about having to get chemo than I was when I had the mastectomy. I opted for the mastectomy because I didn't want to deal with radiation and I wanted to treat this tumor as aggressively as possible. However my chemo tx was less aggressive than my surgical tx - my oncologist consulted with a group and said I would benefit from Herceptin given with a "light" chemo drug - Navelbine. It doesn't damage your heart - it didn't cause much hair loss - and the only bad side effect was diarrhea on the day of my infusion. I had two other oncologists give me the same opinion - that because my tumor was less than a centimeter and a Grade 1, the Herceptin would reduce my recurrence by 50% as long as it was given with ANY chemo. That said -  as similar as our dx's are - because of your young age Audrey, you need to follow your onc's advice. Maybe your Oncotype DX score will come in very low - and you won't need chemo after all. Just take it one day at a time - try not to anticipate problems that might never occur - and you'll be fine. Many women have gone through chemo and radiation and have continued working - I was so happy to return to work! It takes my mind off my health - makes my life feel more "normal" - and I truly love my job! So hang in there  and if you need any other questions answered, or if you just need a hug, just start a new thread and the wonderful women here will surround you with stories, inspiration, insights and love!

  • mattscot
    mattscot Member Posts: 69
    edited November 2008

    hi audrey

    I am triple positive as well...  before my FISH came back positive ... doctors were referring to the possibliity of my not having to do chemo...so I did feel upset when I was told that was the protocol  

    I am having my FISH redone as well since its on the lower side 2.3 and  am waiting on the Oncotype -- I am in the midst of opinions right now as well-- my invasive tumour is larger than yours so falls into a different category of treatment.  It is clear that Herceptin is key (I have heard they are doing studies treating HER - cancers with Herceptin)  Herceptin works better with chemo -- .  I have also been told that Taxol works well with Herceptin and that it is "doable" esp. the weekly dose --and you will be able to work.

    From being on the board it appears that this may be the preferred approach for the smaller HER+ tumours --

    I have been told I need the 2 mos AC with H and then 12 weeks Taxol plus H -- Lots of issues with AC -- I am planning on working... .    Anyway get a 2nd opinion research and feel comfortable with your decision..

  • Mocity
    Mocity Member Posts: 451
    edited November 2008

    I think they will say chemo.  I had a bi-lateral for DCIS and they found IDC, small tumor .4cm and triple positive... nodes clear.  I just started chemo+ Herceptin.  They will be aggressive because of your age (I am 37), early diagnosis and HER2.  Herceptin is typically only given with chemo.  I was/am terrified too.  You will get through it.  I am taking Taxol/Herceptin weekly for 12 weeks and then keep the Herceptin every 3 weeks for a year.They didn't even do a Oncotype on me because he said ir would for sure come back high risk because of my age and Her2+ status.

  • mattscot
    mattscot Member Posts: 69
    edited November 2008

    I had the tables turned on me a bit when I got back my Oncotype score of 16 with a Her- determination  (this is contra to the FISH of 2.3) There is a good chance that the Oncotype is right (pretty unusual for a pleomorphic invasive lobular to be Her+)  I am still doing chemo and the Herceptin ... but it went down a notch  to Taxotere, Cytoxin and Herceptin every 3 weeks 4x  (with Herceptin for a year)  ... Now that Oncotype tests Her2... especially if its close to borderline  it makes sense to have it done...

  • amask
    amask Member Posts: 6
    edited December 2008

    Hey, nice to have company.  I am triple + as well, and got a shocking stge IV dx last January after a 9 year remission from stage !.  I am so grateful for Herceptin!  I had lung mets too numerous to count as well as some bone spots, and lymph nodes.  After 4 months of weekly Navelbine and Herceptin, we switched to Herceptin plus Lupern shots and Aromisin.  I have maintained stable disease so far (one lung nodule and a few bone spots) and feel so much better on this protocol.  I am hoping that Herceptin and endocrine tx hold my disease until there is a real cure!

  • jgallo
    jgallo Member Posts: 18
    edited December 2008

    Kimberly I have the same diganosis node negative ER/PR + HER +. The ER/PR + is a good thing because we respond well to hormone therapy.

  • jgallo
    jgallo Member Posts: 18
    edited December 2008

    Audreynyc,

     I have a similar diagnosis got 3 onc opinions and am only doing Taxol and Herceptin. I had a double mast by choice I was told by Sloan that I could get by with homone only but opted to join this trial. Very little information with small tumors and node negative HER 2+. Better to be safe than sorry. Good luck Happy Holidays 

  • REKoz
    REKoz Member Posts: 590
    edited January 2009

    Hi,

    I'm Ellen and I am thrilled to have found this board. With all the specifics and individual bc characteristics, I feel this triple positive group is as close as I'll get to similar experiences. Background: Routine mammo 9/28, IDC (approx) 1cm with extensive (DCIS). This took up one full quadrant and in 2 others, each had a "pappiloma'-non cancerous but had to come out. Being small chested, lumpectomy not an option. Opted for bi-lateral mastectomy with immediate expander reconstruction). This happened the year I "officially" entered menopause (now age 53) and with many more hormonal changes to come, this decision was most comfortable for me.  Less than a week after Nov.10 surgery, developed a NASTY infection (from overfill IMO) followed by 12 days IV Vancomyacin. The scabbing was awful and I just went through scar revision for a thin, clean scar line. Section of stitching popped and was redone, requiring another week of waiting (and antibiotics, fungal side effects!) ANYWAY, if all looks well on Monday, I'll get the OK to start the carbo-taxotere doxsomething and herception 12 weekly then herception every 3 for a year. Due to my infection history, he (my GREAT oncologist) changed from a 3 week protocol to weekly. Just wondering how you all faired on one or the other regiman? Weekly or every 3. Seems to be a differing of opinion. I thought a lesser dose weekly might be easier for me to return to work?

  • mich1224
    mich1224 Member Posts: 35
    edited January 2009

    I just found the posts regarding triple +. I am triple +.  I have IDC, Stage 1, 4mm, ER 90%, PR 90% and HER2 2.3. I am scheduled for bilateral mast w/recon next month.  My breast surgeon has not mentioned meds for after the mast or anything like that. Is that discussion something they bring up AFTER you have surgery? Should I ask her about that beforehand? Guess I figured with the mast I wouldn't have to worry so much anymore.

  • Mocity
    Mocity Member Posts: 451
    edited January 2009

    Mich1224,

    Ask now... ask as many questions as you can think of.  I had a bi-lateral mastectomy on 9/16/08.  I had DCIS in the left breast (non-invasive, stage 0).  I thought I would be done.  After my surgery the pathology came back showing my nodes were clear but there waws a very small IDC of .4cm.  Now I am doing chemo, Herceptin for a year (because of HER2+) and then tamoxofin.

  • Mocity
    Mocity Member Posts: 451
    edited January 2009

    REKoz,

    I am doing weekly Taxol+Herceptin and then Herceptin every 3 weeks for a year.  I get #10 out of 12 tomorrow.  I thought the weekly would be easier too and BOY it hit me after week #6,.  Maybe it is easier but I am having quite the time now.  I feel horrible.  Anyway, everyone is different so who knows.  My Onc told me TYPICALLY the weekly is easier on you as far as side effects go.  I am working full time and have only missed my treatment days; however, now, it is getting much tougher.  I am having nail and skin issues along with being so tired and feel like i have the flu.  Anyway, so I don't know how much difference there really is.  I am sure I could have it worse but right now it seems bad.  GOOD LUCK

  • mich1224
    mich1224 Member Posts: 35
    edited January 2009

    Thanks for the info.  Guess I thought I would be done once surgery was done. Maybe not.  They'll be checking the lymph nodes during surgery, but dr is hopefull they won't find anything.  Good luck to you.  Hang in there.

  • Mocity
    Mocity Member Posts: 451
    edited January 2009

    Hi Mich1224,

    If I can help with any questions about surgery please let me know. Honestly, compared to chemo, that wasn't that bad for me.  I have expanders in now and will have the exchange surgery in April.

    I am guessing at the very least you will take Herceptin for a year since you are HER2+.  Unfortunately they typically give it with chemo.  My nodes were clear in surgery but unfortunately the IDC can also travel through your bloodstream.  My tumor was very small but the chemo is "just in case" something got away somewhere.  IDC + HER2 means it can be aggresive.  Then, they typically want you to be on another drug (hormone therapy) to supress the ER and PR since we are + for those.  I am also 37 (which they consider) an early diagnosis so another reason they want to be aggressive.

    Ask your Onc what the follow up treatment will be whether you are node positive or negative.  There are lists of questions to ask on this website and on Komen if you want some guidance.

    GOOD LUCK TO YOU!

  • Soccermom4force
    Soccermom4force Member Posts: 631
    edited January 2009

    Triple+,Stage 2B and 4 years out of bilat masts yesterday!!!!! wooohoooie, y'all may know me from Her2 support...always,Soccermom

    Hugs,Marcia

  • Patye
    Patye Member Posts: 7
    edited January 2009

    I am triple pos too.

  • ipursuit
    ipursuit Member Posts: 45
    edited February 2009

    Hi Ladies,

    I discovered I was triple pos too last Friday - after final path report came thru on my double mastectomy. 

     Having researched thru the wazoo, Mich1224, it may seem overwhelming to do chemo, but the HER2+ is a nasty business, and it is the kind that over the years has caused women diagnosed at a very early stage (such as you) to have deadly recurrences.  Before Drs could id the HER2+ overexpression, they were always puzzled by why some % of beginning stage cancers ended up deadly. 

    Having caught it at this early stage, Herceptin and chemo will practically guarantee you no further worries about this.  Better to do the chemo and Herceptin and thank God for modern medicine.  Then you will be able to sleep nights....

    all the best, E

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